N.J. Lawmakers Press Pellet-Gun Bill

[1a2b3c]

In early September, a 13-year-old boy was shot in the leg by police Capt. James Brady after the teenager refused to drop what appeared to be a real gun. The weapon was actually a toy "Air Soft" gun that shoots rubber pellets.

The legislation introduced by Assemblymen Gary Guear (D-Mercer) and Peter Barnes (D-Middlesex) would ban the sale or possession of any air, gas, or spring-powered gun that looks like a real gun.

In addition, the measure calls for penalties ranging from a $15,000 fine and five years in prison for selling such devices and a fine of up to $10,000 and 18 months in prison for possession.

[MrBenchley]

1. Sounds good to me

[Spoonman]

4. How on earth

can anyone revel in the shooting of a 13 year boy?

[1a2b3c]

5. Thats gun-control logic for you.

[Fescue4u]

6. Because.. Gun control is not about guns..

Its about control.

I find it truly appalling that the Gun Control Zealots revel in the deaths of children and other innocents in their attempts stomp all over our civil rights.

[Spoonman]

8. Be careful Fesc

You might get told your a "right wing disruptor" if you point out the zealots love of parading victims.

That's what I was told in another thread.:cry: :eyes:

[MrBenchley]

7. Beats me...

You'd have to ask some nutccase in the RKBA crowd...

[Spoonman]

9. The only drum I hear

beating is yours!

On with the parade!

[Township75]

10. The one man parade.*

*

[MrBenchley]

11. Gee, spoon.....

Surprised you can hear anything with the din of those crickets....

[Spoonman]

30. For heavens sake MrB

If your going to attack, at least attack the one who made the statement.

Re-read the cricket post, then go cry me river of apologies, if your ego can handle it.

[MrBenchley]

39. Gee, spoon....

If I attacked, you'd know it. I'm just amused by how many of the RKBA crowd seem to be bug-infested lately.

[Spoonman]

46. Once again

I'm shaking, and I'm amused that the grabbers can't ever get their facts straight.

[MrBenchley]

47. You and Pellet Gun Bill

watch out for the crickets, spoon.

[MrBenchley]

12. Hey spoon

You tell us....

"How on earth can anyone revel in the shooting of a 13 year boy?"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=10507#10679


"slackmaster (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-18-03 06:34 PM
Response to Original message
9. He tried to shoot himself and missed?
Poor kid can't get anything right."

[Township75]

13. Typical anti gun delusion...

Spoon joked about a kid being a bad shot, not killing himself...you obviously were commenting on the shooting of a 13 year old boy.

Cmon, Bench...think of the children next time:cry:

[MrBenchley]

18. I guess that's RKBA "logic"

thinking that a comment in a thread TITLED "N.J. Lawmakers Press Pellet-Gun Bill" that discusses the hows and whys of the pellet gun bill is about anything but the pellet gun bill....

Or did you guys think the kid's name was Pellet-gun Bill, like Pegleg Pete?

[iverglas]

21. stop, you're killing me

Now I have to pee.

[MrBenchley]

27. Everybody sing!

Pellet-gun Bill
Pellet-gun Bill
If the cops don't get him
The laws to protect "stupid people" will

Bill was just an innocent kid
Who shouldn't have missed the way the other one did
And that's not gloating in any way about
Pellet-gun Bill...

[iverglas]

31. Heeeeey, Pellet-Gun Bill

Who did you kill,
Pellet-Gun Bill?

Hey, Pellet-Gun Bill,
Who did you kill,
Pellet-Gun Bill?


(Now, I have to go look up some words.)


He went out tiger hunting with his elephant and gun.
In case of accidents he always took his mum.
He's the all-American bullet-headed saxon mother's son.

(All the children sing)

Hey Pellet-Gun Bill,
What did you kill Pellet-Gun Bill?
Hey Pellet-Gun Bill,
What did you kill Pellet-Gun Bill?


No adaptations required even.

I don't recognize yours. You wouldn't recognize mine if I sang it.

But this is jolly good fun, I must say. Between you and Spentastic (maybe they accidentally shot themselves, maybe they were reading it in wingdingese ...), it's been a gas, but speaking of which, I now have to go get that emissions test done and hope I don't get caught driving with expired plates on my way there.


oo, oo, don't want to omit this one though:


Deep in the jungle where the mighty tiger lies,
Bill and his elephants were taken by surprise.
So Captain Marvel zapped him right between the eyes.

Hey, Pellet-Gun Bill!
...




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[MrBenchley]

33. If looks could kill

it would have been us instead of them...

Catch you later...hope you pass the test.

[Spoonman]

35. And even more compassion from those

who *claim* to to be the “humanitarians” fighting to end incidents like this.

As anyone can see – the enlightened LOVES to revel in the misfortune of the victims.

[MrBenchley]

37. Cry us a frigging river, spoon....

Always funny to see crocodile tears...

[Spentastic]

41. The Ballad of Pellet Gun Bill

There once was a man name of Pellet Gun Bill
If it were not for NJ Lawmakers he'd be with us still.
But to a sticky end young Billy did come
When he was pressed to give up his precious gun.

"From my cold dead hands" poor Billy did cry.
"O.K" said the sheriff and shot him in the eye
As into the dirt Billy's blood did run
The sheriff cooly blew the smoke from his gun

Now this might seem to be the story's end
But out from the shadows came the late pellet Billy's friend
He said to the cop "well Billy's up Boot hill"
"Cos, that what happens if you Press Pellet-Gun Bill"

I thank you

[MrBenchley]

42. Encore!

LOL!!

[Spoonman]

32. A desperate spin even for you

It’s called sarcasm, joking or injecting a little humor into a sad situation, and even though you know it, you still try to load your gun with it.

Your post was none of the above, and clearly demonstrates the callused attitude that causes so many Democrats to disassociate themselves from the “party image” that demonstrates it.

[MrBenchley]

34. No, spoon...

It's called gloating over the death of a 13 year old...which slack is clearly doing.

[Spoonman]

36. Not even close

You gleeful little comment was pathetic.

As for Slack, try again, your like the little child that got caught in the cookie jar – but Billy to one too!!!

Sorry, anyone can see your love of another’s misfortune to amplify your stance.

And it's sad…

[MrBenchley]

40. Right on the money, spoon, as your crying shows....

slackmaster (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-18-03 06:34 PM
Response to Original message
9. He tried to shoot himself and missed?
Poor kid can't get anything right.

[Township75]

44. And once again....

a child dies and what is the anti gun response:

"Sounds good to me" Mr. Benchley.

[Spentastic]

45. How do you know?

There's no info to state the child dies. He was shot in the leg.

[MrBenchley]

48. Shhhh....

Those pesky facts will ruin the RKBA crowd's phony outrage.....

[Name removed]

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[jody]

3. Next ban "rubber bands and paper clips". eom

[Pert_UK]

14. BANGS HEAD ON WALL......

1. As far as I can tell Mr Benchley said "It sounds good to me" in response to the banning of pellet guns. He was then crushed in an avalanche of people criticising him for revelling in the shooting of a 13 year old boy, which puzzles me. Talk about over-reaction and misinterpretation.

2. "Let's ban elastic bands and paper clips next". A totally absurd comment. The ban is not being suggested due to the lethal potential of pellet guns, the ban is being suggested because somebody is trying to stop kids getting shot.

Kid gets hold of pellet gun, waves it at cop / store owner / neighbour. Cop / store owner / neighbour thinks it's a real gun and shoots kid.

Result - one dead kid+ruined family. One probable "justifiable homicide" verdict and the knowledge that you've killed a kid (or a jail sentence and the same regrets).

Somebody has suggested a ban on pellet guns to prevent this happening again. It may not be the best solution, you may not agree with it, you may not like it......

But for FUCK'S SAKE try and argue about it a bit better than that......even I could have trotted out a few decent arguments against a ban on pellet guns, but instead you descend into gibberish.

No offense intended, it's been a long day and I'm going home now.....

[iverglas]

15. thank you

I'll bet my day's been longer, and I can't go home yet ... because I'm loitering around here and haven't worked ...

"1. As far as I can tell Mr Benchley said "It sounds good to me" in response to the banning of pellet guns. He was then crushed in an avalanche of people criticising him for revelling in the shooting of a 13 year old boy, which puzzles me. Talk about over-reaction and misinterpretation."

I had just managed to figure out what the din was supposedly all about when I happened down to your post.

Do you suppose that anyone could really, possibly, not have understood that he was referring to the actual point of the post? Could it be that some are, themselves, so practised in the practice of avoiding the points of posts that they now actually do read other people's posts as if they were as bizarrely tangential as their own? That they really can't follow the thread of a thread from the initial post to the first reply??

Well, now that I mention it, yeah. I suppose that it is possible.

As for Jody's quip ... thankfully, I hadn't even started to try to figure it out yet when I read your dismissal of it. Hmm. She's fond of writing posts consisting of headers only (a peculiarly iVillage habit, in my experience). Do you suppose that she thinks that all posts can be absorbed and cogently responded to after merely reading the header? In that case, her reply might make a glimmering of sense ... hey, it's possible.

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[Spentastic]

16. Funniest thing I've seen in a while.

I'm sick I tell ya sick!

Oh wait a minute I must have misunderstood myself.

Unless there is a disease called non sequiteuritis I'm at an absolute loss to see how this:

"In early September, a 13-year-old boy was shot in the leg by police Capt. James Brady after the teenager refused to drop what appeared to be a real gun. The weapon was actually a toy "Air Soft" gun that shoots rubber pellets.



The legislation introduced by Assemblymen Gary Guear (D-Mercer) and Peter Barnes (D-Middlesex) would ban the sale or possession of any air, gas, or spring-powered gun that looks like a real gun.



In addition, the measure calls for penalties ranging from a $15,000 fine and five years in prison for selling such devices and a fine of up to $10,000 and 18 months in prison for possession."

Followed by this:

"Sounds good to me"

Could lead to this:

"How on earth can anyone revel in the shooting of a 13 year boy?"

The only thing I can think of is that someone is wearing dirty glasses and actually saw this:

"In early September, a 13-year-old boy was shot in the leg by police Capt. James Brady after the teenager refused to drop what appeared to be a real gun. The weapon was actually a toy "Air Soft" gun that shoots rubber pellets.



The legislation introduced by Assemblymen Gary Guear (D-Mercer) and Peter Barnes (D-Middlesex) would ban the sale or possession of any air, gas, or spring-powered gun that looks like a real gun.



In addition, the measure calls for penalties ranging from a $15,000 fine and five years in prison for selling such devices and a fine of up to $10,000 and 18 months in prison for possession."

Followed by

"Sounds good to me"

So if you ignore the heading of the post and 90% of the text and the entire point of the article it is possible to infer that Benchley likes seeing kids shot. Otherwise, how are we allowed to say it in this forum?

I believe the gentlemen have got their facts wrong.

As for banning paper clips and rubber bands, since Jody seems to have an endless supply of "statistics", I'd like to see how many children have been shot by police for brandishing these implements. Otherwise I'm beginning to fear for the sanity of a few people in these parts.

[iverglas]

20. non-sequituritis, you say

How's this one?

Pert says:
BANGS HEAD ON WALL......

... and attempts to vaccinate the assembled crowd against that dread disease.


Then demsrule4life says:
stupid people are everywhere

... and ... is NOT talking about the people in this thread. Almost too much of a coincidence to believe.

I'd thought for a moment that demsrule4life had truly come down with an acute case of sequituritis, or maybe of actual responding-to-point fever, either of which would have been a very salutary thing, but alas and alack, 'twas not to be. Which answered my question about how s/he planned to get around that little 'personal attack' rule.

I must warn you. I'm so tired I can hardly focus on what I'm typing (and have a couple more pages to go to meet a 10 a.m. deadline) -- and these are not the best conditions for hitting me with a few paragraphs in wingdingese. I almost tried to read it.

.

[demsrule4life]

22. Nope was not attacking anybody on this board

I arrested a black guy one time that accused me of busting him for being black, I told him I only bust stupid people.

[iverglas]

23. CAN ANYONE BE

this ________________ ?

(You're going to have to fill in the blank for yourselves.)

Did you read the thread AT ALL?

READ Pert's post.

IF you had been referring to a whole lot of people in this thread when you referred to "stupid people" being everywhere, you would have been absolutely, unassailably CORRECT -- and that would not by any stretch of a sensitive moderator's imagination have been an "attack"! (Unless said people had only been trying to LOOK stupid in order to make Benchley look evil ... which ... when you think about it ... is really pretty stupid anyhow.)

Note how I'm not naming any stupid people ... and, for the really stupid people, I'm not calling Benchley evil. (I say this sorta like throwing spilled salt over my shoulder, in a desperate attempt to ward off devils.)

I think jody's trick may be just the trick here. Only read the subject lines ... it might work like throwing salt.

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[demsrule4life]

24. Pert said

"Somebody has suggested a ban on pellet guns to prevent this happening again. It may not be the best solution, you may not agree with it, you may not like it......"

And I say more and more laws are passed because of stupid people. If you get right down to the no nonsense common sense of the thing laws are needed because of stupid people. It is a real shame that these laws have to affect all the non stupid people.

[Spentastic]

25. Amazing

"And I say more and more laws are passed because of stupid people."

You say that do you? In that case it must be true. I'm afraid in the real world you have to back up such statements with evidence. I must have missed the recent imposition of all these stupidity laws.

This story is about a 13 yr old CHILD who was shot by a policeman who believed he was in danger. He thought he was in danger because the CHILD had a toy. Removing toys that resemble weapons will mitigate the chances of policemen shooting children playing with toys. Now since that logically follows and doesn't involve any mention of either protaganists IQ, could my reasoning in fact be better than yours?

I'm not going to provide any evidence I'm just going to say, "Because I said so"

[demsrule4life]

26. Yea I say so

working law enforcement from 73-02 I don't need any studies to know that stupid people commit crimes and people that are acting stupid always find ways to get themselves or others killed. I went on a call once where a stupid kid was not invited to a party and he decided to come back with a real looking pellet pistol and threatend the kids at the party. When I arrived stupid kid decided that when a real .45 was pointing at him he had a moment of clarity and dropped the gun. Did I think afterwords that pellet pistols should be banned? No.

[Spentastic]

28. O.K

What else do you think? I'll start codifying the laws of demsrule4life and the world will suddenly become a better place.

Do pellet guns have to look like real guns? Would you want children playing with toys that look like real guns?

I don't see the problem with removing a problem.

[demsrule4life]

29. But where is the problem?

A few isolated incidents don't make a problem. There are far more 13-16 year old gang bangers out there carrying real guns for me to worry about then one kid in a million acting stupid with a pellet pistol.

[demsrule4life]

50. This is a stupid person

but he was smart enough to know that he should not breed more of the same.
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_822069.html?menu=news.latestheadlines

[MrBenchley]

51. So, dems....

It's your opinion that specimens like this should be armed?

Ho-kay. I guess that's what passes for RKBA "logic."

[demsrule4life]

52. Is this the reason you aren't armed?

[MrBenchley]

53. Gee, dems, you might as well shift to a personal attack

It's not like you got anything intelligent to add....

[demsrule4life]

17. Stupid people are everywhere

Back in the old days nature would of taken care of them or our medical knowledge would not of been able to save them. Now today stupid people live longer lives to commit more stupid acts. So of course we have to make new laws that effect everybody to protect all the stupid people.

[MrBenchley]

19. Didn't you know?

"an avalanche of people criticising him for revelling in the shooting of a 13 year old boy"
.....without phony issues, the RKBA would have nothing to stand on at all....

[Name removed]

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[Spentastic]

43. Why would

A person of your calibre ask such a question?

[iverglas]

49. okay I'm back

And I'm emission-free, and I have one question I'd like to get out before I go back to spitting my diet coke. (You, I think, with that 5-hour advantage, are well into harder stuff.)

Did you really just go and open a new account, just so that you could ask yourself that question?


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on edit: wow, the post and poster were gone before I could blink.

I think they deserve immortality, though. May I beg indulgence? Spentastic's fine question has no mark to hit without them, and after all, it *is* Friday afternoon.




7.62 (1 posts) . . . . . Response to Original message

38. Why didn't..............

the kid just drop the gun as the police officer requested?



Now you read Spentastic's response:


43. Why would

A person of your calibre ask such a question?



I suppose it couldn't be truly *original*, around here ...

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