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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 08:23 AM Original message |
Monbiot: Biofuels - A Lethal Solution |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 08:29 AM Response to Original message |
1. yep-- I agree.... |
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efhmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
2. It would be true if biofuels were produced from only a few edible products. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 08:46 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Consumer awareness of the underlying issues is non-existent. |
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yourout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 08:49 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Amen..... |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 08:58 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. If that's the case we need to get some limits in place. |
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efhmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 09:48 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. As an organic, biodiversity advocate, I can tell you that this is not a |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 09:16 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. NOT if their manufacture is equal or worse than fossil fuels. |
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efhmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 09:57 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. I absolutely does not take as much energy to produce bioproducts |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 10:29 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. EROEI |
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efhmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 10:46 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Does this take into account the cost of getting the oil out of the ground and |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 10:52 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. I lived in Houston too. Where would those people work? |
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efhmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 11:05 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. That is a conudrum. I just meant to show the amount of people that are |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 11:11 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. EXACTLY. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 10:57 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. For oil it includes all extraction and transportation costs |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 10:39 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. I don't trust Archer Daniels Midland. |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 11:23 AM Response to Reply #2 |
25. My thoughts too |
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nealmhughes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 09:25 AM Response to Original message |
7. Monbiot has addressed this much earlier, especially loss of food production and the switch |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 09:30 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. It would be interesting |
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efhmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 10:01 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Agreed, but as usual the dimwit presenting the info to Americans hates |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 10:43 AM Response to Reply #7 |
15. Even if Ethanol WAS the answer... |
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efhmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 10:58 AM Response to Reply #15 |
20. I have had this conversation many times with those who seem to care |
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efhmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
12. An interesting site I used when I gave a presentation recently: |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 10:49 AM Response to Reply #12 |
17. This isn't about jobs or the economy. |
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efhmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 11:14 AM Response to Reply #17 |
23. You are right but you will find that most people just want |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 11:20 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Oh I don't disagree with you at all. |
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efhmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 03:26 PM Response to Original message |
26. I found this to be a very interesting discussion and recommended it. |
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