HR 2038, Grandfathered "assault weapons" and 49 million magazines

[pandatimothy]

Dianne Feinstein claims 49 million magazines over 10 rounds have been imported since 1994 and sold on the market.

In the year 2000 the BATFE documented 94,878 "AR-15 type rifles" being sold.

Now let's assume that this amount was sold every year since 1995 (1995-2003)

That would be 853,902 rifles!!

So if HR 2038 was passed it would grandfather over 50 million high cap mags (domestic and imported) PLUS 850,000 thousand AR-15 clones alone!

If you think that HR 2038 and S 1431 would do anything, you're crazy. At least not until 2 decades later.

Not only that the banned rifles can easily accept still legal 10 round magazines and do not need high caps to function.

HR 2038 is merely a "feel good" measure. So was the orginial Assault Weapons Ban of 1994.

[ComplimentarySwine]

1. Not only that, but

it turns out that "assault weapons" aren't even used in more than 3% of violent crime, and "hunting rifles" are far more powerful. I think people are starting to wake up to the fact that bans only affect those who care about that law, hence, them being "feel good" measures.

[pandatimothy]

2. Hunting rifles versus assault weapons

Uh many "hunting" guns are chambered in the same calibers as "assault weapons" and a .22 short can kill you dead.

Your "more powerful" argument don't hold water.

[wdwilder]

3. while it is true that a .22 short

can kill you it is usually necessary to fire it directly up your nose and even then it's not a reliable means of self deliverance. At any range over 5 yards it's bull breasts (usefull as).

The whole point of 2d amendment, from the perspective of its' advocates, is that the ordinary janitor and prep-cook/dishwasher has the same gear that the government's got. We are the king, it's good to be the king, whoever want's to disarm the king must have some funny ideas.

From the perspective of the gun control advocates, whose point of view I can't quite grasp, their neighborhood would be a safer place if hot tempered young men didn't have guns in their pockets/cars/refrigerators/etc.

In the words of Archie Bunker, would you be happier if they were pushed out of windows...?

[MrBenchley]

5. Of course that's down from 8%

pre-ban....


"I think people are starting to wake up to the fact that bans only affect those who care about that law"
<sarcasm>Like the Beltway sniper...if only he'd had more firepower, think what he could do!</sarcasm>

[a2birdcage]

6. More lies!

Keep em coming Bench.

[Withergyld]

7. I don't see how

the fact that the snipers use of an "assault rifle" made thier attacks any more lethal than if they had used a bolt action rifle.

[MrBenchley]

8. Hell, I don't see a link in the first post either

and don't see that Feinstein ever claimed any such thing, except among the sort of brain-dead dipwads who are trying to pretend there is no such thing as an assault weapon.

[slackmaster]

9. And MrBenchley waives his favorite Straw Man again

"...brain-dead dipwads who are trying to pretend there is no such thing as an assault weapon."

And who would those "brain-dead dipwads" be, MrBenchley?

[MrBenchley]

12. Gee, slack

You mean I imagined all those "assault weapon ban is just cosmetic" posts?

Straw men are generally mute...not strident screamers.....

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[slackmaster]

21. Nobody here has ever said there is no such thing as an AW

We've said that "assault weapons" are characterized by merely cosmetic features and that the term is an artificial legal definition, but not that there is no such thing.

[Withergyld]

11. I was responding to your sarcastic comment

"<sarcasm>Like the Beltway sniper...if only he'd had more firepower, think what he could do!</sarcasm>"
If they had used something larger then a .223 say like a .308 or 30-06 there probably would have been more fatalities.

[MrBenchley]

13. Yeah, and I answered back

Now go sulk about it to somebody else...

[Withergyld]

15. flame bait EOM

:argh:
edited to change the smilie

[a2birdcage]

4. Doesn't it just feel good......

to know how many people are buying these firearms. The anti-freedom lovers want you to believe that the RKBA crowd is a minority. We are talking close to 1 million AR-15's in five years. That doesn't include the millions of AK's, HK's, FAL's and other various so-called "assault weapons". We are a strong force and we need to make our elected officials aware of that. If you haven't yet write your Reps and Sens and let them know they will not be receiving your vote if they vote to extend or expand the AWB. If you have already done so keep sending the same letters on a monthly bases. If any of you need templates for doing so let me know.

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

10. Chalk me up for

One AR-15 with 32 normal capacity magazines, all USGI contract.

One AKM (Global Trades assembled SSR-85C built off of a Hungarian SA-85 reciever and Polish parts) with 45 normal capacity magazines.

Probably a dozen normal capacity pistol magazines for assorted pistols.

Plus a FAL, VEPR or CETME on the way very soon in addition to another AKM.

I know of several others that started buying "assault weapons" as a direct result of the ban.

[juancarlos]

17. Heck, you can add my

Bushmaster A2, Eagle Arms M4-style, my WASR, and MAK91 to the list.

Translation: 2 AR-15s and 2 AK-47s

I have over thirty full capacity magazines.

Guess what, I haven't killed anybody yet, and regularly practice at 200 yards.

[MrBenchley]

18. Still waiting

for a link to show where Senator Diane Feinstein MADE this claim....

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19. Congressional record

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?r108:4:./temp/~r1088DtVww:e210383:


By Mrs. FEINSTEIN (for herself, Mr. SCHUMER, Mr. CHAFEE, Mr. JEFFORDS, Mr. KENNEDY, Mr. DURBIN,
Mr. LAUTENBERG, Mrs. BOXER, and Mr. REED):

S . 1034 . A bill to repeal the sunset date on the assault weapons ban, to ban the importation of large capacity ammunition
feeding devices, and for other purposes; to the Committee on the Judiciary.

Mrs. FEINSTEIN. Mr. President, I rise today to introduce legislation with Senators CHUCK SCHUMER, LINCOLN
CHAFEE, BARBARA BOXER, DICK DURBIN, JACK REED, FRANK LAUTENBERG, JIM JEFFORDS, and
EDWARD KENNEDY that would permanently reauthorize the assault weapons ban and close the clip-importation loophole.

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Second, the legislation would close a loophole in the 1994 law, which prohibits the domestic manufacture of high-capacity
ammunition magazines, but allows foreign companies to continue sending them to this country by the millions.

A measure that would have closed this loophole passed the House and Senate in 1999 by wide margins, but got bottled up in a larger conference due to an unrelated provision.

The result: the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms has approved the importation of almost 50 million high capacity
ammunition magazines from some 50 countries since 1994.

[slackmaster]

20. Here's a source for the Feinstein statement

From the International Action Network on Small Arms, a gun control advocacy group:

http://www.iansa.org/oldsite/news/1999/aug_99/columbine.htm

[FlashHarry]

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