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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-11 10:24 AM
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China to ban incandescent light bulbs


"China will phase out power-draining light bulbs within five years in a move to make the world’s biggest polluting nation more efficient but also certain to impact the global market.

China will ban imports and sales of 100-watt-and-higher incandescent bulbs from Oct. 1, 2012, in an attempt to save energy and curb climate change, China’s main planning agency said Friday.

Bans will also be imposed on 60-watt-and-higher bulbs from Oct. 1, 2014 and 15-watt-and-higher old-style bulbs from Oct. 1, 2016. The time frame of the last step may be adjusted according to an evaluation in September 2016, the National Development and Reform Commission statement said."

http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/11/04/361209/china-to-phase-out-incandescent-lightbulbs/
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Firebrand Gary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-11 10:26 AM
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1. That is a mega shift in attacking climate change. Way to go China!
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Howler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-11 10:31 AM
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2. I really hope the U.S doesnt totally ban
ncandescent light bulbs.
We use three of them outside in our cat houses for the strays. It keeps the inside of the houses warm along with the kennal heaters for those little guys.The winters here in Ohio get pretty cold and they don't have anywhere else to go.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-11 10:34 AM
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3. There would probably be a market for inexpensive, low-wattage infrared bulbs
for those kinds of applications.

Whatever will kids use for Easy-Bake Ovens?
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Howler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-11 10:58 AM
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5. I don't know if low wattage will work. we use 75 watt bulbs.
They really do keep the inside of those cat houses pretty warm.
We have switched out the incandescent bulbs in our house and use the green bulbs in all our lights inside.
But we will continue to use the incandescent bulbs in the cat houses.


Hey wtmusic I remember the easy bake ovens!!!!LOL! That was the first time I burnt myself cooking.Seems it was the beginning of a long tradition that.snort.


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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-11 04:29 PM
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11. Something was nagging my memory
then I remembered my daughter had a gecko for awhile, and they sell "basking" lights for reptiles which go up to 150w and above. They might be a good choice for your cats - they make a lot more heat than light (animals sleep better)

http://gobstock.com/643.html

Yes those Easy Bakes were an introduction to getting burned, probably some educational value there (they sure didn't bake very well...)
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Howler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-11 06:18 PM
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12. You know wtmusic.
I talked to our vet about useing reptile lights out there but A. They are not meant for outdoor and use in the weather.
And B. They are actually way to hot for the cats....But I suppose that could be a problem solver all on its own LOL!:hi:

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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-11 12:28 PM
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7. What wattage do you use?
CFLs do produce heat, you know. It is just that the ratio of heat-to-illumination is lower. A 100 watt equivalent CFL will use between 23-26 watts, and 3 of them would produce about the same heat as a 75 watt incandescent. The CFLs would also last much longer in that application than incandescents.

Heat lamps are also available and I know of no plans to phase those out.

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=heat+lamp+bulb&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&channel=suggest
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Howler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-11 06:26 PM
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14. We don't have enough plugs for three Cfls per house
To equal the heat of one 75 watt bulb.
However some of those 120 watt single bulb heat lamps look pretty effective however we would have to change the fixture.BUT! LOL! That most definitely is something if they phase out the 75 watt bulbs! Thank you kristopher!I bookmarked the link.:hug:
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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-11 02:13 PM
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10. That is the sweetest thing I've read on DU all week!
Thank you for taking care of the strays, at least in some small way.
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Howler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-11 06:20 PM
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13. I'm not the only one here in SouthPark (Dayton)
Who takes care of the strays there are a least two other ladies in the neighborhood that I know of.
We sometimes trade war stories. LOL!
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-11 10:38 AM
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4. China's energy policy has been rationed for years...
demand is continuously outstripping supply. They've been big on LED lighting for years, so I don't see this as being anything but an incremental savings. It will, of course, impact this country and I suspect that the cost of incandescents are going to increase substantially as the availability of bulb manufacturers gets rapidly reduced.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-11 12:32 PM
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8. We are phasing them out also.
Wee the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007

Here is more about what is happening around the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-out_of_incandescent_light_bulbs
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lighthouse10 Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-11 11:48 AM
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6. Profit motivated ban with token energy savings
Edited on Fri Nov-04-11 11:49 AM by lighthouse10
Much more profits for China-made CFLs and LEDs that way...

About the industrial politics behind banning simple incandescent light
bulbs, with copies of documentat­ion and references http://ceolas.net/#li1ax

Besides, as for "great savings",
less than 1% of overall energy use, and 1-2% grid electricity is saved from banning the bulbs, as shown by Dept of Energy and other official information
http://ceolas.net/#li171x
with alternative and meaningful ways to save energy in generation, distribution or consumption

Regulation informatio­n links, and updates on repeal ban bills in 7 US
states (legislate­d Texas) http://freedomlightbulb.blogspot.com
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-11 12:48 PM
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9. That website is crackpot horsehockey
What is "Dr" Thornes specialty? It certainly isn't public policy. The first comment on that page is:
"Energy Use: Why Regulate It?
In using energy, efficiency is best achieved by the stimulation of competition, rather than by regulatory restrictions on services and products, which tend to backfire, taxation then being preferable.
Moreover, future energy availability does not warrant choice restrictions for paying consumers, and any shortage of an energy source raises its price, reduces its use, and increases the use anyway of alternative energy sources and of energy saving products - without any regulations."


The US policy is a perfect example of what he prescribes. There is no "ban" or restriction on any specific technology. Rather, there is a socially desirable goal that the government is setting; reduced energy consumption withing all sectors - including lighting. While we all know that incandescents can't achieve the goal, since it is undeniable that any technology can compete to meet that goal this paragraph by the good "Dr." is proof certain that the guy isn't a legitimate source of information.

Did you note the link in the top left corner? related blog: Freedom Light Bulb ?

This is nothing but right-wing claptrap designed to stir TeaBagger types up against those damned hippy communist tree-hugging environmentalists that want to take away our freedumbs.

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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-11 12:50 AM
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15. I hope all good conservatives buy their freedom lights!
And proudly waste more of their dwindling discretionary income on inefficient lighting. The market is moving away from incandescents, but they'll still be available from sources that can gouge certain segments of the American public who are susceptible to con artists who know how to market to marks. Expect to see Freedom bulbs underwriting Glen Beck soon.
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