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Daveparts Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 01:44 PM
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The More Inconvenient Truth



I recently watched the movie an inconvenient truth and I found it very informative and entertaining and think even those who don’t much like Al Gore personally might still enjoy the movie. There wasn’t a whole lot in the film that you probably haven’t seen or heard before but it is the scale of which it is portrayed. That throughout 600,000 years of history the carbon dioxide level has never been above 300 ppm and its dramatic rise from 1950 to the present and that if left unchanged is now a straight vertical line pointing off the chart. This leaves us in virgin territory to say the least.

Global warming nay sayers are rapidly becoming like the tobacco industry, recently the head of Alcoa Aluminum and other American manufactures went to the White House to ask George Bush to do something to curb green house gas emissions. But greenhouse gasses are the symptom not the disease they are the fever not the virus. As the movie thoughtfully points out that from the beginning of human history until the beginning of twentieth century human population grew slowly and gradually then they movie goes back to greenhouse gasses and pollution.

It ignores the more inconvenient truth it took humanity 500,000 years to reach one billion people on this planet. In around 1950 where the movie begins there were 2.5 billion and that doubled by 1990 to five billion and now seventeen years later we are at 6.68 billion and adding three humans a second. This is were I think the movie derailed, Ok lets say we cut our green house gas emissions by 40% in ten years, which we won’t but just say we did. The population growth will wipe out any savings by addition of two billion more people more people.

Years ago taking a Real Estate class the instructor explained that slums come from too many people living in too small a space. The poor unable to afford an apartment of the appropriate size rent a two-bedroom apartment for seven or eight people and the over use of the fixtures causes the property to decline. We as humans find ourselves in this situation similar to the Marx Brothers movie where they keep adding more and more people to our tiny stateroom called Earth.

We have done a remarkable job in feeding this growing multitudes but modern agricultural yields are based on petroleum based fertilizers and it would appear we are heading towards a critical mass with a shortage of petroleum a rising population and the effects of global warming. Very soon something must give, petroleum prices will continue to rise environmental degradation will cause crop failures making farmers unable to purchase the fertilizers. While in Western countries populations are devouring farmlands for residential development as if the amount of arable land is unlimited.

But as rapidly as we have been able to supply food stuffs for the masses what about wealth? Can we double our national wealth every forty years? Not likely just as the growth of population speeds up the cost of maintaining them speeds up as well in 1950 less than 10% of the world population lived in cities by 2020 it will be 40%. That means 1.4 billion more people crowded into cities. In 1950 those eight percent in urban areas accounted for 260 million leaving 2.5 billion living in the rural areas most as subsistence farmers can we handle an increase in subsistence farming of say 4.5 billon souls?


If we do not solve the problem and I have my doubts as to our ability to do so, the problem will solve us. The Black Death that swept across Europe during the middle ages was nature’s way of saying if you won’t solve your sanitation problems we will. Through out the history of the planet there are localized cases of humans out stripping their environment. On Easter Island the population grew to point where they could no longer feed themselves and over farmed the available land until the yield collapsed ditto for the Mayans in Mexico. They had developed an intricate system of crop irrigation, but without rain it becomes academic just how cleaver you are.

The movie points out that if the Greenland ice sheet melts it will raise ocean levels by 20 feet and the ice in the Antarctic would raise it another twenty. So if just half the ice melts from both you have the problem of major world cities that no longer exist, New York, London, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Manila and the list goes on and on. Those millions will have to relocate to somewhere making Katrina the norm rather than the exception.

Ocean currents regulate weather patterns and temperature patterns and to a large degree are regulated by the amount of salt in the water. As the ice melts the oceans become less salty and the currents pick up speed. Less salty water evaporates faster and causes heavier rainfalls and snow falls but because the climate is warmer the snowfalls melt and cause flooding and the rainfalls are deluges causing erosion. But even the nay sayers will tell you the earth’s climate is cyclical and they are correct if left alone the problem will solve its self.

In eight to ten thousand years as the earth emerges from the ice age it will once again be a paradise of lush forests with rich top soil the oceans will again teem with fish and as the glaciers recede to a balance point the half a billion humans left on the planet can start again. They can relearn how to make metal and develop written languages and maybe next time they will do a better job with it than the current administrators. Or perhaps humans will just die out another failed wrung on the evolutionary ladder Homo Sapien, nimis intellego action proprius valetudo (too smart for his own good)
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Tafiti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 02:07 PM
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1. Agreed.
We are literally consuming the Earth and turning it into human flesh. As the populations increases, the food supply has to increase to feed the population increase, which leads to still another population increase...ad infinitum. We somehow believe that the finite space on planet Earth will continue to host indefinitely a population that refuses to impose limits on itself. And this is saying nothing about the sharp decrease in biodiversity and the problems that would entail. This problem has been staring us in the face for awhile now, but discussion on this problem has been practically non-existent.

Personally, I think we're totally fucked. It's way too late now, considering that solving the global warming crisis will be taken seriously insofar as it doesn't threaten our economy too much. Wiping out human civilization and millions of years of evolution so that our standard of living doesn't suffer. Goddman if we're not the smartest, most mind-numbingly stupid people that have ever existed.
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hogwyld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 03:36 PM
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4. I'm sure we have passed the point of no return
And mother nature is going to "erase" a sizeable protion of humans through drought, starvation, disease, and other nasty things. I would be suprised if we have even half of the current population by the end of this century.
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Porcupine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 10:36 PM
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13. We know the train is moving but maybe we can stop it.....
before the broken bridge.

We have the tools today to stop pumping excess CO2 into the atmosphere and start a massive program of sequestration of atmospheric carbon. What remains to be seen is wether we will commit the political will to do so.

At this point the best possible scenario for climate change is that several bad hurricane seasons destroy evacuated US cities. Then a frightened US populace realizes that they have to give up their cars and jet flights or die.

But that's really not going to happen. The world will end up in some bizzare "Tank Girl" dystopia where weakened refugees are harvested for their value as biofuels and fertilizer.

I have hope.
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rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 02:12 PM
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2. Very nicely put
Welcome!
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 02:14 PM
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3. I often wonder if Gore really thinks we can still "prevent" anything.
If he really thinks we still have a "window of opportunity," it implies to me that he isn't keeping up with the latest climate developments. I suppose that not many people would go to see the movie I would make: "Oh Fucking Hell, We're All Doomed"
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 04:13 PM
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5. If he does, he should read Monbiot and Romm
Edited on Wed Jan-31-07 04:14 PM by GliderGuider
Anyone who comes away from reading "Heat" or "Hell and High Water" still thinking that we've got a snowball's chance should be selling what they're smoking.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 04:20 PM
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6. I have high hopes that enclaves of civilization will survive.
In my vision, these will be powered by nuclear power. Complete with forrays into the post-apocalyptic wasteland for supplies of nuclear fuel. Maybe in what we now call France. Unless we miss our chance for sudden glaciation, and everything within 45 degrees of the equator becomes like Venus Lite. In that case, France is out. It will have to be somewhere like North Greenland, or Antarctica.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 04:27 PM
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7. When I say "we" I'm really talking about our industrial civilization
There will definitely be H. saps left, we're harder to kill than cockroaches. I think we'll end up sliding far enough into Olduvai that nukes won't be maintainable - my vision is more along the lines of "Canticle for Liebowitz" without the mutants. God I hate being this certain of such a dark vision.
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 07:25 PM
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12. Cheer up
Here's some fluffy fittens to look at instead.



(PS - thanks for the new sigline...)

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Shoelace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 01:44 AM
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14. try Paraguay
or not? Bush and family, friends bought a bit less than 100K acres there - maybe they know something we don't? Wouldn't surprise me considering the fact that his oil buds have a pretty big handle on the real science while they disavow it altogether.
Nuclear power will save a tiny enclave left? I doubt that. What is left will be primitive tribal units deep in Amazonia or some such untouched culture, capable of survival under extreme situations.
Perhaps Velikofsky wasn't all wrong afterall.

The other climate scenario is that the already 30% shutdown of the Gulf Stream, will continue in a "Day after Tomorrow" scenario that freezes us all out of tomorrow. In that case, nuclear power with it's infamous ability to overheat waters be they ocean or river, had better get busy and fuel up! Diablo?:nuke:
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PaulaFarrell Donating Member (840 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 05:48 PM
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16. I listened to Monbiot speak late last year at the climate thing
and he did indicate that he thinks we have a small (about 10 year) window left. I don't know whether he was gilding the lily or not.
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 04:30 PM
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8. Of course they would
A combination of snuff and (climate) porn? "OFHWAD - The Movie" would make billions...

I'd agree we're too late to prevent climate change - it's already here, and people are already dying. But I like to think there's still some scope for damage limitation: Just how bad it gets is still very much up to us.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 04:32 PM
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9. We're twice too clever and not half smart enough for our own good.
Nice post, you've put your finger on most of the things that concern me too. Malthus was right after all.

We are refusing to be part of the solution, so we will end up as part of the precipitate.
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phusion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 05:52 PM
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10. Here have a few of these:
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Otherwise, well said and welcome to DU. :)
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esvhicl Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 06:11 PM
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11. Rung on the ladder n/t
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 03:40 PM
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15. You're right on the facts, w/out any doubt, but here's how it goes down.
All the truth being told rushes forth in an object lesson, series of lessons actually, involving major eco catastrophes. Sea level rises and 70 million Bangladeshis have to flee - where. We have a hurricane in Canada that is like Kansas. Entire species disappear quickly and so forth.

Humanity rises up and meets the challenge. Unparalleled creativity goes into breakneck research projects and somehow, we right everything. We are saved.

The experience, on a global scale, is documented in detail on the internet and all other media and everyone gets it - we are one species on a planet that needs respect and care. We are one and reach a new level of consciousness...

Then a huge comet appears out of no where, hit the Earth dead on, and it's all over. C'est la vie.

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