Colorado Gun Shop Arms NJ Criminals

[MrBenchley]

Here's why Federal gun control laws are such a good idea....

"Christie said that for the third straight year, the murder rate in Newark has risen as has the number of handguns recovered.

"The rise in violence and unlawful gun possession corresponds directly to a substantial increase in documented gang activity beginning in 1999," he said.
The indictment released in Newark yesterday charges that Roy Campbell legally bought 86 handguns in Colorado in early 2000 and returned to sell them on the streets of New Jersey, where authorities said many ended up in the hands of gang members. Almost all of the weapons were purchased at an Aurora, Colo., pawn shop renowned for selling "Saturday night specials" or "junk guns" in large quantities, officials said.
Campbell, who did not have the federal firearms license needed to sell the weapons, reaped a profit of $100 or more for every gun, authorities said.
The grand jury charged Campbell, 39, with a single count of illegal firearm sales. He faces a maximum of five years in prison. He was free yesterday on $100,000 bail. "

http://www.nj.com/search/index.ssf?/base/news-10/1063866652166790.xml?starledger?ntop

[CO Liberal]

1. He Should Have Been Charged With 86 Counts

One for each gun. With a mazimum of 430 years in prison (86 guns x 5 years each).

[MrBenchley]

2. Christie is a GOP hack

whose "qualification" for the job is that he's raised a lot of funds.... he's got no useful experience at all.

[RoeBear]

3. This should have bigger headlines.

Scream it across newspapers everywhere; if you're a gun runner you're going to get caught and sent to jail. Make people realize it isn't worth a profit of $100 a gun to go to jail. And make the penalty bigger.

[MrBenchley]

4. Gee, roe....

But if you sell to gun-runners, like this thug in Colorado does...expect the industry to spend millions on propaganda for the RKBA crowd to parrot, trying to protect your right to do so.

[RoeBear]

5. I expect them to continue to protect...

...my rights. And I expect law enforcement to do their job. Stopping gun runners isn't that hard. ATF can follow a gun back to it's sale, if they find out a person has sold two guns that were used in crime, invertigate and prosecute.

(edited because I spelled rights wrong)

[MrBenchley]

8. And I expect

more corruption and lies....and gun shops like this one in Colorado arming criminals until we Democrats step in...

[MrBenchley]

9. Gee, I expect

more corruption and lies....and gun shops like this one in Colorado arming criminals until we Democrats step in...

[demsrule4life]

6. Your heading is not correct

Campbell armed your gangs not the gunshop in Co.

[MrBenchley]

7. Peddle it to someone dumb enough to believe it, dems

[demsrule4life]

10. Cry me a river

From your link


The indictment released in Newark yesterday charges that Roy Campbell legally bought 86 handguns in Colorado in early 2000 and returned to sell them on the streets of New Jersey, where authorities said many ended up in the hands of gang members

So no your heading is not correct.

[MrBenchley]

11. Guess you missed the relevant part

"Almost all of the weapons were purchased at an Aurora, Colo., pawn shop renowned for selling "Saturday night specials" or "junk guns" in large quantities, officials said. "
That's the sort of thing I mean when I talk about the corrupt gun industry arming criminals with the help of the GOP...

[demsrule4life]

12. No you missed the relevant part

that he legally bought the guns in Co. Then he himself decided to break the law and illeagly transport the guns across state lines and sold them in NJ.

[MrBenchley]

13. I didn't miss anything, dems...

Now go pimp for the corrupt gun industry to someone who gives a shit..

[demsrule4life]

14. I dont have to pimp for anyone

since Iam right and you are wrong.

[MrBenchley]

15. Sure you do, dems...

"Iam right and you are wrong"
Are you going to pretend now that the store in Colorado is not a magnet for lowlifes like this guy?

[demsrule4life]

16. What if they are?

If they were selling guns illeagly I would be the first to say close them down and throw them in jail, but your link said the guns were sold leaglly, so Mr Campbell is the criminal.

[MrBenchley]

17. And that's okay with you?

Nuff said. Evidently you have no problem with the corrupt gun industry arming criminals.

[demsrule4life]

19. The gun shop might be scummy

But as far as I can tell they followed federal laws and sold the guns legally. Mr Campbell is the criminal and deserves to be in prison longer then what he got.

[MrBenchley]

21. "Might be?"

Hand us a big big big laugh.

"they followed federal laws"
And corrupt thugs like this spend millions making sure those laws remain ineffective, thanks to the GOP.

[DocSavage]

18. Accept personal Responsiblity

come on, you know the gun nuts that want to ban all firearms (and now pelet guns apparently) will always blame the gun industry or the store, never the person or persons that broke the law.

Of course noting the fact that this POS broke numerous laws (federal and State) does no good. You know that these laws prevent this kind of thing.

[MrBenchley]

20. Gee, doc, I hold the store responsible

for selling the guns.

It's wonderful to see the RKBA crowd pimp for the corrupt gun industry.

[demsrule4life]

22. And Mcdonalds made me fat

Nobody is responsible for anything anymore. All the problems in the usof a is caused by the corrupt gun industry, food industry, alcohol industry, drug industry, tobacco industry and auto industry. All individuals have been corrupted by these industrys and are not responsible for their actions.

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[MrBenchley]

25. Go cry to some right wing loony

"Nobody is responsible for anything anymore."
Especially not the RKBA crowd....

[DocSavage]

23. Store?

I am suprised that you are not holding Gateway, Intell or hell Microsoft responsible for us defenders of the Bill of Rights being able to express our views. While you are at it, blame law schools for teaching lawyers (who become judges) the importance of the 2nd ammendment.

The fault of this crime lies squarly with the individual that was buying the guns and re-selling them.

[MrBenchley]

26. Yeah, the store that sells cheap guns in bulk, doc...

Now go snivel about it to someone who cares....

[DoNotRefill]

28. What store...

sells cheap handguns in bulk?

what happened to the requirement that stores that sell two handguns to the same party in 5 days must report the transaction to ATF?

[MrBenchley]

29. Refill...

Go peddle your fantasies to someone who gives a crap.

[RoeBear]

31. Benchley...

...did you think he made that up?

[MrBenchley]

32. Roe....

I'd hate to even pretend I know what's percolating through the empty skulls of the RKBA crowd....

[slackmaster]

33. Why don't you answer the question, Benchley?

"what happened to the requirement that stores that sell two handguns to the same party in 5 days must report the transaction to ATF?"

[MrBenchley]

35. Hahahahahahahaha....

"Almost all of the weapons were purchased at an Aurora, Colo., pawn shop renowned for selling "Saturday night specials" or "junk guns" in large quantities, officials said. "

[slackmaster]

37. Why don't you answer the question, Benchley?

The BATF should have been bombarded with reports of multiple sales.

Why was nothing done about it earlier?

And don't give me any of your VRWC crap about the government's hands being tied.

[MrBenchley]

38. Been there,, did that, slack

Now go play "let's pretend" with one of the dimwits over at highroadrage.com....

[slackmaster]

39. Nonsense

And you know it. Your responses to the question have amounted to no more than personal attacks and false claims that you've already answered it (but no link to prove it).

You're going back into the Bozo bin now.

Bye.

[MrBenchley]

40. Yes, slack, the question is nonsense....

Now go play "let's pretend" with your fellow "enthusiasts."

[slackmaster]

43. Why do you keep dodging the question?

From Section 9239(g), Title 18 of the United States Code:

"Each licensee shall prepare a report of multiple sales or other dispositions whenever the licensee sells or otherwise disposes of, at one time or during any five consecutive business days, two or more pistols, or revolvers, or any combination of pistols and revolvers totalling two or more, to an unlicensed person. The report shall be prepared on a form specified by the Secretary and forwarded to the office specified thereon and to the department of State police or State law enforcement agency of the State or local law enforcement agency of the local jurisdiction in which the sale or other disposition took place, not later than the close of business on the day that the multiple sale or other disposition occurs."

(bold font added for emphasis by Slackmaster)

How could this dealer have gone so long without being investigated by police? This is clearly a failure of LOCAL law enforcement, and your pet pathetic excuse about the BATF having its hands tied by the NRA or the VRWC won't cut it.

[MrBenchley]

44. Because it is nonsense, slack

Now go snivel about it to somebody who's dumb enough to buy it.....

Even funnier, why don't you call the BATF?

[slackmaster]

45. Appeal to Ridicule

Your favorite fallacious debating technique.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-ridicule.html

[MrBenchley]

47. Ridicule is all most of the RKBA posts deserve, slack

[DoNotRefill]

49. Don't you ever get tired...

of babbling the same stupid statement over and over again? Why can't you at least vary the language a bit, throw in some different adjectives, etc? I don't mind when you insult me, I just wish you'd do so in a way that showed even a glimmer of thought or intellegence instead of just rote memorization.

[MrBenchley]

50. Refill, it's all the post deserves....

"a glimmer of thought "
You mean like the glimmer exhibited by someone who seems utterly unable to read the sentence "Almost all of the weapons were purchased at an Aurora, Colo., pawn shop renowned for selling "Saturday night specials" or "junk guns" in large quantities, officials said." in post #1 and other areas of the thread?

[demsrule4life]

41. Turns out we are both wrong

Individuals or the corrupt gun industry aren't at fault, the courts are at fault.

[demsrule4life]

42. link here

http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20030922/1016717.asp

[BullDozer]

27. It already exists

Here's why Federal gun control laws are such a good idea....

ALL the laws that are needed to alert the authorities to the potential of illegal activity in this case already exist.


http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#f5
(F5) As a licensed dealer, must I advise ATF if I sell more than one handgun to an individual?

If you sell more than one handgun to any nonlicensee during a period of 5 consecutive business days, the sale must be reported on ATF Form 3310.4, Report of Multiple Sale or Other Disposition of Pistols and Revolvers, and forwarded to the ATF office specified on the form no later than the close of business on the day the second handgun was sold. A copy of the form must also be sent to the state police or the local law enforcement agency where the sale occurred. A copy must also be kept in the records of the dealer. <18 U. S. C. 923( g)( 3), 27 CFR 178.126a>

The BATF(E) should have received plenty of paperwork on this Campbell guy.

[MrBenchley]

30. Sure thing, dozer....

You keep playing "let's pretend," and I'll keep pushing for gun cotnrol.

[slackmaster]

34. You're not making any sense, Benchley

[MrBenchley]

36. Gee, slack

I'm making sense.....it's the RKBA crowd who are desperately trying to spin away reality.....

[slackmaster]

46. It must be awfully lonely for you

Thinking you are the only person making sense here.

[MrBenchley]

48. No, slack, most people here make sense....

There's just a handful of loonies here in the gun dungeon peddling right wing silliness......