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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 06:47 PM
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Why *not* just go with an "all of the above" approach to energy?
Edited on Wed Nov-23-11 07:12 PM by kristopher
Because centralized generation - including nuclear - and distributed renewable generation are fundamentally different approaches to the way energy is provided to the consumer. The fossil fuel system is centralized. Renewables are distributed. I hope that what follows helps make clear the distinction.

Section one
Nuclear plans threaten UK's part in renewables revolution, expert warns
Prof John Schellnhuber says UK is not fit to take part in 'third industrial revolution' of switch to clean energy

Damian Carrington and Hanna Gersmann guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 15 November 2011 07.06 EST

The UK's "eccentric" determination to build new nuclear power means it is not fit to take part in the "third industrial revolution" of switching to clean renewable energy, according to one of the world's most influential climate scientists.

Prof John Schellnhuber, the current adviser to the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, and previous adviser the president of the European commission and other governments, said the UK was missing out owing to its failure to replicate the successful use of feed-in-tariffs (Fits) to kickstart its renewables industry.

Schellnhuber also said that the world's energy system could be transformed to a cleaner and cheaper renewable model for the same expenditure already paid out in subsidies to the fossil fuel industry.

In 2010, $409bn was given to the oil, gas and coal industry as subsidy, with just $66bn going to green energy.

In an interview with the Guardian, Schellnhuber, who heads the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research in Germany, said....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/nov/15/nuclear-renewables-schellnhuber


Further on, Schellnhuber makes a point similar to one I pressed here yesterday - that a grand international agreement to limit emissions was not expected to be accomplished, but nonetheless the policies of individual nations that have been driving economic activity on the renewable front have lowered the costs, and that the circumstances leave him "confident that the energy transformation was underway".



Section two
This study confirms the problem with trying to co-develop these two fundamentally different approach to power production:

Systems for Change: Nuclear power vs. Energy Efficiency + Renewables?
by Antony Froggatt with Mycle Schneider

The full document available with this link:
http://boell.org/downloads/HBS-Frogatt_web.pdf

conclusions
...From a systemic point of view the nuclear and energy efficiency+renewable energy approaches clearly mutually exclude each other, not only in investment terms. This is becoming increasingly transparent in countries or regions where renewable energy is taking a large share of electricity generation, i.e., in Germany and Spain. The main reasons are as follows.

- Competition for limited investment funds. A euro, dollar or yuan can only be spent once and it should be spent for the options that provide the largest emission reductions the fastest. Nuclear power is not only one of the most expensive but also the slowest option.

- Overcapacity kills efficiency incentives. Centralized, large, power-generation units tend to lead to structural overcapacities. Overcapacities leave no room for efficiency.

- Flexible complementary capacity needed. Increasing levels of renewable electricity sources will need flexible, medium-load complementary facilities and not inflexible, large, baseload power plants.

- Future grids go both ways. Smart metering, smart appliances and smart grids are on their way. The logic is an entirely redesigned system where the user gets also a generation and storage function. This is radically different from the top- down centralized approach.

For future planning purposes...


To repeat - the #1 reason that the two approaches to power provision clash:
Overcapacity kills efficiency incentives. Centralized, large, power-generation units tend to lead to structural over-capacities. Over-capacities leave no room for efficiency.

This shapes a fundamentally different approach to an energy system than what is found with distributed renewables.



Section three
In section one above I pointed out that when Schellnhuber says he is "confident that the energy transformation was underway" in spite of the lack of progress in forging a large-scale international follow-up to the Kyoto Protocol, he is mirroring something I'd recently written. This is an edited version of those remarks.

If the only route to ending carbon emissions were grand global agreements you are correct, we would be screwed. But it isn't. Most policy experts in the field have had little to no hope for such an agreement since about 2003. As a result individual national governments, NGOs, the left leaning political parties, many businesses and energy focused academics have been working on the problem by directing their attention at making the economics of noncarbon energy and conservation not only competitive, but preferable to all centralized generation.

These efforts are having a great deal of success even though the payoff in terms of bulk reduction of emissions hasn't made itself manifest yet. Among other things what we are seeing is the rapid development of a large-scale manufacturing base for the advanced batteries that will largely get us off of petroleum, a similar large-scale manufacturing base for solar** and wind, and a global rethinking of where the best buys in energy are.

I believe the bulk of DU's Democratic population believes we need to move to a sustainable, renewable energy system and that they want to support policies that are going to get us there as quickly as possible. TO do that, however, it is important to understand what is being done that is actually effective.

This gives you a good overview of the approach that is working:
http://rmi.org/Reinventing+Fire+Solutions+Journal+Fall+...


Section three-a
Take this example of what ONE wind turbine factory will do at the 10 and 20 year mark.

In the time it takes to plan and build one nuclear plant, the turbines produced and installed from one wind turbine factory will have produced 54 reactor-years worth of electricity. Their aggregate annual output will equal that of 10 nuclear reactors.

A plant manufacturing wind turbines just upgraded their manufacturing process and can put out 2.5GWe of wind turbines per year. You can read the story here: http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/20...

At the end of ten years this single plant should be responsible for manufacturing about 25 GWe of wind turbines.

I estimated the total amount of electricity produced as the turbines come online over time and at the end of that 10 years, operating at 33% capacity, they would have provided a cumulative total of approximately 390 terrawatt hours (TWh). For reference, one nuclear average nuclear plant with one slightly above average nuclear reactor actually produces about 7 TWh each year.

I selected 10 years because this is the time it would take to plan and build one nuclear plant if it doesn't suffer delays - and they almost always do.

So devoting approximately the same resources to each technology gives us, at the end of 10 years:
- 10, 000 Wind turbines producing 72 TWhs of electricity per year the 54 years worth of production from the nuclear plant that the wind turbines have already cranked out.
OR
- One nuclear plant that might be ready to begin to producing 7TWh per year.

Given the standard 20 year life span for the turbines and assuming the plant continued production of the same product, this factory will max out it's contribution to growth of wind power at 50GWe when it hits the 20 year mark and starts to build replacements for those wearing out.

That 50GW of turbines should actually produce approximately 144 TWh of electricity every year.

50GW faceplate capacity X .33 capacity factor = 16.5GW of production

That 16.5GW equals approximately twenty (20) 1GW nuclear reactors operating at the international average capacity factor of about 80%.

That's one factory making what is now a rather small 2.5MW wind turbine...


Section three-b
Another example of the positive economic potential of going with an energy generating source that is a mass produced commidity is solar. In 2003 the Department of Energy said that if we, as leaders of world solar production, could build 3 gigawatts (GW) of solar panel manufacturing capacity by 2020 then we would be making significant progress in building the proper manufacturing base to enable solar as a meaningful and substantial contributor for solving climate change. They were counting on on policies like Kyoto to drive the development of that manufacturing base.

Well follow up to Kyoto hasn't materialized, but the pure economic potential of solar has resulted in Chinese investment will, by the end of this year, have built 35 GW of solar manufacturing capacity since 2007; with the global manufacturing base coming in between 45-50 GW.

That is 45-50GW instead of 3GW and in 2011 instead of 2020.

The policy most responsible for this success is called a "feed in tariff" (FIT) and that is what we need more of. Carbon taxes can help, but opposition from entrenched interests in the direction of FITs is far more successful since it supports programs that 90%+ of people support and it isn't confronting today's problem with being a "tax".

Support them for wind and solar whenever you have the chance.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 06:50 PM
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1. the toxic nuclear industry owns more politicians than the alternative energy people do nt
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 06:53 PM
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2. kristopher, thank you for your relentless and admirable
dedication to keeping the truths exposed.

K & R for later reading.
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 07:00 PM
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3. Invalid approach to the argument.
"Because centralized generation - including nuclear - and distributed renewable generation are fundamentally different approaches to the way energy is provided to the consumer. The fossil fuel system is centralized. Renewables are distributed. I hope that what follows helps make clear the distinction."


Many renewables are centralized as well. Concentrating solar. Geothermal. Even offshore wind, which generally sees the turbines sited in a 'patch', if for no other reason than to keep them out of the way of maritime shipping, connects to the grid in the same centralized manner.

Centralized generation is NOT just for fossil fuels.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 07:33 PM
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4. "Many renewables are centralized as well." No, but that is a common first cut misperception.
Edited on Wed Nov-23-11 07:51 PM by kristopher
I can't count the number of times that the anti-renewable rhetoric of someone has included the claim that renewables won't work because we have to build so many generating units (turbines, panels etc) and how all those units will have to be everywhere taking up all the space the world has available (yes I'm being hyperbolic).

Now you are saying the opposite, that renewables can be centralized into one compact facility like a coal, nuclear, or natural gas plant and fed fuel. This construction leads to economic decision-making that results in aggregating ever more boilers or reactors at the same location as the first in order to avoid duplication of underutilized facilities. This in turn in related to economics that make any singe endeavor pay off best by being an extemely large scale capital investment that exceeds the marginal increase in projected demand far into the future.

That isn't what the renewable facilities are like

http://www.cpuc.ca.gov/PUC/energy/DistGen/

http://www.oncor.com/electricity/distgen/default.aspx

http://www.energy.ca.gov/distgen/background/background.html

Comprehensive discussion of distributed generation by DOE:
http://www.ferc.gov/legal/fed-sta/exp-study.pdf
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-11 03:18 AM
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5. No.
"Now you are saying the opposite, that renewables can be centralized into one compact facility like a coal, nuclear, or natural gas plant and fed fuel. This construction leads to economic decision-making that results in aggregating ever more boilers or reactors at the same location as the first in order to avoid duplication of underutilized facilities. This in turn in related to economics that make any singe endeavor pay off best by being an extemely large scale capital investment that exceeds the marginal increase in projected demand far into the future."

I am not saying the opposite. Though some of what you said is true regarding consolidation of duplicate resources.

What I am saying is, concentrating solar is, by it's nature, centralized. Period. It's even thermal storage, also centralized. PV solar, is or can be distributed. (It can also be deployed in a highly centralized manner if one so chose.)

PS10 and PS20 in Spain, are a prime example of a concentrated, compact facility producing electricity from renewable power, and it continues to produce even when the sun is not shining. It is quite a bit smaller than most oil refineries, and I would daresay, much smaller than a nuclear power plant. (though, per sq foot, it will produce much less electricity, but that isn't relevant)

Or to re-state, you are artificially narrowing the definition of 'renewable' power to some arbitrary 'distributed' definition, that simply isn't true. Several renewables are thermal, centralized, or can be and are sometimes deployed in a centralized manner.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-11 08:11 AM
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6. Yes, it is relevant.
OP: "Because centralized generation - including nuclear - and distributed renewable generation are fundamentally different approaches to the way energy is provided to the consumer. The fossil fuel system is centralized. Renewables are distributed. I hope that what follows helps make clear the distinction."

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You: PS10 and PS20 in Spain, are a prime example of a concentrated, compact facility producing electricity from renewable power, and it continues to produce even when the sun is not shining. It is quite a bit smaller than most oil refineries, and I would daresay, much smaller than a nuclear power plant. (though, per sq foot, it will produce much less electricity, but that isn't relevant)

Or to re-state, you are artificially narrowing the definition of 'renewable' power to some arbitrary 'distributed' definition, that simply isn't true. Several renewables are thermal, centralized, or can be and are sometimes deployed in a centralized manner.


****
I think you are straining at gnats. Perhaps you've forgotten that the DG/centralized concepts are directly related to the potential size which is determined by the energy density of available fuel being input into the generating source. From the link to the DOE paper:

"DG is not a new phenomenon. Prior to the advent of alternating current and large-scale steam turbines - during the initial phase of the electric power industry in the early 20th century - all energy requirements, including heating, cooling, lighting, and motive power, were supplied at or near their point of use. Technical advances, economies of scale in power production and delivery, the expanding role of electricity in American life, and its concomitant regulation as a public utility, all gradually converged to enable the network of gigawatt-scale thermal power plants located far from urban centers that we know today, with high-voltage transmission and lower voltage distribution lines carrying electricity to virtually every business, facility, and home in the country.

At the same time this system of central generation was evolving, some customers found it economically advantageous to install and operate their own electric power and thermal energy systems, particularly in the industrial sector. Moreover, facilities with needs for highly reliable power, such as hospitals and telecommunications centers, frequently installed their own electric generation units to use for emergency power during outages. These “traditional” forms of DG, while not assets under the control of electric utilities, produced benefits to the overall electric system by providing services to consumers that the utility did not need to provide, thus freeing up assets to extend the reach of utility services and promote more extensive electrification.

Over the years, the technologies for both central generation and DG improved by becoming more efficient and less costly. Implementation of Section 210 of the Public Utilities Regulatory Policy Act of 1978 (PURPA) sparked a new era of highly energy efficient and renewable DG for electric system applications. Section 210 established a new class of non-utility generators called “Qualifying Facilities” (QFs) and provided financial incentives to encourage development of cogeneration and small power production. Many QFs have since provided energy to consumers on-site, but some have sold power at rates and under terms and conditions that have been either negotiated or set by state regulatory authorities or nonregulated utilities.

Today, advances in new materials and designs for photovoltaic panels, microturbines, reciprocating engines, thermally-activated devices, fuel cells, digital controls, and remote monitoring equipment, among other components and technologies, have expanded the range of opportunities and applications for “modern” DG, and have made it possible to tailor energy systems that meet the specific needs of consumers. These technical advances, combined with changing consumer needs, and the restructuring of wholesale and retail markets for electric power, have opened even more opportunities for consumers to use DG to meet their own energy needs, as well as for electric utilities to explore possibilities to meet electric system needs with distributed generation.


http://www.ferc.gov/legal/fed-sta/exp-study.pdf

Here is the same thing visually:


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PamW Donating Member (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-11 01:14 PM
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7. If I'm the consumer...
Because centralized generation - including nuclear - and distributed renewable generation are fundamentally different approaches to the way energy is provided to the consumer. The fossil fuel system is centralized. Renewables are distributed. I hope that what follows helps make clear the distinction.
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If I'm the consumer; what do I care about the centralization or decentralization. All that is important to me is whether I have power available in the amounts that I need, at the times that I need, for a cost that I can afford, and at minimal impact to the environment.

I don't give a damn about the centralized or decentralized issue.

"Feed in tariff" is just a mechanism to artificially skew the cost in favor of renewables.

I can support "carbon taxes" because fossil fuels are degrading the environment by using the atmosphere as a waste dump.

The consumer is best served with an open competition between the various energy generation technologies rather than have a preferred method chosen by some self-appointed, scientifically illiterate oligarchs.

PamW

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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-11 01:32 PM
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8. Poor Ppam. Still projecting I see...
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PamW Donating Member (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 01:31 PM
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13. Do you have anything meaningful to say?

Do you have anything meaningful to say?

Or will it only be your usual trite comments.

PamW

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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 03:20 PM
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33. Yes, and it is in the OP.
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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-11 04:32 PM
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9. Not "centralized?" Who will buy these multi-million dollar 2.5 MWe wind turbines?
I sure can't afford one. Perhaps Bill Gates, Warren Buffet and a few thousand others could -- but you know they won't be buying huge wind turbines.

No, these 50GWe worth of wind turbines coming out of the factory you describe will all -100%- be put into use in wind farms... the very definition of "centralized" power generation.

And this is a good thing because that means that huge amounts of excess energy will be able to be STORED when it is not needed (as wind power rarely follows the demand curve of the areas it serves). These energy storage units can be pumped hydro, compressed air energy storage, etc., and they can be located anywhere there is a high voltage power line large enough to take all of that energy.

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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-11 06:44 PM
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10. No, not centralized.
Not even close.

Of course, to know that you'd actually have to read and think.
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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 09:28 AM
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11. You're using circular logic
Explain exactly who will be buying these 2.5 MWe wind turbines.

Where will they site them?

Who will be buying the electricity from these 2.5 MWe wind turbines.

(... I know that you won't answer these questions because they will PROVE YOU COMPLETELY WRONG ...)
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 09:39 AM
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12. Answer them yourself.
If you have a case to make, then make it and stop arguing by insinuation; a tactic you frequently use in a attempt to create the illusion of knowledge.

Wind is a distributed renewable resource that will be an integral part of a distributed renewable grid.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 10:41 PM
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17. Still waiting for you to make your case.
You say your questions prove me completely wrong. Explain in detail, please, exactly how that is.
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 11:00 PM
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18. Perhaps if you answered the questions first?
As it is, you're answering a question with a question.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 11:06 PM
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19. If he has an argument to make it doesn't depend on my answering his questions.
The questions are nothing more than an attempt to create the appearance of thought and understanding where there is none.
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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 07:53 AM
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20. Actually, it does.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 07:58 AM
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21. Make your argument by stating the facts.
Edited on Sat Nov-26-11 07:59 AM by kristopher
And putting them together with valid reasoning.
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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 06:15 PM
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22. You've made your argument, then un-made it. Answer the questions.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 06:22 PM
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23. In other words you don't have an argument, you were just trying to create a false impression.
Just as all generating sources have a cost, and in large part all, distributed and centralized are hooked up to the grid.

The OP and the following discussion make my case. If you have an argument that refutes it you need to explicitly lay out your evidence and put the pieces together
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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 09:46 AM
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24. Always have to have the last word, huh? Answer the questions
They will prove your premise is wrong.

Not all renewables are distributed, not all traditional generation is centralized. There is a garbage dump a few miles away from my town that collects its methane and turns it into electricity, the utility put in a sub-station across the street from it to handle the power. Which is that? Distributed? Renewable?
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 11:14 AM
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25. With every post you show you are merely trying to defend the use of nuclear
Edited on Sun Nov-27-11 11:41 AM by kristopher
You clearly have absolutely no grasp of the issue under discussion, so you attempted to pretend knowledge you didn't have.

You can state your case if you have one. If you think the information you asked me for is relevant, then you should be able to put it out there and explain WHY it makes your case.

Biomethane is a classic distributed resource.

Making the not-so-safe assumption that confusion isn't your normal state, here is a good question to ask yourself when confusion overwhelms you:
"How does the decision to build the next unit of generation get made and how do the economics of that decision impact future consumption?"
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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 01:58 PM
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27. Answer the questions and you can drop the charade
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 02:03 PM
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28. You sound like Sean Hannity again.
You clearly have absolutely no grasp of the issue under discussion, so you attempted to pretend knowledge you didn't have.

You can state your case if you have one. If you think the information you asked me for is relevant, then you should be able to put it out there and explain WHY it makes your case.

Biomethane is a classic distributed resource.

Making the not-so-safe assumption that confusion isn't your normal state, here is a good question to ask yourself when confusion overwhelms you:

"How does the decision to build the next unit of generation get made and how do the economics of that decision impact future consumption?"
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backwoodsbob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 02:54 PM
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14. can you give a link
that shows coal and oil got 409 BILLION in subsidies like you said?
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 03:42 PM
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15. I didn't say it, but yes, it is from the International Energy Agency
Energy Subsidies
The IEA, within the framework of the World Energy Outlook, has been measuring fossil-fuel subsidies in a systematic and regular fashion for more than a decade. Its analysis is aimed at demonstrating the impact of fossil-fuel subsidy removal for energy markets, climate change and government budgets. The IEA’s latest estimates indicate that fossil-fuel consumption subsidies worldwide amounted to $409 billion in 2010, up from $300 billion in 2009, with subsidies to oil products representing almost half of the total. Changes in international fuel prices are chiefly responsible for differences in subsidy costs from year to year. The increase in the global amount of subsidy in 2010 closely tracked the sharp rise in international fuel prices.

http://www.iea.org/weo/subsidies.asp
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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 10:01 PM
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16. I also wondered about that figure, whether it was UK only, EU only or worldwide
So worldwide it is.

The American contribution of those subsidies is around $72 Billion. It seems like the USA is subsidizing fossil fuels, percentage wise, far more than any other nation.

I'd love to see the $72 BN used to rapidly expand renewable energy and the needed energy storage to make it workable and reliable 24/7.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 11:53 AM
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26. That's why I support renewables AND nuclear.
*HIDES*
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 02:26 PM
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29. What is the "That" you refer to? It can't be the OP you are replying to.
Inquiring people want to know...
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 02:40 PM
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30. "All of the above"
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 05:54 PM
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31. We got that when you said "renewables and nuclear"; the question I asked relates to "That's why"
There is no reason given in the OP for your pronoun "That" to point to.

What is "that"?
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 11:46 AM
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32. Another* High Level German Energy and Climate Expert Questions UK Push for Nuclear
Discussing the lack of compatibility between large scale centralized generation and distributed renewables:

UK's faith in nuclear power threatens renewables, says German energy expert
Jochen Flasbarth, who is advising German government on its nuclear phase-out, says UK's wind and solar industry will suffer
Hanna Gersmann

guardian.co.uk, Monday 28 November 2011 05.04 EST

Building new nuclear power stations will make it harder for the UK to switch to renewable energy, said one of the top German officials leading the country's nuclear energy phase-out.

...Flasbarth robustly defended Germany's nuclear phase-out, saying it would be smoother than critics think. "The phase-out is doable and I don't expect unsolvable problems," he told the Guardian in an interview. "I wonder why Germany feels the pressure to defend its decision, but not the countries who stick to nuclear energy, which has been proved to be unsustainable."

He said he did not expect power shortages and it would not be necessary to import nuclear power from neighbouring countries such as the Czech Republic. "During the last month, there was no need for electricity imports due to capacity shortfalls in Germany. Short-term imports were merely market-driven," he said.

...Flasbarth also rebutted suggestions that Germany's nuclear phase-out could increase its greenhouse gas emissions, which it plans to cut 40% by 2020. Stephan Kohler, head of the German Energy Agency, has criticised the phase-out, saying that it contradicts the government's carbon-cutting efforts as more coal will be burned.

...


http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/nov/28/nuclear-uk-renewable-energy?newsfeed=true


See also: UK Govt Promotes Nuclear for AGW While Secretly Helping Canada Sell Tar Sands Oil in EU
Posted by Kristopher at http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115x318419#318419

The UK government has been giving secret support at the very highest levels to Canada's campaign against European penalties on its highly polluting tar sands fuel, the Guardian can reveal.

At the same time, the UK government was being lobbied by Shell and BP, which both have major tar sands projects in Alberta, and opened a new consulate in the province to "support British commercial interests".

At least 15 high-level meetings and frequent communications have taken place since September, with David Cameron discussing the issue with his counterpart Stephen Harper during his visit to Canada, and stating privately that the UK wanted "to work with Canada on finding a way forward", according to documents released under freedom of information laws.

Charles Hendry, the energy minister, later told the Canadian high commissioner: "We would value continued discussion with you on how we can progress discussions in Brussels," with Hendry's official asking the Canadians if they had "any suggestions as to what we might do, given the politics in Brussels"....
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