How do pro-gun liberals cope with their kid getting shot

[qb]

by his friend while playing with the gun they found in the house?

[bamademo]

1. I don't have kids

And if my nieces come over the first thing I do is lock the gun up where I know they can't get to it.

I have a gun because I'm a single female.

[iverglas]

12. "I have a gun because I'm a single female."

Hmm. I have a refrigerator because I'm a cohabiting woman. I guess. I have a pencil because I'm tired? I have a linden tree because I am a great kisser?

Makes sense to me. As much sense as, of course.

Who is it here who's always complaining about causal relationships being alleged when none are present?

Let's hear some complaining now.

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[Man_in_the_Moon]

2. I would hope

That people were responsible enough as parents to instill in their children enough knowledge to be able to know not to play with a deadly object.

And to have enough self-esteem to be able to tell that 'friend' not to do something that idiotic, or to leave the area where a 'friend' was doing something that idiotic.

Doenst matter if it is a gun, or a lighter, or drain cleaner.

[Fescue4u]

3. Proably the same way

that anti-gun liberals cope with the kids failing down the stairs and dying.

Which is statistically more likely to happen than your child accidently shooting himself.

Either way its tragic and sad.

[CO Liberal]

7. Not Statistically More Likely

Which (falling down stairs and dying) is statistically more likely to happen than your child accidently shooting himself.

Most kids encounter staircases several times every day. Far more frequently than they encounter guns. When you calculate the death rates as a factor of Deaths Per 1000 Encounters, the gun is far more deadly.

[slackmaster]

9. Wait just a cotton' pickin' minute CO

The probability of someone suffering an accidental death over the course of childhood is the sum of the probablilities of every possible way of accidentally getting killed during that time.

If you want to look at the probability of being accidentally killed per encounter with one object or another you are looking at something entirely different. Perhaps an interesting and valid question but not the same as the likelihood of a given child being shot vs. that same child suffering a fatal fall.

[CO Liberal]

10. But....

...since they encounter staircases far more frequently than they encounter guns, the guns are far more deadly.

The same way that when you talk in terms of fatalities per 1,000 passenger-miles, roller coasters are far safer than cars.

[iverglas]

15. with ya all the way, CO

... except on that roller coaster bit.

My dad was the first person to be reported in the medical literature for suffering a subdural haematoma as a result of a whiplash-type motion on a roller coaster (big amusement park in Ohio). He had to have neurosurgery to relieve the pressure on his brain from the internal bleeding. (Not in Ohio, fortunately; at home in Canada, where he was when the pain drove him to go to the hospital a couple of days later.)

There have now been deaths recorded from that type of injury.

I just like to spread the word. The new breed of roller coasters actually is dangerous, and definitely not just to middle-aged men.

http://webmd.lycos.com/content/article/27/1728_60387
(That's my dad in there! -- and while he wasn't counted by Markey as "in the US", that's where the injury occurred. And he really didn't quite do what the doctor described him as doing in the NEJM: going on the same roller coaster 12 times or some such thing.)

Rep. Edward Markey, D-Mass., who is the ranking Democrat on a congressional consumer safety panel, says the technology in the newest roller coasters doesn't take into consideration how much force could be hazardous. While he admits the number of such injuries is small -- only 15 cited in medical journals worldwide from 1966 to 1999 with only five in the U.S. -- most have occurred since 1994. Markey's office says most of the injuries were in the nature of brain bruises and were treatable.

Inzitari says that while the numbers are small now, he expects them to climb. "I believe the industry should warn users about this potential risk."

[Man_in_the_Moon]

14. Got proof?

Or is that just something you pulled out of your...err, out of thin air?

[Fescue4u]

17. No.

NO, I have no idea how people deal with the death of a child, let alone prove it.

[slackmaster]

4. I don't know, it's never happened to me

I do know what it's like to have a child badly injured. My stepson fell and cracked his head open on a concrete retaining wall when he was 5 or 6. (It was about 15 years ago so I have forgotten the exact date.)

If you can keep your head on you deal with the first aid issues and get medical help as quickly as possible. Some people cope with the emergency phase better than others.

[Fescue4u]

5. How do anti-gun liberals deal with Criminals killing their child

While they standby unarmed and helpless??


See I can build straw men to :)

[qb]

23. Actually, this straw man was constructed to point out

the "protect your family" straw man in another thread.

[MrBenchley]

6. They hold hands and sing Kumbaya

silly!

It's not like pro-gun right wingers. When their kids get shot, they boast publicly about his aim.

[LuminousX]

8. How does anyone cope with the loss of a child?

How does a parent who owns a pool and leaves his kid unattended near it cope when his child drowns?

I could go on, but the death of a child is quite an emotional issue and I don't think example after example is going to make the point that much more poignant. The issue isn't the 'policy position' but the 'ineptness' and 'lack of attention.'

[delhurgo]

11. They that give up liberty for safety deserve neither - Ben Franklin

[CO Liberal]

13. "And Many Who Buy Guns For Protection Wind Up Dead" - CO Liberal

[LastDemInIdaho]

18. Many more who don't have a gun for protection wind up dead

Dead from rapists, muggers, break-in robbers, and many domestic assualts against weaker victims.

[DoNotRefill]

20. "And EVERYBODY who is born eventually winds up dead" -DoNotRefill

eom

[demsrule4life]

21. "nobody gets out of life alive" unk

[iverglas]

16. keep the fake quote coming

Aren't I supposed to be the one who doesn't know shit about US history?

It's hard to determine the exact wording for the quotation (pronouns vary from version to version ...), but the real deal is pretty much like this:

Those that can give up essential liberty
to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Just not quite what you'd like it to be, is it now?

.

[DoNotRefill]

19. Simple...

I keep my guns locked up if there are kids present. It's 100% effective.

[IndividualLiberties]

22. Wow You CAN'T Be Serious!?

Wow! You CAN'T Be Serious!? Nice Logic :eyes:

"Most kids encounter staircases several times every day. Far more frequently than they encounter guns. When you calculate the death rates as a factor of Deaths Per 1000 Encounters, the gun is far more deadly."

DEAD IS DEAD! If more kids die falling down the stairs it doesn't matter how many "Encounters" they had. It's not like they're going to die more than once!

[Spentastic]

24. My brain hurts

Is concentrated sulphuric acid more dangerous than water?

What sort of mentalist do you have to be to perform such mental gymnastics?

Guns vs stairs

How do you suggest we reach the upper floors of building without stairs?

What do guns do for kids again?