In a debate about Global Warming with a Freeper

[hydrashok75]

Anyone have some good quick links to counter the argument that there's actually still a lot of debate, or that the jury is still out, on whether mankind is changing the climate? My contention is that most bona fide scientists not on the XOM and coal industry payroll concur that it is happening and manmade causes are most likely the root source.

[phantom power]

1. I would go to RealClimate.com

[Lautremont]

2. I'd think you'd have to work hard to find reputable sources that didn't

consider the matter settled: there is global warming, end of story, and now we have to figure out what to do about it.

Maybe google "The Weather Makers" and see what comes up. It's apretty persuasive book on the subject.

[Coexist]

3. this should belp

http://blog.sciam.com/index.php?cat=19

[NMDemDist2]

4. how about this WaPo article?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/28/AR2006012801021.html

Now that most scientists agree human activity is causing Earth to warm, the central debate has shifted to whether climate change is progressing so rapidly that, within decades, humans may be helpless to slow or reverse the trend.

[phantom power]

5. Here's a pretty good recent story:

http://in.today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2006-03-16T033146Z_01_NOOTR_RTRJONC_0_India-240788-1.xml

[Botany]

6. Google Mt Kilimanjaro Global Warming .....

Or any Mountain Glacier Global Warming Pix.



But don't spend more than 2 minutes talking to the idiot ... they would argue that
water is not wet and it is not dark @ midnight in Alaska on Jan 1st in a cave.

[jpak]

7. Try this....(the peer reviewed scientific evidence)

Richard A. Kerr (2001) It's Official: Humans Are Behind Most of Global Warming
Science 2001. 26; 291: 566 (commentary and summary of recent research)

J. E. Harries, H. E. Brindley, P. J. Sagoo, R. J. Bantges (2001). Increases in greenhouse forcing inferred from the outgoing longwave radiation spectra of the Earth in 1970 and 1997. Nature 410: 355 - 357

T. P. Barnett, D. W. Pierce, R. Schnur (2001). Detection of Anthropogenic Climate Change in the World's Oceans. Science Vol. 292: pp 270-274.

S. Levitus, J. I. Antonov, J. Wang, T. L. Delworth, K. W. Dixon, and A. J. Broccoli (2001) Anthropogenic Warming of Earth's Climate System. Science 292: 267-270.

T. M. L. Wigley and S. C. B. Raper (2001) Interpretation of High Projections for Global-Mean Warming. Science Vol. 293: 451-454.

Gille, S. T. (2002) Warming of the Southern Ocean Since the 1950s. Science 295: 1275-1277

D. Rind (2002) The Sun's Role in Climate Variations. Science 296: 673-677

J. Hansen, R. Ruedy, M. Sato, and K. Lo (2002) Global Warming Continues. Science. 295: 275

S. T. Gille (2002) Warming of the Southern Ocean Since the 1950s. Science vol 295:1275-1277.

D. W. J. Thompson and S. Solomon (2002) Interpretation of Recent Southern Hemisphere Climate Change. Science. 296: 895-899

R. E. Moritz, Cecilia M. Bitz, and Eric J. Steig (2002) Dynamics of Recent Climate Change in the Arctic. Science. 297: 1497-1502

E. Rignot and R. H. Thomas (2002) Mass Balance of Polar Ice Sheets. Science 297: 1502-1506

T. R. Karl and K. E. Trenberth (2003) Modern Global Climate Change. Science. 302: 1719 - 1723

D. J. Karoly, K. Braganza, P. A. Stott, J. M. Arblaster, G. A. Meehl, A. J. Broccoli, and K. W. Dixon (2003) Detection of a Human Influence on North American Climate. Science. 302: 1200-1203

B. D. Santer, M. F. Wehner, T. M. L. Wigley, R. Sausen, G. A. Meehl, K. E. Taylor, C. Ammann, J. Arblaster, W. M. Washington, J. S. Boyle, and W. Brüggemann (2003) Contributions of Anthropogenic and Natural Forcing to Recent Tropopause Height Changes. Science. 301: 479-483

P. A. Stott, D. A. Stone and M. R. Allen (2004) Human contribution to the European heatwave of 2003. Nature 432: 610-614

J. Hansen, L. Nazarenko, R. Ruedy, M Sato, J. Willis, A. Del Genio, D. Koch, A. Lacis, K. Lo, S. Menon, T. Novakov, J. Perlwitz, G. Russell, G. A. Schmidt N. Tausnev (2005) Earth's Energy Imbalance: Confirmation and Implications. Science. 308: 1431 – 1435

B. J. Soden, D. L. Jackson, V. Ramaswamy, M. D. Schwarzkopf, and X. Huang (2005) The Radiative Signature of Upper Tropospheric Moistening. Science. 310: 841-844

T. P. Barnett, D. W. Pierce, K. M. AchutaRao, P. J. Gleckler, B. D. Santer, J. M. Gregory, and W. M. Washington (2005) Penetration of Human-Induced Warming into the World's Oceans. Science. 309: 284-287

V. Ramaswamy, M. D. Schwarzkopf, W. J. Randel, B. D. Santer, B. J. Soden, and G. L. Stenchikov (2006) Anthropogenic and Natural Influences in the Evolution of Lower Stratospheric Cooling. Science. 311: 1138-1141

Then ask him for HIS "scientific" evidence that it's a "fraud"...

[hydrashok75]

9. Man you guys are good!

I can't believe this guy tried to use some tripe he found on a freeper link about Kyoto as "tech", but I'm looking to bury him with substantial quantities of peer reviewed work.

Thanks!

[thoughtanarchist]

8. The jury is still out...

on the theory of gravity as well, but each time I see how idiotic the level of conservative discourse has become and my jaw drops, it always hits the floor, so that theory continues to survive.
:wow:
Theories are disproved, not proved. When a freeper tells you the "jury is still out" on a theory, and challenges you to "prove it" refer him / her to scientific method, and invite them to DISprove this prevailing theory.

[Jayhawk Lib]

10. Hasn't the planet been warming

ever since the ice age? I remember learning about the ice age many years ago in school. Something has been warming up the planet since the ice age eons ago.

With the heat from the sun above and the heat from the hot molten rock at the core of the earth it would seem like some warming from those 2 sources would occur.

Maybe there is some scientific explanation why these 2 sources are not heating up the planet.

[Dead_Parrot]

11. They do warm it up...

but you have to remember that the earth sits in space, at around -270 centigrade. It has a slight cooling effect. :) The two balance quite nicely, although solar cycles and orbital cycles do affect temperature: Not this much, though -

[Jayhawk Lib]

12. Thank you....that is the most

reasonable explanation that I have heard.

[seasat]

13. Here's the best link you will find for debating neoluddites.

Real Climate

It is a series of articles posted by scientists working in climate science where they specifically address junk science brought up by the acolytes of Shrub Inc. They created it in response to the disinformation put out in the media by the fossil fuel industry and their buddies. Most postings reference peer reviewed scientific articles published in reputable journals.

[megatherium]

14. I was particularly impressed by their discussion about Kilimanjaro.

Global warming skeptics suggest that Kilimanjaro is losing its glaciers due to shifts in precipatation patterns rather than warming. Their rebuttal of that is detailed and convincing.