China's pollution cuts local rain (BBC)

[eppur_se_muova]

Pollution from China's factories and vehicles is significantly reducing rainfall in hilly areas of the country.

Writing in the journal Science, researchers report that rainfall is reduced by about 50% in some cases.

Clouds form more easily when pollutant particles are abundant, but rain droplets and snowflakes are less likely to grow large enough to fall.

Last week, other researchers reported that Asian pollution is creating stronger storms in the Pacific Ocean.
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"Now, when we find this direct linkage in China between air pollution and these decreasing amounts of mountain rainfall and snow, then we can more safely say that this is what also happens elsewhere in the world."
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more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6441503.stm

[Ezana]

1. Fuck with the enviroment, first let us live

You guys, in the..., are in a dreamland. We in developing countries do not even have the chance to live a normal life (life with peace, life with a certain tomorrow). You expect us to worroy about global worming. Fuck with it. Weather the globe got hot or not, we are always dying. If fact, we die more with ... than ... So, please execuse us if we are a little... about global worming.

[eppur_se_muova]

2. The post wasn't about global warming ... it was about how pollution is causing

LOCAL problems. China is suffering from a shortage of rainfall in many areas, and extremely low rivers. Some of that may very well be caused by China's own pollution (smoke, or particulate pollution, not CO2). Similar things are observed elsewhere, including the US, it is just easier to establish in China because the evidence is more clear-cut.

From the article: "We could not find any alternative explanation why rain would preferentially be reduced over hills in much of the western USA or the Middle East," said Dr Rosenfeld.

China has taken a path of almost unrestrained industrialization, with very little effort to control pollution. Other countries which pursue the same path are likely to encounter the same problems, such as loss of rainfall, and hence decreases in crop yields, as China. That's something that needs to concern people locally, and now -- much more immediately than global warming, which is mostly of the industrialized countries' making, and should be mostly ours to remediate.

[Ezana]

3. The post wasn't about global warming-Id does not matter, anything with the enviroment will do.

Nobody cares about the fucking enviroment, this planet.You guys , in the developed countries, are making things so bad to us that we do not any more care which type of death we die: due to the fucking enviroment(which is the better as it is indicriminating) or the one you induced on us (you know what I mean).

[Systematic Chaos]

5. Um... excuse me please.

We're making it bad to (sic) you?

I somehow don't think that "us guys" are twisting any arms in China and forcing them to build a new coal plant every week. Why doesn't the Chinese government simply step in and say NO to any further industrialization? It couldn't possibly be because there are greedy and corrupt officials over there, now could it?

And while you may be great at throwing f-bombs around on these boards, it seems to me you don't even know what it is you want. In another post you complained about how in developing countries you can't win for losing, and then you turn around and sneer at the global corporations who give you jobs and a shot at a more Western lifestyle.

So do us a couple favors, okay? First, where are you from (since that isn't listed in your profile)? Then, why don't you explain just what it is you do mean?

[phantom power]

4. Where do you live?