"They hate us because of our freedoms." Is that a clue the WH is lying?

[Abe Linkman]

The Administration told the world that the "terrusts" attacked America because they hate us because of our freedoms. But, it makes little sense that "terrusts" in Afghanistan would try to pull off a 9-11 here in the United States. It seems to me if they really were planning an attack, they'd do it somewhere else...where the risks of the plan being thwarted would be far less. After all, they had no way to know that our entire Intelligence & National Security apparatus would "fail" on 9-11.

OBL/Al Queda don't care about our supposed "freedoms". They don't live here, and don't want to live here. Further, like bush, they have a strange notion of just how much "freedom" ordinary people should have, anyhow. And, if they did care about "freedoms", common sense says they would care about it where they live, and if they don't feel free THERE, then perhaps they might want to do something dramatic to call attention to their concern. But, it makes little sense to attack a country 10,000 miles away.

"They hate us...." sounds good to middle America, and does help prepare the public for being willing to give up a "limited" amount of our freedom in the greater cause of serving the interests of power-hungry politicians and corrupt corporate interests.

I think that line is another clue that the Gov't is lying to us about who is behind the 9-11 events.

[kalian]

1. Fine post....

and you're on the right track. We can then go onto the trash talk of
being "anti-American" when you oppose the imperialistic tendencies
of the current "administration".

[Liberal_Andy]

2. if they really "hated freedom", they'd turn themselves in.

n/t

[CJCRANE]

3. It's reverse psychology...

It's the right-wing bible-bashing neoconservatives who hate you because of your freedoms.

[CJCRANE]

5. As for Al-Qaeda

I don't think they're particularly bothered what you get up to in your own country, all their statements seem to mention retaliation for oppression in Palestine, Chechnya, Iraq etc.

[drb]

4. Actually, the best clue the White House is lying is when...

...you see their lips move. :D

[ochazuke]

6. It's a hideous lie

They just don't want us polluting their culture. They want the American military out of the Middle East. If they hated freedom, they would attack nations in Europe that are far more vulnerable than us.

"They hate our freedoms" is just another ad slogan from a corrupt regime that ironically doesn't even know what freedom is.

[number6]

7. Bush hates our freedom, proof , he's doing everything he can

to get rid of it .....eom.

[MikeGalos]

8. They're speaking

That's a clue the WH is lying!

[cowpie]

9. They hate us for a myriad of reasons

First of all our forces were considered to be occupiers in Saudi Arabia. Even though we were invited in by the Saudi Government the Sharia or Islamic law considers Christians and Jews infidels and of course the Arabian Penninsula is the holist of lands because it contains Mecca and Medina.
Secondly, in a poverty stricken world it is easy to drum up radicalism. Imams and Islamic authorites preach that Jihad is the making of war on the secular world. What bigger secular nation is there than the US?
Thirdly, how do you suppose the Japanese at Pearl Harbor knew the radar operator was a trainee and that the commander of the base would dismiss reports of incoming radar reflections? They didn't, it was coincidence and systemic problems.

[DulceDecorum]

13. The Saudis NEVER invited them

In fact, it would be more plausible to suppose that the aim of the massive Bush intervention has been to raise the price of oil, not to lower it. And considering Mr. Bush's vice presidential visit to Saudi Arabia specifically to urge them to raise prices, his long-time connections with Texas oil and with Big Oil generally, as well as Texas's slump in recent years, this hunch begins to look all too credible.
<snip>
The Rockefeller interest and other Western Big Oil companies have had intimate ties with the absolute royalties of Kuwait and Saudi Arabia ever since the 1930s. During that decade and World War II, King Ibn Saud of Saudi Arabia granted a monopoly concession on all oil under his domain to the Rockefeller-control-led Aramco, while the $30 million in royalty payments for the concession was paid by the U.S. taxpayer.
<snip>
As for Kuwait, its emir granted a monopoly oil concession to Kuwait Oil Co., a partnership of Gulf Oil and British Petroleum, in the 1930s, and by now Kuwait's immensely wealthy ruling Sabah family owns a large chunk of British Petroleum, and also keeps enormous and most welcome deposits at Rockefeller-oriented Chase Manhattan and Citibank.

Iraq, on the other hand, has long been a rogue oil country, in the sense of being outside the Rockefeller-Wall Street gambit. Thus, when the crisis struck on August 2, the big Wall Street banks, including Chase and Citibank, told reporters that they had virtually no loans outstanding, nor deposits owed, to Iraq.
http://www.mises.org/econsense/ch93.asp

Hence, it may well be that Mr. Bush's war is an oil war all right, but not in the sense of a heroic battle on behalf of cheap oil for the American consumer. George Bush, before he ascended to the vice presidency, was a member of the executive committee of David Rockefeller's powerful Trilateral Commission. Mr. Bush's own oil exploration company, Zapata, was funded by the Rockefeller family. So this Oil War may instead be a less-than-noble effort on behalf of Rockefeller control of Middle East.
Bechtel, the Rockefellers, and the Saudi royal family have long had an intimate connection. After the Saudis granted the Rockefeller dominated Aramco oil consortium the monopoly of oil in Saudi Arabia, the Rockefellers brought their pals at Bechtel in on the construction contracts. The Bechtel Corporation, of course, has also contributed George Shultz and Cap Weinberger to high office in Republican administrations. To complete the circle, KA (Kissinger Associates) director Simon's former boss Suliman Olayan was, in 1988, the largest shareholder in the Chase Manhattan Bank after David Rockefeller himself.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/ir/Ch27.html

If one would like to know American and British foreign policies for Saudi Arabia, Iran or Iraq, one need only study the policies of BP, Exxon, Gulf Oil and ARAMCO.
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With production of cheap Saudi oil soaring, so did the subsidy payments soar. This is one of the greatest scams perpetrated upon the American public. The bottom line of the plan was that huge foreign aid payments were made annually to the Saudis under the guise of "subsidies." When the Israeli government uncovered the scheme, it too, demanded "subsidies" which today amount to $13 billion per annum -- all at the expense of the American taxpayers.
http://www.choike.org/nuevo_eng/informes/1275.html

So much for the reasons for invasion.

The administration quickly developed a detailed plan that was signed by President Truman in 1949 as NSC 26/2 and later supplemented by a series of additional NSC directives. The plan, developed in coordination with the British government and American and British oil companies without the knowledge of governments in the region, called for moving explosives to the Middle East, where they would be stored for use. In case of a Soviet invasion, and as a last resort, the oil installations and refineries would be blown up and oil fields plugged to make it impossible for the Soviet Union to use the oil resources.

So great was the fear that the Soviets might exploit the region's oil that the administration considered deploying "radiological" weapons. Ultimately that option was rejected by the Central Intelligence Agency, as revealed in another recently declassified document, NSC 26/3, dated June 29, 1950. The explanation was this: "Denial of the wells by radiological means can be accomplished to prevent an enemy from utilizing the oil fields, but it could not prevent him from forcing 'expendable' Arabs to enter contaminated areas to open well heads and deplete the reservoirs.
http://www.bsos.umd.edu/sadat/publications/the_persian_gulf.htm

United States Secretly Deployed Nuclear Bombs In 27 Countries and Territories During Cold War
Newly declassified history reveals that the United States stationed nukes in "non-nuclear" Japan, Greenland and Iceland. Other countries unknowingly hosted U.S. nukes.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/19991020/

So much for friendship.

Saudi Arabia has wealth.
The so-called hijackers ALL came from wealthy families.
They had absolutely NO reason to "attack" the USA.
Furthermore,
these so-called hijackers were TRAINED by the US military on US bases.
http://www.madcowprod.com/index6.html
http://www.madcowprod.com/archive.html
So much for radicalism.

You mentioned religion.
Are you absolutely certain that you wish to compare Islam and its teachings with Christianity?
The judeo-christians invaded Iraq.
The judeo-christians have been bombing Iraq for the past decade.
The judeo-christians have lied about WMD.
This is a judeo-christian CRUSADE and Bush and Gen. Boykin both say so.

You also mentioned systemic problems.
You seem to think that this has something to do with Pearl Harbor.
You are wrong.
The attack on Pearl Harbor was expected, anticipated and planned for.
http://www.independent.org/tii/forums/000524ipfTrans.html#02
http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/article/id1488/pg2/

The U.S. military has a long tradition of conducting war games, not so much to predict whether a war will occur, but to figure out how to use new weapons, how to best organize the military and how political considerations might shape the conduct of war.
After World War II, Adm. Chester W. Nimitz commented that the war in the Pacific had been gamed so frequently at the Naval War College during the 1930s that "NOTHING THAT HAPPENED DURING THE WAR WAS A SURPRISE -- absolutely nothing except the kamikaze tactics towards the end of the war. We had not visualized these."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A58813-2001Jan28?language=printer

And as for the freedoms,
Patriot Act I and II have taken most of them away.
They are almost all gone.
Those terrorists must be falling in love with the US by now,
since the hated freedoms are no more.

[csc]

10. WHAT FREEDOMS?

THEY HATE US BECAUSE OF R FREEDOMS? WHAT FREEDOMS? if some bus hits me on the road guess what? pay up or shut up is what they'll tell me at the hospital EVEN IF IT WASNT MY FAULT we dont have any money because the government is giving it to CEOs and other rich people because of tax cuts. there are women in this country who have lives worse than 3rd world rats because no one will take care of the children that they had because there me took off on them. you going to tell me that some person in iraq is going to look at waitress with 4 kids in america and say "gimme some of that?" thats so wrong the arab world see us for our greed and division beteween the haves and have nots and are a sick of it as i am.

[csc]

11. I HATE BUSH

I HATE BUSH! I HATE HIM! HATE HATE HATE HIM! WHAT DO WE DO TO GET HIM AND THE REST OF THOSE IGNORANT SOUTHERN COWBOYS OUT OF CONGRESS, THE SENATE, AND THE WH?

[name not needed]

12. Troll

Go back to Freeperland. You're trying a little too hard there.