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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 02:18 PM
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A Milk War Over More Than Price(org. milk producers: who treats cows well?
Edited on Sat Sep-16-06 02:19 PM by lindisfarne
Activist groups, as well as some organic food retailers and dairies, contend that the company where Wal-Mart and the other big retailers get their milk operates large factory farms that are diluting the principles of organic agriculture and delivering customers a substandard product. They argue that Aurora’s cows do not spend any significant time roaming pastures and eating fresh grass; instead they live on a diet high in grains.

“They are trying to cut corners in the interest of producing milk as cheaply as possible,” said Mark Kastel, senior farm analyst at the Cornucopia Institute, which represents organic family farmers.

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John Mackay, chief executive of Whole Foods Market, the nation’s largest organic food supermarket chain, toured Aurora’s Platteville farm in May with Margaret Wittenberg, vice president for quality standards. They found it to be “unacceptable” and “not up to our standards,” said a spokeswoman, Ashley Hawkins.
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The controversy turns on how closely Aurora adheres to the principles behind the organic food movement. Many organic farmers say grass feeding is essential for organic dairy production because it is part of a cow’s natural behavior. Milk from grass-fed cows, they say, is also higher in beneficial fatty acids than milk from cows fed grain, making it more nutritious.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/16/business/16milk.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print
September 16, 2006
A Milk War Over More Than Price
By MELANIE WARNER
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 02:31 PM
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1. Peh...
...I don't do milk, organic soymilk instead. But leave it to WalMart to take the concept of organic foods and turn it into shit.
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 03:02 PM
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2. Thats just depressing
yeah and I don'r drink milk either-Soymilk rocks :headbang:!!!
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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 03:55 PM
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3. The health benefits of unfermented soy (includes soy milk) are doubted.
Edited on Sat Sep-16-06 03:56 PM by lindisfarne
Do some google searches on this; I've read a number of articles on this. Here is just the first article that popped up:
http://www.drlam.com/opinion/soyandestrogen.cfm

In the last ten years, Soy has gone from an obscure food to the perfect food. Promoters of soy products would like you to believe that next to water, soy is probably one of the healthiest foods you can eat.

Based on soy’s extensive history of consumption in the Asian diet and the long lifespan of Asians as a group, soy industry has been successfully promoted soy as a family tradition and key to longevity and good health. However, careful scrutiny shows that the Asian diet is not one that is focused on soy at all. In fact 65% of the calories from a Japanese diet comes from fish. In China, 65% of calories come from pork. The total caloric intake from soy in the Chinese diet is only 1.5%. The amount of soy consumed in Asia averages only 2 teaspoons a day and up to ¼ cup in some parts of Japan. This is certainly not the large amount that we were led to believe. Furthermore, the modern processed soy protein food in the form of soy burgers and soy drinks found in supermarkets in no way resembles the traditional Asian soy. Soy consists of complex chemical and structural components. The main components are protein, essential fatty acids, as well as a class of compounds known as isoflavones. Isoflavones as a family include compounds such as genistein, daidzein, equol, and glycitein. These are also called phytoestrogens in that they have properties that are estrogen like but are derived from plants. The amount of genistein per day consumed in the average Japanese is only 10mg. Mega consumption of isoflavones such as soy burgers can bring the total daily genistein intake to over 200mg. Genistein is particularly harmful for people who have preexisting low or marginally low thyroid function. It’s antagonism to the thyroid hormone is well established. A daily dose of genistein as low as 30mg can affect normal thyroid function.

The Chinese and Japanese have known about the toxicity of soy for centuries. Soy contains a variety of toxic chemicals, which cannot be fully metabolized by the body, unless it undergoes a long cooking, or fermentation process. Unfermented soy contains phylates, which acts as an anti-nutrient and blocks the body’s absorption of minerals from the gastro intestinal track. It also contains enzymes inhibitors that reduce protein digestion. Processed soy protein contains carcinogens such as nitrates, lysinoalanine, as well as a large group of anti-nutrients not found in traditional soy consumed in Asia. It also lacks calcium and causes a deficiency of vitamin D, both of which are not conducive for bone building.

The way soy is consumed in Asia is that it is allowed to be fermented first for a long time, from 6 months to 3 years. Only after extensive fermentation is soy being eaten as a condiment and not as a replacement for animal food. Fermented soy includes miso, tempeh, and natto and does not have the negative properties of unfermented soy. Miso is widely used as a soup base in Japan. Natto is a foul smelling fermented soybean preparation that has been consumed in Japan for over 1,000 years. Natto also has a high concentration of vitamin K2, a critical nutrient for bone building. It also has the extraordinary property of dissolving blood clots and keeping our blood vessels clear.

Modern processed soy products, including soy burgers and soy cheese are not the same as traditional Asian soy. They are by and large unfermented and include tofu and soy protein. These do not provide the same benefits as fermented soy products. A typical Japanese man eats about 8 grams (2 teaspoon) a day of soy that is mostly fermented as compared to the 220 grams (8oz) a western person in the form of a chunk of tofu and 2 glasses of soy milk, both of which are unfermented. Eating unfermented soy by a vegetarian actually increases the risk of mineral deficiency including calcium, magnesium, copper, and zinc. Unfermented soy such as soymilk is also the second most common allergen. 1% of the population is truly allergic to cow’s milk, and 2/3 of those will be intolerant to soymilk. Soymilk is also high in aluminum, because they are processed in large aluminum tanks. Studies have shown that 30gram of unfermented soy consumed daily can affect thyroid function and is strongly linked to a host of auto immune diseases such as Hashimoto’s thryoiditis as well as hypothyroidism.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 04:21 PM
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4. Interesting.
But I'd sure like to see some kind of sources and backup -- other than one guy's blog opinion, who has obvious mercenary motivations.

:shrug:
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 05:08 PM
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5. That one woman out there dissing soy
(I forget her name) has ties to the diary industry....she has writtena book about soy.

She completely twisted the no. of Asians with diets high in soy content etc.
Some powerful lobbies at work here....
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 06:21 PM
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6. Okay, thanks.
Personally, I don't use a lot of soy, anyway, mainly because of my concerns about rainforest being destroyed to grow it. (Instead, I've become something of a _Quorn_ affictionado to supplement my vegetarian diet.)

I don't use a lot of dairy, either, but try to make sure whatever I do use comes from genuinely "happy cows."

:)
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 06:27 PM
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7. The rainforest concern is actually legit.
:hi:
Thats what made me start researching soy and buying the better brands. But the health concerns imo are a crock of shit. I am a little rushed now but I'll probably make a detailed dairy about it at some point.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 06:47 PM
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8. Thanks very much for the heads up.
I have to get to work now, too, but appreciate your input!

:hi:
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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 01:26 AM
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9. Well yes, of course. That is why I suggested a google search. n/t
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 04:47 AM
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10. Ok, I googled - this page debunks the anti-soy nonsense
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 08:22 AM
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11. "Brynna's Vegan Feast" -- yeah, that's an objective source.
Folks, I don't care WHAT your dietary ideology may be, the American food system sells us crap and doesn't care what line of philosophical or scientific legerdemain it has to use to get the job done. Since we've gotten much more political and have developed a worship of Science-with-a-capital-S recently, they have a new marketing methodology that's even better than jingles and mascots. They use our beliefs to fill our bellies with expensive, poor-quality food.

And, NO, "organic" and "vegan" foods are NOT immune to this trend. If anything, there is even MORE nonsense involved in those industries. And why not? It's expensive, high-profit food. Trying to pretend that the organic/vedge industry is without taint is laughable. Big Money is behind every part of the food biz -- period.

People need to eat. Control the food supply, and you can charge what you want. So why not sell the foodies their special grub and make a few extra bucks on a "niche market"?

Eating a lot of soy is, indeed, bad for most people. The fact that there is a great deal of GMO soy out there doesn't help this situation. And yet soy actually helps other people. The very same thing could be said about -- gasp! -- meat. But people no longer pay attention to their own bodies and health. Instead, more of us are eating based on politics, ideology, and (so-called) "peer reviewed studies" -- and sometimes just plain pique.

The ideologizing of diet is a nasty, dangerous, and ultimately irrational trend. Dare I speak the nouveau cliché and tell it as it is? -- Food is the new Sex.

Ergo, I am virtuous. You have made a few mistakes. The other guy/gal is a filthy slutwhorepimp who eats immoral meat, carbohydrates, aspartame, and probably even cooks with a microwave.

Vegans, carnivores, health-food and crapoholics alike, food politicking is one of the worst things we can buy into. Plant a garden, buy local, eat what keeps you healthy and happy -- and keep your fingers crossed.

--p!
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