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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 03:47 PM
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Old concept of "baseload" no longer applies. Do not need coal or nuclear.
What does the person in charge of regulating grid reliability say about need for baseload electric?
Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC)
Mission: Reliable, Efficient and Sustainable Energy for Customers.
Assist consumers in obtaining reliable, efficient and sustainable energy services at a reasonable cost through appropriate regulatory and market means.


The Chair of FERC:
Wind is least expensive option.
Old concept of "baseload" no longer applies.
Do not need coal or nuclear.

Very clear and very explicit statements confirming these points from the person most responsible for ensuring the reliability of the nation's energy supply.

http://greenmonk.net/smart-grid-heavy-hitters-jon-wellinghoff-chair-of-us-federal-energy-regulatory-commission-part-1

http://greenmonk.net/smart-grid-heavy-hitters-jon-wellinghoff-chair-of-us-federal-energy-regulatory-commission-part-2


It's in the second half of the interview (the second link).
"Why it is a good thing for utilities that customers consume less electricity – 0:36
How smart grids help increase the penetration of renewables on the grid – 2:12
How electric vehicle owners are being paid up to $3,600 per annum to provide regulation services for utilities while charging! – 2:54
How renewable energy sources can be used as baseload power (no coal or nuclear baseload need ever be built) – 4:34"

Read more: http://greenmonk.net/smart-grid-heavy-hitters-jon-wellinghoff-chair-of-us-federal-energy-regulatory-commission-part-2/#ixzz1Jngo06xQ
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Bob Wallace Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 04:14 PM
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1. Transcript?
If not, anyone with the sort of skills who could create one? Shorthand-able for example.

Software that might turn the audio into something close to text?
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 04:26 PM
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2. I've done a lot of fieldwork requiring interviews that had to be transcribed...
It has been awhile but IIRC in my case the average time to transcribe one minute of tape was between 8-12 minutes - depending on the quality.

I listed what I thought were the salient points. Can you add anything to that from memory?





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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 10:11 AM
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8. Dragon speech recognition software
I have seen TV commercials for live capture of speech. It is very interactive, though, enabling the user to back up and edit text. This page has products for recorded speech.

http://nuance.com/dragon/transcription-solutions/index.htm
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One_Life_To_Give Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 04:42 PM
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3. Why Renewable Baseload if Baseload not needed?
On the one hand it claims Baseload no longer applies. Yet near the bottom claims renewable to be used for baseload. Why if it's no longer relevant? Like being slightly pregnant.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 06:04 PM
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4. Would it be too much trouble to actually listen to the interview?
Your point is based strictly on a shorthand remark by the interviewer - the question itself can't be derived from the interview content.

In fact, you need to ignore information in the text of the OP to manufacture your "question".

"Old concept of "baseload" no longer applies."

If the "old concept of "baseload"" is not longer applicable, doesn't that present the thought that there is a new concept involved?

Listen to the interview.
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One_Life_To_Give Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 06:01 PM
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6. Yes it is too much trouble to listen
I have found the definition of "BaseLoad" like those of "Capitalism" and "Communism" shifts depending upon who the author is and what agenda they are pushing. BaseLoad is a Load Characteristic not tied to generation source. Just as there is a Base Water Usage and Base Sewer Flow.

What you call the "Old concept of Baseload". To me appears to be a Straw Man. And New baseload is nothing more than the application of some renewable tech to help meet the original baseload. What next turning DiHydrogen Monoxide into Drinking Water?
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 06:17 PM
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7. Most words have several definitions.
You criticism on that basis is absolutely ridiculous.

You continue that kind of nonsense when you attribute to me what the Chairman of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission has said. It is HIS usage you are questioning, not mine.

And if you are too fucking lazy to watch a brief video that is your problem, not mine.
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Bob Wallace Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 01:11 AM
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5. Old grid thinking...
You build generation that cranks along day in and day out. You build it in sufficient amounts to cover your basic needs. Then you build dispatchable generation (or storage) that you can use to fill needs when demand rises.

New grid thinking...

You make use of the cheapest, cleanest sources first even if they are not 24/7/365 generators. Then you fill in around them with dispatchable generation and storage. You also use load-shifting to move demand to when the cheapest power is available.
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