National Rifle Association urging immediate grassroots action on HB12

[1a2b3c]

http://www.ofccpac.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=756

Ohio's House of Representatives has passed House Bill 12, sponsored by Rep. Jim Aslanides, to allow law-abiding citizens who have taken a training course to obtain a permit to carry a concealed handgun for personal protection.

The Ohio Senate, however, passed a version of HB 12 that would require a permit holder traveling in a car with anyone under age 18 to secure his handgun in a locked box. This provision would make the firearm useless for self-defense and render the Right-to-Carry law meaningless.

[MrBenchley]

1. Inbred dimwits all across the state

begin grunting and thumping their chests....

[Fescue4u]

2. Yea, Those Anti-gun Zealots

Are about as dimwitted as they get arent they?

[MrBenchley]

4. Nope, talking about the sort of pinheads who belong to the NRA

You know, gun nuts....

[Fescue4u]

6. Yeah, Those Civil Rights rascals sure are nutty.

I will never understand the NRA, what is with them anyway?- Always bitching about how the Bill of Rights get ignored and how our civil rights are trampled on...

[MrBenchley]

11. Civil Rights? What have YOU been smoking?

The NRA is a racist bunch of right wing loonies.

Ted Nugent as a latter day Martin Luther King...that's rich! There's no pantload too dishonest for the RKBA crowd, is there?

[Fescue4u]

17. Yes Civil rights.

So I see that you feel the same way about the 2nd ammendment, as the freepers do about the 1st.

Yes, the ENTIRE Bill of Rights is about Civil rights.

Ignore any one of them at our peril.

[MrBenchley]

18. Hahahahahahahaha!

Gotta admit, that is one of the silliest notions I've seen in a long time....the NRA is a civil rights organization.

"So I see that you feel the same way about the 2nd ammendment, as the freepers do about the 1st."
Not me...I think every state ought to have a well-regulated militia...and they do. It's called the National Guard.

[Fescue4u]

19. You are not the first to laugh at civil rights.

The KKK laughs at the notion that blacks are entitled to rights under the Bill of Rights as well.

Bushs laughs at the notion that we are all entitled to privacy and the right to due process.

Go ahead and laugh...you have alot of company.

[MrBenchley]

21. Too too funny.....the NRA as Civil Rights group

Guess the RKBA crowd isn't even trying to sound plausible anymore.....

[Fescue4u]

28. Keep laughing. The KKK, Neo-Nazis and other hates groups are joining you.

As you laugh and ridicule the Bill of Rights.

[MrBenchley]

29. Where's that? At gun shows?

That's the best place to find "The KKK, Neo-Nazis and other hates groups"...oh yeah, AND the NRA....

Peddle it to someone dumb enough to buy it...

Even funnier, go on up to the civil rights folder and tell them up there what guardians of civil rights the NRA is....

[Fescue4u]

38. I don't know... Where do you anti-bor people hang out?

I've never seen a KKK, nor neo-nazi nor any other hate group at a gun-show.

But you tell me since you are a member.

Where do the people who wish to deny certain people their rights guaranteed to them hang out? Coffee shops perhaps?

I believe all people should be allowed to exercise ALL their rights guaranteed until the consitition.

[MrBenchley]

44. Gee, just about everybody else who goes to gun shows sees them

They're one of the first things sane people notice....

"Mask any surprise or disbelief. This will serve you particularly well when you're looking over some of the tables dotted with Swastika patches and white supremacist offerings, like The Turner Diaries and literature that denies the Holocaust."

http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2003/05_15/news_upfront1.html

"Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh used to go to gun shows and sell Pierce's "The Turner Diaries." The book is about a race war that ends with every person of color around the globe exterminated by armies of whites."

http://www.progressive.org/Media%20Project%202/mpjj3002.html

"Van Dusen said that while he had not heard of the World Church of the Creator before last weekend, the group apparently recruits members at gun shows, he said. That, Van Dusen said, is a clear indication that weapons sales at gun shows need to be better regulated. "

http://archives.pioneerlocal.com/cgi-bin/ppo-story/archives/localnews/1999/sk/07-08-99-280470.html

"He also said members of his office have found K.K.K. hats and NAZI war materials at these shows.
"Gun shows are the biggest depository of hate literature in this county," Yaroslavsky said. "

http://sundial.csun.edu/sun/99f/99f/101199ne01.htm

And here's some RKBA "enthusiasts" speaking for themselves:

"If you are a vendor at flea markets or gun shows that sells KKK novelties or collectibles and would like to try to expand your sales you can list your items here also. Wholesalers welcome."

http://www.kkklan.com/k-bay.htm

[Fescue4u]

46. Well, as long as you know where to find your peers.

Personally, I try to avoid those kind of people.

[MrBenchley]

51. Not MY peers, fes....that's the RKBA crowd

in all their glory.

[Fescue4u]

39. As to your guardians questions...

The NRA plays to role of guardians of the civil right guaranteed under the 2nd ammendment.

Its the one right after the 1st, and right before the 3rd.

[MrBenchley]

45. Rrubbish...

The NRA serves as the lobbying arm of the corrupt gun industry...and nothing more.

[Fescue4u]

47. Oh yes it is a lobbying arm...

But it is of millions of members.

Actually Im not even a member, but this discussion today reminds me of why I should join - Because there people out there who want to destroy the Bill of Rights, 1 ammendment at time.

[jody]

48. Institute for Legislative Action (ILA) is the “lobbying” arm of NRA eom

[MrBenchley]

50. Nothing but right wing nuts ovdr there.....

"it is of millions of members"
According to the NRA....which routinely lies.

[1a2b3c]

23. Something tells me

That when they said "militia" they didnt mean a government controlled one.

[MrBenchley]

30. Yeah, surrrrrrrrrre......

Shouldn't listen to right wing nutcases....like NRA life member John AshKKKroft. He's the chief proponent of this revisionist crap.

[1a2b3c]

34. I dont

I just think that the founding fathers didnt plan on giving the government control of the militia. As i recall from history, they didnt trust the government and tried to limit its power. Does this sound like the type that would want the government to control the last line of defense from a tyranical government?

[jody]

27. Congress acknowledged RKBA is a civil right when it passed the

law saying:

QUOTE
What constitutes a conviction of such a crime shall be determined in accordance with the law of the jurisdiction in which the proceedings were held. Any conviction which has been expunged, or set aside or for which a person has been pardoned or has had civil rights restored shall not be considered a conviction for purposes of this chapter, unless such pardon, expungement, or restoration of civil rights expressly provides that the person may not ship, transport, possess, or receive firearms.
UNQUOTE

See "TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 44 > Sec. 921. - Definitions"

The act of restoring "civil rights" includes RKBA and the act of taking away "civil rights" includes RKBA.

[MrBenchley]

31. Yeah, surrrrrrrrrrre......

Keep spinning, jody....

[Spoonman]

42. Blind to the truth

Jody,

Some zealots out there only see the things that appear to support their opinion.

This is blinding them with facts and truths, NOW STOP IT!
YOU BIG BULLY!

[1a2b3c]

22. You know i dont really think the NRA members are the problem

Its more like the leaders. The people who are members do it for many sporting reasons. I think you have to be an NRA member to participate in many NRA shooting events. Then you have sportsmen who want to perserve their sport of hunting or shooting clays.

[demsrule4life]

20. First the entire south now Ohio

My wife is from ohio and a better person then you could ever be.

[LastDemInIdaho]

54. What is your so-called "point"?

How did you become an expert on inbreeding and respect for the 2nd amendment?

[liberalhistorian]

3. I'm really surprised that this hasn't passed in Ohio

yet, since we're a really conservative state and the reps from the more rural, gun-oriented areas hold most of the clout in the state government.

Six weeks ago, I would have been foaming at the mouth at the thought of this passing in any way, shape, or form. But since my robbery experience, I've really changed in regards to this issue. Nothing like having the cold barrel of a gun being shoved in your ribs and then your neck, and having NOTHING to protect or defend yourself with while the pond scum low-life who's got your life in his hands has the weapon and all the power, to change your perspective!

I'm checking out the best place in my area for firearms training, btw, I've never even held a gun before so it should be interesting!

[Fescue4u]

8. I agree...it is suprising

Ohio stands out like a sore thumb on this issue.

Ironically, progress on this issue has been held up by Republican governors. Both the current and previous Republican governors ran on promises to grant carry laws, but both quickly backed off after gaining office.

Even more Ironic, the best chance to get a Democrat Governor in Ohio now is proably a Dem who is true right to carry advocate.

[Paschall]

5. Since when is DU bandwith used to organize for the NRA?

Did you clear this with the admins?

[Fescue4u]

7. I didnt interpet this as an NRA organizing effort

But rather support for Ohio HB 12.

HB 12 is has been around for awhile now, and it looks like the NRA itself is now signing on to it.

I figure the more the better. Why look a gift horse in the mouth when it comes to civil rights?

[1a2b3c]

13. Last i had heard

The NRA was avoiding HB 12 like the plague. I wonder if they changed their minds on 1144(i think its 1144) in California too?

[1a2b3c]

12. You could mind your own business or read someone elses thread.

This has more to do with concealed carry in Ohio than the NRA. You dont like the NRA? Good for you, be sure to let the admins know.

[MrBenchley]

16. Gee, he has a perfectly valid point...

There's no reason to let you "enthusiasts" pimp for the NRA.....

[1a2b3c]

24. Maybe you missed my valid point so i will spell it out....again

This thread was about HB 12 and not the NRA. I borrowed the title from the article. The article was to be used as information on HB 12.

[MrBenchley]

25. What are the first three words of the thread, again?

"The article was to be used as information on HB 12."
Surrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre.......

[1a2b3c]

26. And where did i get those first three words of the thread from?

Cut&Paste from the article.

[MrBenchley]

32. And what do they say?

[1a2b3c]

35. The heading of the article?

It reads: "National Rifle Association urging immediate grassroots action on HB12"

What do the snips i took from the article say?

[MrBenchley]

36. Too funny...

What's next? British intelligence says the National Rifle Association urges..."?

[1a2b3c]

37. You didnt answer my question yet.

What did the 2 snips say? Was there anything mentioning the NRA or was it all about HB 12?

[MrBenchley]

40. Here's the first words of the article you linked to...

"Ohio NRA members' various October magazines will be hitting mailboxes this week. They contain a bonus - a letter containing the following text will be inserted into every magazine:"

[1a2b3c]

41. Wow thats good benchly

So now are you going to tell me what the snips i provided said or are we gonna just do this all day?

[MrBenchley]

43. So it's NRA propaganda

Who cares what "gems" you snipped frrom it?

[1a2b3c]

49. because the "gems"

Were the important part.

[MrBenchley]

52. Yeah, surrrrrrrrrre....

[1a2b3c]

53. What a pantload

try selling this to someone dumb enough to buy it.

Ohh yeah, and cry me a river while youre at it.

[MrBenchley]

55. You mean everybody too smart to fall for NRA propaganda

[1a2b3c]

56. cry me a pantload

and float it down the river.

[MrBenchley]

57. Better yet...cram your NRA propaganda where it belongs

[MrBenchley]

15. You'd be amazed at what the RKBA crowd peddles

down here in the gun dungeon...

[RoeBear]

9. OMFG...

...that is the most ridiculous provision that I have ever seen tacked onto a CCW law!

"The Ohio Senate, however, passed a version of HB 12 that would require a permit holder traveling in a car with anyone under age 18 to secure his handgun in a locked box. This provision would make the firearm useless for self-defense and render the Right-to-Carry law meaningless."


Why not just require the gun to be incased in lucite?

[Rainbowreflect]

10. How does having to have the gun in a lock box only when there is

ANYONE UNDER 18 YEARS OF AGE make the right-to-carry law meaningless?
I know people want to pin the "wants to take you guns away" lable on many liberals, but wanting protection & saftey for children when it comes to guns is not a bad idea.
If you don't want to lock up your gun in you car don't have kids, problem solved.

[1a2b3c]

14. its just stupid

Why would it be needed might be a better question that maybe you could answer. There is no way in hell a kid is going to lift up your shirt, reach into your pants, and pull a gun out and use it. This was just put in there as a roadblock to keep the bill from passing.

The bigger danger would come from having to handle your gun every time you get in and out of your car. Accidental firing from constant handling and unloading and loading of your gun is more dangerous than driving your kid to school with a gun hidden in your purse.

[DoNotRefill]

58. So, you're saying...

it's OK for adults to have concealed guns to protect themselves, but they can't have a concealed gun to protect themselves and an infant? Sounds like age discrimination to me... If the law was set up so that you couldn't leave an unlocked gun with somebody under 18 when there was no adult present, I'd have much less of a problem with it. That's not what this law does.

[Township75]

33. Another state to become Right To Carry...

and the anti gunners on this site will tell you that more people do not support CCW.

This would be at least the 4rth state this year to become RTC.