McCain's Attempts To Blame Bush's Failures On Clinton

[taquinas101]

McCain's attempt to excuse Bush's and his party's foreign policy failures on Clinton remind me of the resolution regarding Libya. Conservatives, of course, have used Libya as an example of why the invasion of Iraq was justified, i.e., dictators would be scared straight. However, if this is the case, how do they explain North Korea and Iran? Rather, as the article below explains, Libya reflects the triumph of Clinton's policies of engagement, and the repudiation of hawkish efforts to demand regime change or approach the negotiating table with numerous conditions attached.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13086.htm

I also really think that the media in an attempt to be "fair and balanced" says that the failure of the policies regarding Korea involve the prior administration. How so? Under Clinton, there was some dialogue with North Korea, we had international monitors in place, North Korea had not yet developed any Nukes, and we had not painted North Korea into a corner by actively advocating regime change and following through by invading Iraq.

Of course, in 2002, Bush includes North Korea in the axis of evil, and begins efforts to invade Iraq. The U.S. then accusses Korea of a secret nuclear program, then halts oil shipments. Korea then kicks out the nuclear inspectors, and removes nuclear monitors. Bush's response? He invades Iraq, the country dening that it has nuclear weapons, while ignoring North Korea, the country saying that it is about to begin enriching plutonium.

In 2003, the U.S. invades Iraq. North Korea begins processing plutonium.

In 2005, following Bush's first, North Korea announces that it has developed nuclear weapons.

In 2006, North Korea tests such a program with a sub-megaton detonation similar in size to several Indian nuclear tests.

Remarkably absent from both the Repubublican and Democratic discourse on the subject is China's involvement in Pakistan's development of nuclear weapons, and Pakistan in turn sharing this Chinese technology with North Korea.

[Kiouni]

1. Well said

The only argument i hear when they blaim it on the clinton admin. is that looky looky we didn't do anything for 6 years and now they got the bomb! well hey clintons plan didn't work because you waited six years. I don't understand how they can say this shit and think we believe it. WTF.

[WCGreen]

2. some one must believe it....

I think are trotting out the old arch Nemesis, Clinton, in order to rally their base...

And they will need all the rallying they can get since the sex scandal is upsetting to any true fundamentalist...

[Kiouni]

3. my favorite argument to the sex

scandel was from actually one of my Buisness instructures he told me that he believes the democrats are just as guilty for holding onto this till october. I said you think the dems are just as guilty as a peder-ass? Unfreakingbelievable.

[WCGreen]

6. Tell him if the dems had it....

Why wouldn't they wait until late October when there would be no time for the GOP to recover...

Why didn't they wait until everyone was out of town so that the GOP would have to reassemble in DC in order to take care of the mess cutting into their campaign time...

[rpannier]

4. One of the oddities that was discussed on an Egyptian TV station was this

Libya's decision to agree to the 'demands' of the west had many factors to it. The one I found most interesting was:
'Libya was on the finalist list to host the World Cup in 2012.
While they were a long shot, they had been told that they had no shot at being the host as long as there were sanctions imposed on them by countries like the UK and the US.
This was because, along with Scotland, England and the US, Brazil, Italy, Spain and France had all made it clear they would not attend the Cup in Libya with the sanctions in place.
Libya was hoping they might get it as there was a controversy that was brewing in South Africa about criminal dealings within the South African Federation.
If FIFA had balked at having South Africa be the Host, the commentators said the host would probably either be Egypt or Libya, or a joint hosting between the two ala Korea-Japan.'

You can put as much stock in what the Egyptian News reported on this as you want. But, hosting the World Cup is potentially worth nine figures in revenue, due to the tourism, etc it generates.
Plus, as Korea has shown since it's hosting in 2002, the spill over effect in tourism after the Cup is over is also worth millions of dollars.

[neuvocat]

5. McCain is a fucking idiot!

Never mind the fact that Rumsfeld oversaw the sale of a nuclear reactor to the North Koreans. Idiot.