NRA Sells Its Membership List to the GOP

[MrBenchley]

Yes, the names of gun owners must never be shared with the government....unless the thugs of the GOP have a chance to wring nickels out of the ignorant boobs.

C'mon up and join the fun...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=440668

[izzie]

1. tHAT SHOULD get their blood to boil.

Addresses also I bet so they can move in and check each and every one of them out. I recall how up tight they were when they found lobster men had guns and pulled lobsters right off Walkers Point in Maine.

[Abe Linkman]

2. Anti-gun ownership rights is bad for Democrats

There is a sound legal case to be made for the 2nd Amendment interpretation exactly as the NRA says. I've studied the issue in-depth, and I believe that Democrats are making a huge mistake to oppose gun ownership rights.

[CO Liberal]

3. But If You Support the Nuts Ruining America.......

....you support the GOP.

With very few exceptions.

[MrBenchley]

5. Not even close to true...

"There is a sound legal case to be made for the 2nd Amendment interpretation exactly as the NRA says. "
Rubbish...it's the province of nutcases like John AshKKKroft.

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[Lefty48197]

24. I've studied the 2nd amendment thoroughly myself

and I've concluded that well regulated is exactly what firearms should be.

[The Backlash Cometh]

4. This is going to backfire on them.

Pun intended. Not all gun owners are wild about the NRA-Republican connection. In fact, some of them resent paying dues and not having a say on where the money is going. This might send them over the edge.

[MrBenchley]

6. I doubt it will even occur to most of them

[Abe Linkman]

7. Life Members have voting rights, and that is as it should be.

NRA Life Members have voting privileges. They are the ones who have demonstrated a commitment to the organization that goes beyond just wanting a window sticker and a free magazine subscription.

[bluestateguy]

9. And that is why I won't join the NRA

My strong support for gun ownership, notwithstanding. I wish there was a pro-gun organization for liberals.

[RoeBear]

12. I thought that...

...this was the organization. (DU)

[zbdent]

10. Maybe they'll remember that Poppy dropped out

a while back.

[CO Liberal]

11. Because of Wayne LaPierre's Fund-Raising Letter

The one that referred to the "jack-booted thugs" in the ATF.

ON EDIT - Before any of you pro-gunners chime in with "But that line was originated by a Democrat - yes, I know Rep. John Engel (sp?) originally said it on the floor of Congress. But he didn't use it for fundraising, like that scumbag LaPierre did.

[Abe Linkman]

13. If you have a delicate constitution, don't expose yourself to

the sometimes hyperbolic rhetoric of fund-raising letters.

Do you really think Poppy was doing ANYTHING but currying votes? Do you really believe that a bush was head of the C.I.A. cares about these things? (actually, he wants you and I to be Unarmed)

[MrBenchley]

15. Of all the bullshit the RKBA crowd slings

This "actually, he wants you and I to be Unarmed" might be the funniest...

In fact, the gun rights nutcases are among the most fervent Bu$h supporters...and he has responded to them in kind. This is a corrupt administration that openly announces that to protect American public safety we ought to inspect libraries, but not gun shows. Doesn't get much more radically crazy than that.

[RoeBear]

18. John Dingel...

..John Engel was the Repulsive governor of Michigan.

[CO Liberal]

19. Sorry - I Was Close!!

At least I got the first name right. Partial credit?

:-)

[BullDozer]

14. I doubt it's from the NRA

A quick google shows that the GOP has done this before:
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=13443
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A33353-2002May4¬Found=true

for example.

If in fact the NRA has sold or given their membership list to the GOP it would be a change from their usual policy.

Q: I want to join but I am concerned about my privacy. Is NRA membership data confidential?
A: NRA Membership data is considered personal and confidential and as such may only be accessed by the NRA and our agents. Your personal information will not be provided to any “mailing lists.”

[MrBenchley]

16. Go on up to GD and peddle that, dozer.

"If in fact the NRA has sold or given their membership list to the GOP it would be a change from their usual policy.
Q: I want to join but I am concerned about my privacy. Is NRA membership data confidential?
A: NRA Membership data is considered personal and confidential"
And we're supposed to believe that because the lying shits at the NRA SAID SO? Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha......

[BullDozer]

17. So predictable....

Peddle your "the NRA is the big bad boogie man" load somewhere else benchley.

There is nothing in evidence that suggests that the NRA turned their membership list over to the GOP. Try again bub.

The simplest explanation is usually the right one, and that in this case is most likely the GOP as they have done before, as indicated by the links I supplied, is trolling for the pulse of the Democratic faithful by sending out mass mailings to see where they might be able to slide their "policies" to in order to garner more votes.

I'm sure that if any manchurian NRA members such as M. Moore found that the NRA did in fact sell the mailing list off in contradiction of their posted policies that it would be well documented and screamed from the rooftops.

[MrBenchley]

20. Who ya kidding, dozer?

"There is nothing in evidence that suggests that the NRA turned their membership list over to the GOP. Try again bub."
Don't have to. But your faith in the extremist scumbags of the NRA is telling.

"I'm sure that if any manchurian NRA members such as M. Moore"
Say what?

"the NRA did in fact sell the mailing list off in contradiction of their posted policies that it would be well documented and screamed from the rooftops."
Why?? Who DOESN'T know by now that the NRA is in bed with the GOP?

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[BullDozer]

27. Tsk tsk tsk

I know it's such a hardship to want the truth insteand of blind raging rhetoric about the NRA being the boogeyman.

Personally I like to see the truth and in this case it is obviously highly improbable that the NRA is linked to this GOP mailing.

If it can be proven that the NRA sold or gave the mailing list to the GOP for this mailing then do so. Hell the anti-NRA people should make it a priority to prove that as I'm sure it would be cause for some current members of the NRA to leave it.

[MrBenchley]

28. Gee, dozer....

NNice to see you pimping for the NRA as usual.

"Personally I like to see the truth and in this case it is obviously highly improbable that the NRA is linked to this GOP mailing."
And why? Because you want to preteend the NRA would never lie.

"Hell the anti-NRA people should make it a priority to prove that as I'm sure it would be cause for some current members of the NRA to leave it."
Gee, dozer....you mean you would leave the NRA if they did something scummy...like lie about gun statistics?

[BullDozer]

29. Proof or not?

Seeking the truth isn't pimping and I'm the one looking at the truth here.

Do you actually have anything that links the NRA to this GOP mailing? That's the proper topic of this message thread everything else is spin.

It's a very simple yes or no answer, anything else is just babble and propaganda.

[MrBenchley]

30. Dozer, go pimp for the NRA

to someone who cares.

"It's a very simple yes or no answer"
Then, yes, it's been proved to MY satisfaction. If you don't love it, you can shove it.

[Rabrrrrrr]

31. It has?

In the other thread, there was no proof given by revcarol, other than an anecdotal assumption that it must have been the NRA.

There has been no proof. Not a bit. Not one iota.

I'm much more inclined to believe the poster who said he's tried to get names from the NRA to no avail, for a variety of political stuff on both sides of the aisle. Of course, this also is anecdotal, but at least it's someone who actually contacted the NRA. RevCarol's thought is purely supposition with no basis in fact. She might be right - but nothing she, nor you, have said has offered proof.

[MrBenchley]

32. Cry me a frigging river....

"RevCarol's thought is purely supposition with no basis in fact."
And the stirring defense of this malignant organization is based entirely on a touching faith in their credibility...which is nil.

[BullDozer]

33. The question was

Do you actually have anything that links the NRA to this GOP mailing?

Which was not the question you answered, thus I will take it that NO you do not have anything that actually links the NRA to this GOP mailing.

After the discussion on this topic you seem to be the only one standing on blaming the NRA for supplying their mailing list to the GOP.

Why might that be? :: sarcasm ::

[Rabrrrrrr]

34. I second your post

Benchley still hasn't shown the link between the NRA and the republican mailing.

Until someone comes up with some FACTS, we can't say there is a link. We also can't say there isn't a link, but the onus of proving a point lies with those who want to say there IS a link between being an NRA member and getting that one particular republican mailing.

[MrBenchley]

35. And the answer is

Go pimp for the NRA to somebody who gives a crap.

"you seem to be the only one standing on blaming the NRA for supplying their mailing list to the GOP."
If you don't count the people on the original thread. Meanwhile, there's a big whoop...the same bunch of gun nuts who run down every Democrat ever heard of and post nothing but right wing propaganda are sticking up for the NRA. Who'd of thunk it?

[BullDozer]

37. keep dreaming

Go pimp for the NRA to somebody who gives a crap.

Right, I'm the one wanting to see the truth told here and you want to claim what you are claiming.


If you don't count the people on the original thread.

I think that you'd better go and check it again and see exactly how many people are adamant that the NRA sold/or gave the GOP their mailing list and don't forget to notice the poster who said they got the exact same mailing and did not indicate that they had any link to the NRA.



the same bunch of gun nuts who run down every Democrat ever heard

Once again having the big D after ones name is not protection from criticism. Really now is every Democratic ever heard of being criticized in this forum or is it the usual anti-gun ones such as Feinstein, Waxman, Schumer, former senator Metzenbaum, etc, and really isn't all of the criticism really revolving around just one subject?

If you really want to think that the big D should give one immunity from criticizm than you'd be well served by thinking of the topic of gun control as their version of krypotonite.

[MrBenchley]

38. Gee, I'm not the one with the gun nut wetdream, dozer...

Nor am I the one posting right wing propaganda...that's the RKBA crowd.

"having the big D after ones name is not protection from criticism"
Perish the thought that the RKBA "Democrats" ever not criticize Democrats. Or the RKBA "Democrats" ever not make up phony quotes and put them in Democrats' mouths. Or the RKBA "Democrats" ever not pass along slander about Democrats from right wing loonies.

The RKBA crowd lives to pimp for the Republicans' most extreme and shirll splinter group...

[BullDozer]

39. Whatever

You almost managed to form sentences with your unsubstantiated claims there B.

You just go right on implying that the RKBA people (as you put it) here aren't really Democrats.

Who else would you like to chase out of the party?

I look forward to you debuting your infallible ideological purity test that is required to be passed before anyone can become a democrat.

You have your own brand of propoganda to post, I think I'll call it
B-Shit.

[MrBenchley]

40. Gee, dozer....

"You just go right on implying that the RKBA people (as you put it) here aren't really Democrats."
I don't do nearly as much implying as you guys do proving it.

"I look forward to you debuting your infallible ideological purity test that is required to be passed before anyone can become a democrat."
Let's see...here's five easy questions.

A) Do you attack every Democrat anyone's ever heard of? Yes or No?

B) Do you attribute phony quotes to Democrats in public? Yes or No?

C) Do you publicly espouse the same issue as the scummiest and most corrupt members of the Republican party? Yes or No?

D) Do you lie about the Constitution exactly the same way that John AshKKKroft does? Yes or No?

E) Do you try to pretend in public that Ted Nugent, Larry Pratt and Bob Barr aren't racist, but that the NAACP is? Yes or No?

[BullDozer]

41. Well that proves it

So much for an infallible ideological purity test since no one who hasn't kept up to speed on some radical zealots ramblings on a Internet board would have any idea at all what in the hell your questions are about.

As for your questions they hold as much water as the old trap of Have you stopped beating your dog. Yes or No?

KKKroft, how 2nd grade is that?!! It always cracks me up.

Plus I'm so glad to see that your infallible ideological purity test revolves around one single issue. I guess someone who is prolife, proreligion in schools, pro tax cutes for the rich but none for the poor, etc could slide right by your infallible ideological purity test just so long as they hated guns eh?

[MrBenchley]

43. Cry me a river, Dozer.

"I'm so glad to see that your infallible ideological purity test revolves around one single issue."
Dozer, are we or are we not discussing GUNS here? Or are you trying to pretend you think Charles Schumer is swell on every other issue? (hahahahaha)

"I guess someone who is prolife, proreligion in schools, pro tax cutes for the rich but none for the poor, etc could slide right by your infallible ideological purity test just so long as they hated guns"
Gee, and do you think such a wretched piece of shit could avoid lying about Democrats? And that's assuming there's even one of those asswipes who hates guns. But almost all of them are the ones peddling that "gun rights" horseshit in public.

[BullDozer]

45. Yeah ok sure thing bub

are we or are we not discussing GUNS here?

Actually were discussing the BS claim that the NRA supplied their mailing list to the GOP. However you certainly do put on a show about how anyone who is progun can't possibly be a Democrat, I don't know why you insist on making the big tent into a pup tent. How hot of a setting do you have to use on the dryer to get it to shrink up like that?



Or are you trying to pretend you think Charles Schumer is swell on every other issue?

No, he's not "swell" on every other issue offhand I'd say that he's "swell" on 50-70% of things. However on guns he is WAY off and I do take exception with that, as I am allowed to do if I wish.

That's right Benchely you just keep on going on about how only right wing whackos can be progun, just keep it up.

Oh wait that's right you think a strong anti-gun message will only alienate a few hundred Democratic swing voters in the entire country.

[MrBenchley]

46. Fine with me Dozer...

"Benchely you just keep on going on about how only right wing whackos can be progun"
And you just keep pimping for the NRA and the GOP, dozer..

[BullDozer]

47. Truth

And you just keep pimping for the NRA and the GOP, dozer..

Right, I'm the one wanting to see the truth told here and you want to claim what you are claiming, yet you accuse me of pimping.

How funny is that?

[MrBenchley]

48. Horseshit

Now go pimp for the NRA's honor to someone who cares.

"How funny is that?"
Almost as funny as you trying to pretend that the NRA never lies.

[BullDozer]

49. Why yes it is

Horseshit

and that is exactly what you are peddling, it's been about a week and you've shown no proof to back up the claim that you are blustering about, that the NRA sold or gave their mailing list to the GOP.

There's no pimping going on her by anyone here but you, so put up some proof or move along.

[MrBenchley]

50. Thanks for the admission

"it's been about a week and you've shown no proof to back up the claim that you are blustering about"
And you've shown nothing to demonstrate that there's the slightest reason to doubt the poster from GD...other than that you have some preternatural faith in the honesty of the NRA...who are racist scumbags.

"put up some proof or move along."
Tell it to Ted Nugent.

[BullDozer]

52. I guess you don't bother to read what is already posted

And you've shown nothing to demonstrate that there's the slightest reason to doubt the poster from GD

Gee maybe the facts that the GOP has used the same type of mailing before without any hint of the NRA being involved?

http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=13443
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A33353-2002May4¬Found=true

The NRAs own stated policy:

Q: I want to join but I am concerned about my privacy. Is NRA membership data confidential?
A: NRA Membership data is considered personal and confidential and as such may only be accessed by the NRA and our agents. Your personal information will not be provided to any “mailing lists.”

Which would put some members up in arms if they violated it.

The valid supposition that the simplest explanation is usually the right one, and that in this case is most likely the GOP as they have done before, as indicated by the links I supplied, is trolling for the pulse of the Democratic faithful by sending out mass mailings to see where they might be able to slide their "policies" to in order to garner more votes.


The post from novakara who said "The NRA are tight asses with their lists, I have tried to get small selects of their names for various political projects for groups on both sides of the aisle, to no avail."

The post from missb who said "I just posted that I received the same one. Select group? I don't think so. I'm sure we received one because we just moved and haven't re-registered."

The post DoNotRefill who said "I periodically get Repuke spam snailmail. I also belong to the NRA, but am a lifelong registered Democrat who has worked on a Democratic congressional campaign. I seriously doubt the Repukes got my mailing address from the NRA...because the NRA can't even get their shit together enough to send my magazine to the right address."

This is all much more convincing to a sensible person than your constant bellowing that the NRA is the devil.

[Rabrrrrrr]

53. looks like maybe that finally shut him up

the onus of proof is most certainly on him.

It's like this:
MrBenchley: "I say, I accuse you of poaching rhinos"

Rabrrrrrr: "Can you prove that I am?"

MrBenchley: "No, it is up to you to prove that you aren't!"



Or like this:
MrBenchley: "I say, my income went up when Mars came closest to earth. There is a link!"

Rabrrrrrr: "Can you prove it?"

MrBenchley: "Oh no no no. You prove that there isn't a link, since you're the one who seems to have an issue with it."

[MrBenchley]

54. RKBA logic...no wonder you guys think Mary Rosh is a scientist

But it is touching to see you guys still furiously pimping for the sccummiest part of the Republican party....

[BullDozer]

55. Logic and sense

But it is touching to see you guys still furiously pimping... for the truth and facts. I know you find it so touching, being as out of touch with those two things as you tend to be.

Face it Benchley you haven't shown a shred of proof or reason to back up the claim that you carried down here.

It's your responsibility to provide the proof since you carried the claim in.

[Withergyld]

42. read the rules MrBenchley

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules.html#civility
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[MrBenchley]

44. Hey, with

I didn't answer the questions for you "enthusiasts." I just posed the questions...but any honest person can tell how the RKBA crowd has answered them in their posts.

[Loyal]

25. I'm not a Republican,

and I don't want Republican mail! :mad:

[slackmaster]

36. Sierra Club pulled the same crap on me

They sold my name to Handgun Control, Inc. I'm sure it was the Sierra Club because the name and address had a unique misspelling.

I was pissed. Sent both organizations an irate letter. The SC sent me an apology. They haven't sold out my name since then, and I haven't heard a peep out of HCI since I told them I was donating money to the JPFO.

[Muddleoftheroad]

51. Mailing lists

It is common practice for ALL organizations to sell your name to others. There are whole companies based on this concept to market mailing lists. If you have access to their site, you can login and find tons of mailing lists for sale.

[FlashHarry]

56. Locking

This has unfortunately degenerated into a series of personal attacks and is no longer productive.

Feel free to start a new thread on the same subject.

FlashHarry
DU Moderator