Anti-gun exploitation of events

[Wcross]

Speaking about the sniper shootings Wednesday, Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D-Md.) became so angry over the prospect that Congress might not extend a ban on military-looking semi-automatic rifles, commonly referred to by the misnomer "assault weapons," that she was almost yelling.

"Now we've been to memorials, we've been to candlelight ceremonies, we've prayed, we sang hymns, we said we would never forget these victims," Mikulski said, "and I'll tell you how we'll never forget them: We've got to pass this assault weapons ban."

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=%5CNation%5Carchive%5C200310%5CNAT20031002d.html

Gee, thats like beating your cat because the dog pooped on the floor.
How can they exploit the "sniper" killings in D.C. to sell a so called "assualt weapons" ban? Is the fact that the bullets came from a bushmaster ar-15 really the issue in the "sniper" killings?
In each incident, there were single shots fired. How would banning assualt weapons have prevented the killings? Chances are, the victims didn't know what type of gun the killers used.

I guess why the majority of intelligent americans are suspicious of the "anti-gun" crowd. They exploit each and every shooting to call for more laws, even if the laws proposed have nothing to do with the crime.

[billbuckhead]

1. When guns expedite the way Americans are murdered, they're an issue

Where's your link to prove the statement "I guess why the majority of intelligent americans are suspicious of the "anti-gun" crowd." IMHO, America's promiscuous gun laws are nothing less than domestic terrorism designed to keep all Americans under the sights of guns.

[Wcross]

4. Paranoid Bill?

"America's promiscuous gun laws are nothing less than domestic terrorism designed to keep all Americans under the sights of guns."

In my 40 years, I have never felt a fear of guns. What do you mean,under the sights of guns? Do you mean that you feel someone is always pointing a gun at you? How long have you had this feeling Bill? Is it a constant fear or does it come and go?

As far as a link- BWAAAAA
Do you really need a link Bill? This anti is saying that the assualt weapons ban needs to be renewed, and expanded because a criminal used one to kill people. The FACT that he did it without taking advantage of the "assualt" weapons high capacity magazine is real relavent isn't it? Given the fact he could have commited the same crime with a single shot rifle, why wouldn't most thinking people question a need for the assualt weapons ban using this crime as an example?

[a2birdcage]

20. This is why.

The simple fact of the matter is gun control is dying in this country. People are finally starting to open their eyes and realize that it's not helping. Politicians are starting to realize that it's a campaign killer. The anti-freedom crowd is getting so desperate that they will use whatever they can to push a renewal through for the AWB. The AWB is really all the freedom haters have going for them and if they lose that then they are sunk. Go to www.awbansunset.com to find out what you can do to fight this ridiculous piece of freedom hating legislation. Keep up the fight.

[DavidMS]

27. I wouldn't say that gun controll is dying...

Their supporters are not motivated and enought of us think gun controll cost us congress in '94, Gore his rightfull residence in '00 and excites the black helocopter crowd. If gun control actualy prevented crime, (most studies have been discredited, implying that either only bad researchers aproach the topic or that there is such a small impact on crime that the effects of firearm ownership is neglegable on crime rates) and caused these headaches, in a suficently mild form it would be effective.

Or in short, it excites everyone (including the neanderthall faction of the rethug party) and devides those of us on the left from the trade-unionist base of the party. When we are devided we loose. I don't like loosing any more than the rest of you here. Forget ideological purity, reapolitik and compormise let us win.

[MrBenchley]

7. You'll notice that it's another right wing loony source

being presented as an authority.

[Wcross]

8. Does it make the FACT any less real?

The FACT that the single shot sniping attacks were committed with an ar-15 is irrelavent. If these attacks are reason to ban assualt rifles, they should be reason to ban all rifles right? One well aimed shot was used for most of the attacks. How could you honestly say the assualt weapon used influenced the crime in any way,shape, or form?

Unfortunatly, anti-gun people are neurotic, they are obbsessed with controlling other people. They swallow every word of the Violence Policy Center and the (ex?) repugs- Sarah and Jim Bradey.

How can you live thinking the sky is falling every day? Must be fun!

[villageidiot]

2. If a bushmaster poops on my floor

I will beat it. I don't beat my dog. Don't have cat. I can train my dog not to poop on the floor. I can't train people not to poop on my floor with their bushmasters.

[Wcross]

3. Damn the facts!

The fact that an "assualt rifle" was used in the "beltway sniper" crimes is irrelavent isn't it? Why use that incident to push for an assualt weapons ban? The least the anti-crowd could do is have a valid reason when they whine about gun laws.

My analogy of beating the cat because of the dog pooping? Why use single shot crimes as a reason to ban guns with thirty round magazines?

[Spentastic]

5. Can a gun with 30 round magazines fire one bullet?

Well can they?

[Wcross]

24. uh, yeah.

There is no need to empty the magazine- a gun with a 30 round mag can fire just one bullet, or none. The capacity had no bearing in the so called "sniper" killings.

[a2birdcage]

43. The reason why........

they are using this is because it's all they have. This is the absolute best they can do. You shouldn't be so offended by it. It's a fucking joke, they know it's a fucking joke, and all of us know they are a fucking joke. As long as we continue to open our eyes and fight for what is right gun control will continue to die in this country.

[MrBenchley]

6. More right wing propaganda

from the RKBA crowd...

Really, who is surprised?

[Wcross]

9. Propaganda?

No, my comments are made as a Democrat and a gun owner.

Is your intent to push all of us to Vote Republican? Is your goal to drive all gun owners out of the party? Believe it or not, there are some of us that understand the bill of rights clearly states "the right of the people, to keep and bear arms,shall not be infringed". Go figure.

I still have my doubts about your motives MrBenchley. You seem to enjoy making it seem like there is no room under the big tent for us gunowners. You must think highley of yourself, claiming the Democratic party for your very own, deciding who qualifies and who should seek political affiliations elsewhere. I predict you will help in a great political victory- for the other side.

[-..__...]

10. It's all a cleverly crafted troll...

and/or role playing. Just ask Bob Boudelang. While I have no doubt the anger, resentment and misinformation is genuine.
the "pantload", "cry me a river" and "tell it to someone who cares" sphiel is only meant to detract from and sabotauge any meaningful discussion or debate.

Oh, and it also helps when one is a generous benifactor/contributer ($$$$$$). ;)

[MrBenchley]

14. Gee, D_S, at least I'm not here

pimping for the GOP...or posting crap from Brent Bozell as if it's real news.

[MrBenchley]

13. Who are you trying to kid, cross?

"my comments are made as a Democrat"
Is THAT why you're posting this dishonest right winng filth?

"Is your intent to push all of us to Vote Republican?"
Gee, cross, YOU'RE the one here pimping for the GOP's phony "gun rights" platform.

"Believe it or not, there are some of us that understand the bill of rights clearly states "the right of the people, to keep and bear arms,shall not be infringed"."
And they're always the dishonest ones pretending the first half of that amendment doesn't exist. Like John AshKKKroft.

"You must think highley of yourself, claiming the Democratic party for your very own, deciding who qualifies and who should seek political affiliations elsewhere."
No, I just have a strong opinion about the sort of scum who associate themselves publicly with Larry Pratt, a racist so virulent that even Pat Buchanan had to flee his company.

[Wcross]

25. Is it not true?

Is this gun-grabber citing the "sniper" shootings as a reason to renew and strengthen the AWB? Even you have to see the farce of citing this as a good reason.

[MrBenchley]

38. Not even close to true...

but thanks for playing "What's my RKBA fantasy."

[Wcross]

45. Is too!

I thought I would sink to your level on this one.

[CO Liberal]

30. And Conversely.....

You seem to enjoy making it seem like there is no room under the big tent for us gunowners.

And too many pro-gun Democrats seem to enjoy making it seem like the party is doomed unless we all give up any thoughts of gun control, kiss Wayne LaPierre's ass, and fall in line with whatever that useless douchebag says.

[Wcross]

32. Why do you guys always drag LaPierre's ass into it?

What I want is the party to have a well thought out plan on what will absolutly reduce criminal homocides. It may, or may not include gun control. What if we advocate harsher penalties for people who attempt to purchase guns when they know they are prohibited? What about higher penalties for convicted felons caught with firearms? What about holding parents liable if their child brings a gun to school?
When I see people advocating banning weapons on the basis of what "could" happen, maybe someday- I get concerned. I also am concerned by the way "gun-control advocates" go about their business. It is a death by 1000 cuts!
I guess it all boils down to this- some people blame the gun for our violence problem, others blame the person that brings the gun, aims the gun, and pulls the trigger.

[CO Liberal]

33. Because LaPierre Personifies The Brain-Dead Gun Nut

To many of us, assholes like LaPierre, Nugent, and others in the NRA leader serve as an easy target for our anger - just like Sarah Brady and Barbara Boxer serve the same function for your side.

By the way....

I guess it all boils down to this- some people blame the gun for our violence problem, others blame the person that brings the gun, aims the gun, and pulls the trigger.

Personally, I blame the gun, the person who fires the gun, and (if he got the gun illegally), the person who provided the gun.

[MrBenchley]

40. Not to mention

the people who make it legal for criminnals and lunatics to buy guns without a background check and the ones who fight any sort of gun control and then claim "no law could prevent...".

How about John Lott, generating dishonest pseudoscience to defend racism and gun rights?

[Wcross]

46. You forgot Rosie O'Donnell!

By the way- all hypocrites. Rosie has an armed body guard, Sarah straw purchased a gun for her son.

[CO Liberal]

49. WRONG!!!!!

ZAPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!

Sarah Brady's purchase of a gun was PERFECTLY LEGAL.

Thank you for being such a wonderful contestant, Wcross. And what do we have for him, Don Pardo????

[MrBenchley]

50. Amazing isn't it?

Guess all that crap about Sarah Brady being "anti-gun" is just another pantload.

[MrBenchley]

39. Gee, don't cry to us

because the leaders of the RKBA movement are all the scum of the earth.

[Lefty48197]

11. Thank God the Wayne LaPierre apoligists

only exploit events once a month in their magazines.

[Wcross]

12. Magazines?

Members magazines are one thing. Debate in congress is quite another. Do you really approve of the way the anti-gun faction goes about lawmaking? Hysteria and hype does not make good law. It also fails to fool people who stop and think. You know the "sniper attacks" are no reason to expand the so called "assualt weapons ban".

[MrBenchley]

15. They're on here every day

though, pretending to be "Democrats"

[demsrule4life]

16. Let's say you are correct

and I would say you are right that there are repugs posting on here. Today's membership on the DU is 32549, lets say one thousand of them are repugs. That leaves 31249 true democrats on DU. Why arent they down here backing up everything you say since you make the daily rant that Democrats demand gun control, or in your case ban guns?

[MrBenchley]

17. Hahahahahaha...

"lets say one thousand of them are repugs."
How many hardcore RKBA "enthusaists" are there?" (Not counting the ones who have been tombstoned?) Six? Eight?

"Why arent they down here backing up everything you say"
Why do you think this is called the gun dungeon?

[demsrule4life]

18. Yesterday you said

that we were a radical minority stands to reason so few of us. Where is your majority?

[MrBenchley]

19. Go on up to GD and find out, dems...

The other day when one of the enthusaists was throwing around that dishonest Janet Reno quote, he said he was going up to GD to ask for a link. Why do you suppose he didn't?

[a2birdcage]

21. That's funny.

You still in the dark that the RKBA crowd and the Democratic party are often one in the same? Keep living in your denial. I love it.

[slackmaster]

22. Another thread, another Straw Man from MrBenchley

Please cite where any of us have ever apologized for anything Wayne LaPierre ever said, or retract your claim, or reply with some kind of personal attack.

[MrBenchley]

23. Gee, slack...

Who are you trying to kid?

Here's dozer upholding the honor of the NRA publicly.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=13483&mesg_id=13483

For that matter, in his book "Guns, Crime, and Freedom," LaPierre devotes a lot of space spouting that Switzerland disproves "guns cause crime" without once mentioning that Switzerland also has the very kinds of gun control laws that the NRA opposes so vehemently. Therew were a bunch of RKBA regulars here pushing Wayne's dishonest pov.

Meanwhile...

"Please cite where any of us have ever apologized for anything Wayne LaPierre ever said,"
Sure thing...soon as you cite where I accused anyone of apologizing for the odious piece of shit...not that LaPierre doesn't have much to apologize for.

[Wcross]

26. Silly Gun grabber

But do you expect people to buy her reason- the "sniper" shootings being a reason to extend the assualt weapons ban? Pretend that would have had an effect on the crime!

[Emoto]

28. The reason is secondary

These people who seek to deprive us of our civil rights take an incremental approach; any time they can take a step to prevent honest law-abiding people from having any type of gun, they will.

[CO Liberal]

29. CNS is Right-Wing Propaganda

They used to call themselves the "Conservative News Service". They changed the name, but not their slant.

They're just as useless a new source as the Washington Times or the New York Post.

[Wcross]

31. AND?

Are you saying she didn't make the statement? Are you saying the "sniper" shootings is a valid reason to extend the assualt weapons ban?

[CO Liberal]

34. If It's On CNS (And Nowhere Else) ......

...chances are pretty good they ewither made it up or quoted her out of context - another right-wing propaganda tool.

[Wcross]

35. Just do a search- there are a few hits.

Speculate all you want, she said it.



http://www.newsline.umd.edu/justice/specialreports/snipercases/sniperechoes100103.htm

[CO Liberal]

36. And That Doesn't Change The Fact....

...that CNS is a worthless cesspool of conservative propaganda. You might as well post passages from Ann Coulter's blatherings.....

[Wcross]

37. Censorship?

Please provide me a list of approved sources so I can comply with the censorship rules on the board.

Although the source of the story doesn't meet the censorship rules, the message is the same on other web sites. Being lazy, I just linked the first one I saw.

Are we talking about gun control or who posts the most biased links?

( By the way, I saw your pic on the gallery- nice cat!)

[MrBenchley]

41. Yeah, cross...

You're being brutally censored.....

"Although the source of the story doesn't meet the censorship rules, the message is the same on other web sites."
Which websites are these? NewsMax? Free Republic? Stormfront.org?

"Are we talking about gun control or who posts the most biased links?"
Actually, we were talking about what a pantload this particular source is...

But I think I win the "most biased source" award...I was the one who found the hilarious quote from the KKK mirroring the RKBA crowd's rhetoric here....

[BullDozer]

47. cry and sob somemore

I was the one who found the hilarious quote from the KKK mirroring the RKBA crowd's rhetoric here....

Blah blah blah goes your spin cycle.

So friggin what if the KKK agrees with RKBA people on an issue, that in no way shape or form means that the RKBA people agree with anything else that the KKK has to say on anything.

Although if they like pizza I'll agree with them that pizza is good.

[MrBenchley]

48. No spin necessary...it's flat out true

that the leadership of both the NRA and the GOA are virulent racists...and don't try very hard to hide it.

"So friggin what if the KKK agrees with RKBA people on an issue"
AN issue? Isn't it one of the central tenets we hear from your side that the ONLY issue the gun fanatics are interested in is the threat to their sacred fetish objects? That it doesn't matter if pResident Turd sucks on the environment, foreign affairs, the economy, education and everything else because there's a clot of voters who only vote for who's craziest about guns?

[CO Liberal]

42. There is No "List of Approved Sources"

But there are several that most DU-ers regard as unsuitable. Including World Net Daily, the Washington Times, and CNS.

[Wcross]

44. Approved sources

Ok, I will stop posting from those sites if you guys promise to stop linking to The Brady campaign and the VPC.

You forgot to mention the NRA site, The GOA site, gunsite, and any other pro-gun site.

The fact that a link or story comes from an unsuitable site is a weak arguement to say the least. I WILL attempt in future disscusions to limit my linking to acceptable sites.

Now, do you agree with her? Do the sniper killings justify the extension of the assualt weapons ban?

Other than the gun issue, you and I want the same thing I believe. We both want to see the democratic party regain the house and senate, and of course 1600 penn ave. I believe gun control is hurting our chances, you don't. Thats the only rift between us.