Yes! We must wait until after BushCo attacks Iran to impeach (Sorry, posted in wrong forum)

[solara]

We would never get the votes in the Senate now and we sure don't want to take the chance that we might look stupid or worse.. It's obvious that abuse of power, embezzlement, murder, torture and treason are not enough to get the votes needed for impeachment. Even a lie about a blow job wasn't enough to get Clinton convicted, what makes anyone think all the lies from BushCo have any more weight? Surely, we learned our lesson with THAT one.

So, we all need to just sit back and chill. There is really nothing more we can do. Remember, we got a chance to speak out in November, isn't that enough?

Actually, I think it's a good thing that the government, with the help of the MSM, manages and contains the truth about all the bad stuff. Like about the lack of any real support for our troops, i.e. equipment, food, rest and training, who are being fed to the Iraq meat grinder,or about the scandalous lack of care and treatment for our maimed and injured troops here at home. I mean, who really wants to hear about the three large permanent American bases Haliburton has completed in Iraq? Or about the concentration camps that are open for business here at home? It's so hard to stomach the stories about the Katrina victims 18 months after the hurricane, and I really don't want to think about the Martial Law issue or the truth about 9/11.. it is way too creepy and kinda tin-foil-y.

I mean, everyone is getting way too serious lately and besides, no one really wants to hear about this stuff. It's not that we don''t care, it's just that we all have our own problems to deal with and, well, Brittany and Anna Nicole are so much more INTERESTING. And I don't know about you, but I am on pins and needles waiting to see who might actually DESERVE the Democratic nomination this time or more importantly, who gets axed this week from American Idol.

So, yeah, let's just wait and see what happens. Who knows? Maybe we won't even have to worry about elections in 2008. It will be a lot smarter to hold off on impeachment until AFTER we see the mushroom cloud....er.. um I mean the smoking gun.

:sarcasm:

[iconoclastic cat]

1. WHAT TH...oh, it's sarcasm, sorry. Carry on. nt

[GreenPartyVoter]

2. Yes, carry on indeed

[MannyGoldstein]

3. No.

It's the summary of the Congressional Democrats' secret plan for the next two years.

[pat_k]

4. Tragically, some actually believe such poppycock

A threat like Biden's threat to impeach if they bomb Iran is nothing but permission drop the bombs; a declaration that "We will not stop you." Once the bombs are dropped, the deed is done. Bush and Cheney have advanced the devastating agenda of their tiny fascist faction. That's all that matters to them.

Every time Bush and Cheney invoke unitary authoritarian power they declare their intent to willfully violate the Constitution. They've followed up that declaration by repeatedly, willfully, and publicly violating the Constitution. With each act, they write another article of impeachment against themselves and issue a challenge to Congress "We've just erased more of the Constitution. Stop us if you dare."

It really is tragic. The biggest barrier to impeachment is not the reactionary right -- it is the impeachment naysayers in our own ranks. The people who apparently believe in their own omniscience as they declare they "know" the outcome in the Senate, when it's impossible to know until Senators are forced to make a choice -- to stand with war criminals and defend the indefensible or toss them overboard (something Repubs are never reluctant to do when it suits them). We may well see the Repubs force Bush and Cheney out overnight to escape having to go on the record in support of men who have so outraged the nation. ("For the good of the Party"; to keep the White House in Republican hands; to show the nation they have the strength to stand up to Bush -- strength the Democratic leadership has so far failed to demonstrate.)

And even if a Member is sure it will be a "charge of the light brigade" they are duty-bound to act. The Congressional oath is an individual oath. Each and every Member has personal choice:

Impeachment or Impotence.

Duty or Complicity

Courage or Cowardice.

[solara]

5. Exactly.. a belief encouraged by BushCo's monsterous, insane 'legacy'n/t