Changing World Tech (Turkey parts to oil) now selling 100-200 barrels/day

[suziedemocrat]

Check it out - seems they are making (slow) progress.

http://pesn.com/2005/09/22/9600173_Turkey_Waste_to_Oil/

Sept. 22, 2005
CARTHAGE, MISSOURI, USA – Renewable Environmental Solutions LLC (RES) announced in May that its first commercial plant is selling an equivalent of crude oil No. 4, produced from agricultural waste products. The Carthage, Missouri, plant is currently producing 100-200 barrels of oil per day utilizing by-products from an adjacent turkey processing facility.

RES is a joint venture of Changing World Technologies, Inc. and ConAgra Foods, Inc. established in 2000 as the exclusive vehicle for processing agricultural waste material utilizing CWT’s Thermal Conversion Process technology, throughout the world.

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"Until now our focus has been on completing commissioning of the plant, but now that we are selling oil commercially, our focus is shifting to what we can do with the TCP technology in the bigger global picture,” says P.J. Samson, President of RES.

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The process entails five steps:

1. Pulping and slurrying the organic feed with water.
2. Heating the slurry under pressure to the desired temperature.
3. Flashing the slurry to a lower pressure to separate the mixture.
4. Heating the slurry again (coking) to drive off water and produce light hydrocarbons.
5. Separating the end products. (oil, natural gas, liquid and solid fertilizer, and solid carbon)

TCP is more than 80% energy efficient. In addition, it generates its own energy to power the plant, and uses the steam naturally created by the process to heat incoming feedstock, In addition, TCP produces no emissions and no secondary hazardous waste streams.

[Kelvin Mace]

1. This will have to be stopped

we can't have this kind of thing depriving poor oil companies of the revenue from even a single barrel of oil.

[HereSince1628]

3. As long as it remains an insignificant amount it can be ignored.

I'll be in an undisclosed location. If you REALLY need me, please know I'll ignore you.

[jilln]

2. I wouldn't call making oil out of living beings progress.

[suziedemocrat]

4. True - but this process works for almost all waste; trash, sewage, etc.

They started with waste from a Butterball turkey plant. It is a good way to deal with bovine waste because it destroys the pathogens that cause Mad Cow.

[jilln]

6. a better way to deal with "bovine waste"

would be NOT TO CREATE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE

[suziedemocrat]

8. Look - I've been a vegetarian since 1986 - but the U.S. is NOT vegetarian.

In the real world, this process is a good thing. You can tell everyone to stop eating meat until you die, but people will eat what they feel like eating. This is a better way to deal with the waste from the meat industry.

[NNadir]

5. This plant bleeds money and has been an environmental disaster.

http://www.mindfully.org/Air/2005/Changing-World-Technologies12apr05.htm

[amandabeech]

7. It smells like a rendering plant, which it may replace.

Disposing of animal carcasses is never pleasant.

This technology produces different products than rendering. Instead of basics for chemicals, waxes and soaps, and protein meal, it produces carbon, some diesel, ammonia and a calcium-heavy fertilizer. The technology also uses the blood of the animals, which rendering generally does not.

CWT also claims that the combination of heat and pressure breaks up carbon-containing molecules into either constituent elements or less harmful substances, hence the interest in Europe where recycling the protein from animal carcasses is forbidden. Frankly, I was surprised that it started with turkeys instead of cattle.

I see this as a recycling technology rather than an oil-generating technology. I am particularly interested in its use for extracting phosphorus from waste streams. U.S. phosphorus deposits are only expected to last another 75 years and phosphorus is a key fertilizer component. In 75 years, we may no longer have the means to transport large amounts of phosphorus from Morocco or the Middle East to our shores.

[jpak]

10. You mean US uranium enrichment plants in KY and OH

or the defunct spent fuel reprocessing plant in NY????

[NNadir]

11. No, I mean like the city of New Orleans, destroyed by fossil fuel

apologists.

They're still crying by the way over the loss of their precious oil platforms.

This turkey plant is a turkey promoted by the unscrupulous for the exploitation of the gullible. It's pretty tired phenomena, cackling loudly over next to nothing in a big scam energized by wishful thinking and hype.

The big money losing plant is producing 200 barrels a day of fuel. US oil imports - encouraged by the "we don't give a shit about global climate change because we're ignorant radiation paranoids" crowd - amount to 7.8 million barrels per day. Of course, this calculation would probably break down when one considered the cost of raising turkeys, transporting them, killing them, draining them, and heating them to high enough temperatures to generate syn gas from them.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/usa.html

Now, I know that to be a member of Greenpeace you have to be either completely ignorant of numbers or else be incapable of comprehending what they mean, but I'll do it any way, division.

200/7800000 = 2.6 X 10^-5. This completely typical and normally telling figure from the "magic will save us crowd." Take some completely ridiculous figure and trump it up and carry on endlessly and stupidly about it. It would take 39,000 of these plants just to address oil imports.

Although Greenpeace has a fair sized membership, I suspect there are still not enough turkeys to fuel them.

Certainly in any case what the world needs now is not more energy turkeys. A turkey is a turkey is a turkey and all fossil fuel apologists, whether they be members of Greenpeace or members of the Bush administration are turkeys. What we need is people who can think.

[jpak]

12. LOL!!!!

The rest of the nut-jobs attributed the destruction of NOLA to gays, infidels or the wrath of an angry Flying Spaghetti Monster or whatever...

That "turkey plant" produces valuable products from offal that would otherwise be landfilled.

At the current price of oil, those "losses" will soon be replaced by "profits".

Furthermore, anyone that has lived near any type of rendering plant knows they stink. The human nose can detect reduced sulfur compounds at part-per-trillion concentrations - it may be a nuisance but it is not an "environmental disaster".

Finally , If you REALLY want to wax indignant about "(energy) promoted by the unscrupulous for the exploitation of the gullible", just look what the Cheney administration did for the moribund US nuclear power industry in the so-called "Energy Bill"...

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

:rofl:

[suziedemocrat]

13. You're missing the point of this. This is oil from existing waste!

This makes oil from waste. No Turkeys are raised to make oil. This is processing existing waste. Even if this plant did not exist, the turkey waste would still be there. It is waste from a Butterball turkey plant.

If you convert all the waste generated in the U.S. every year, including sewage - this becomes much more promising. Plus - the oil is separated from the carbon, so the oil/gas from this would not produce as much carbon dioxide.


Sometimes I don't like to post good news here because it seems people only want to hear bad news. And there is plenty of bad news to keep those people satisfied. But, there are some good things happening too.


This is a project that is more hopeful than you are willing to admit. They had a terrible construction contractor that cost them time and money. Maybe this will end up being not worth it - but it seems worth trying. This is their first plant and I'm sure they are learning a lot of lessons. They still are testing how engines work with the oil, gas, from this plant. Time will tell if this is a good thing or not, but to dismiss it out of hand seem disingenuous.

[phantom power]

14. I was interested in the tax-credit angle.

They were planning on a $1/gal tax credit for being bio-diesel, but their process fell outside the biodiesel definition. I wonder if there's some well-founded reason they aren't considered biodiesel? Is there a major difference between their process and other biodiesel processes?

That's quite a tax-credit. More than half the price of a barrel.

[suziedemocrat]

15. My guess, not enough people (like farmers) can make $ from this.

Farmers would benefit from the bio-diesel bill as it is currently written. But since this just converts existing waste to oil and other things, it doesn't really create as many jobs, income, etc.

[AZCat]

9. Ah - the beginnings of "Soylent Oil"

Good ol' Charlton Heston wasn't far off the mark, but the end product won't be food - it will be fuel.

From now on, when I fill up my car I'm going to shriek "it's made of people!"




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