More gun walks in Ohio.

[fromthehip]

Today, about 350 people carrying guns openly walked in support of Concealed Carry. They were protesting the lack of a CCW law in Ohio. These walks were similar to the one held a few weeks ago in Cincinnati. They were held in Dayton, Columbus and Lima areas. I love it. There are more scheduled for next weekend, and more the weekend after that. Unbelieveable. I support CCW, 45 states have some form of it, and there haven't been problems. Ohio Carry rocks! Some folks have even been going to Kroger, Walmart, Sears, Lazarus, etc. While CARRYING OPENLY! No arrests, as the Ohio Supreme Court basically said that since the Ohio Constitution guarantees the right to bear arms for defense of self, the state can only regulate the manner in which guns can be carried...concealed or open. Since concealed is illegal, then OPEN carry MUST be legal.

[lcordero]

1. hmmmmmm...

I'm considering trying to join the National Black Sportsman's Association on account of that I feel that it will be a more progressive organization than the NRA.

[fromthehip]

3. NRA

NRA had nothing to do with the walks.

[liberalnurse]

2. Which site did you march?

I had not heard of it but then again, Monday's paper may be more informative.

[fromthehip]

4. I didn't

I didn't go to any of them, I was too busy getting the details of my wedding hammered out. However, I am kept well informed by other activists.

[a2birdcage]

5. About time............

[MrBenchley]

6. Jeepers...

A news story so important that no link can be found....

Certainly everybody in Ohio should put their lives in danger so that 350 neurotics can run around heeled....

"I support CCW, 45 states have some form of it, and there haven't been problems."
If you don't count more crime and a lot more danger as problems....which most people would.

[fromthehip]

7. Really

Benchley, you are so far off. States with liberal CCW laws have lower violent crime than those that have restrictive laws. Please state for me the reason that LAW ABIDING citizens carrying firearms causes danger. I can't wait to read your response.

[MrBenchley]

9. Not even close to true

but thanks for playing "what's my RKBA fantasy."

"Please state for me the reason that LAW ABIDING citizens carrying firearms causes danger."
You must be fucking kidding me. Ever hear the words "innocent bystander?"

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[fromthehip]

34. Once again.

Please state the reason that Law Abiding citizens carrying firearms causes danger. If you are unable to do that, I will understand why.

[a2birdcage]

8. Going deep....

"I support CCW, 45 states have some form of it, and there haven't been problems."
If you don't count more crime and a lot more danger as problems....which most people would.

Man, that is the most desperate thing I have ever heard. LMAO. Keep em coming Bench. Baaaaaaaaaawwwwwwahhhhh!

[fromthehip]

14. Your links.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/localnews/content/localnews/daily/1013guns.html

http://www.nbc4columbus.com/news/2549184/detail.html

http://www.limanews.com/story.php?IDnum=1515

Obviously they were covered. Now, Bench, could you please state the reason that you are scared of Law Abiding citizens who are armed?

[CO Liberal]

16. It Only Takes a Split Second.......

....to turn an armed "Law Abiding Citizen" into a killer.

Don't forget that.

[fromthehip]

18. Yes!

A killer of the criminal attacker. I see no problem with law abiding citizens defending themselves against attack. Do you think that self-defense should be illegal? If my attacker is trying to kill me, should I not defend myself with the most effective tool available? If a thug is attempting to rape a woman, should she not have the means to defend herself with the most effective tool available?

If you had a gun, are you afraid that you would become a murderer?

[CO Liberal]

21. I Wouldn't Have a Gun

Used one in my youth, through the Boy Scouts and Jr. Rifle Club. Have no desire to have one now. In my 50 years on this planet, I've never seen the need to have one, and that includes the year I lived in Belleville NJ - the town next to Newark.

[fromthehip]

23. That is what makes this country great.

The fact that you are not required to own one, that gun ownership is a personal choice. Some people don't want to own one, or feel that they cannot handle the responsibility of ownership. That is OK. I don't advocate you getting one if you don't want one. However, do you think that I should not have one? If you do, why? If you were to own one, do you think that you would become a murderer?


edit to ask: Could you please respond to the questions in my earlier post?

[MrBenchley]

26. Gee, this says just 50 loonies marched

"“If I’m carrying this gun, I’m protected. I’m protecting myself,” he said. “But I’m not doing a thing for anybody else. We're out here to give people an idea of what could be going on in their neighborhood today.”"
Namely that a bunch of screwlooses could be toting guns and endangering public safety.

"In fact, said Jeffry Smith of Cincinnati, “You have only two choices today. You can carry a concealed gun and risk being arrested for that, or you can wear your gun in plain view, and risk being taken in for disorderly conduct, menacing, causing a panic."
Go figure...guess sane people don't feel safer with armed neurotics prowling the streets.

[fromthehip]

27. Funny

Multiple marches, duh.

Nice comments, keep 'em coming. LMAO!

[MrBenchley]

28. Don't worry, I will

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[MrBenchley]

31. Just 46 posts, too....

Wonder which specimen from highroadrage.com this is?

[FlashHarry]

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[Tinfoil]

11. Can your friends across the river

in Kentucky join in on the marches? We have a much more liberal (ironic.. still kills me) set of laws in Kentucky. One of the main reasons I chose to live here instead of Cincinnati when I moved out here several months ago.

[fromthehip]

20. We welcome you to the walks.

Send me a private message and I'll tell you how to participate. I assume you are in Covington area?

[Wcross]

40. BWAAA- Tennessee has very liberal gun laws too!

I really don't understand these ultra conservative gun control advocates. My State is a liberal utopia- shall issue carry permits, we allow class 3 ownership, you can buy ammo in just about any corner store.
Life is good in a liberal state like Tennessee.

[CO Liberal]

12. Here's a Link About The Ohio "Gun Walks"

This is all I found on Google by searching on {"gun walk" + Ohio). Perhaps this is why the person who started this thread chose not to include a link..... - Wayne

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Plans for walk with loaded guns just silly

As if you didn't have enough to think about, a local gun rights advocate wants you to know that it's perfectly legal and constitutional in Ohio to walk down the street carrying a loaded pistol, out in plain sight, for self-defense.

He's planning to do just that in Lorain on Sunday, Oct. 19, perhaps along with some like-minded people.

Well, duh.

It's also perfectly legal to walk down the street wearing a gorilla suit.

And it is unquestionably constitutional to walk down the street in a ballerina's costume and holding a fish in your teeth.

And thank the full force of Ohio's legal foundations for making it possible for you to yodel in public.

But it's silly.

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http://www.morningjournal.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=1699&dept_id=46368&newsid=10304123&PAG=461&rfi=9

[MrBenchley]

13. Hilarious...

I love this part...


"In fact, this gun walk plan has Lorain's law director calling on the police to escort the gun guys so other citizens who aren't aware of it won't be frightened if they see it.
An escort means the police will have to divert their time and attention from the real job your tax dollars pay them to do. "

http://www.morningjournal.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=1699&dept_id=46368&newsid=10304123&PAG=461&rfi=9

[fromthehip]

15. It is silly.

That's why we want them concealed.

[CO Liberal]

17. I'd Prefer Them Locked Up

:-)

[fromthehip]

19. Locked up is great...

For the guns that I'm not carrying on me. Do you think that the criminals would obey a law demanding that their weapons be locked up? No, they wouldn't...because they are criminals. The only people hurt by a "locked up" at all times law would be the now defenseless law abiding citizens.

[CO Liberal]

22. Same Old Crap - Recrapped

Heard it all before.....didn't change my mind then.....hasn't today....never will.

[fromthehip]

24. I don't care about changing your mind...

I want to get into your mind to see if I can find any information that might change mine. So, please, answer the questions I posed, I want to learn what YOU think.

[fromthehip]

25. Obviously you don't like guns.

Obviously you don't like guns, by your screen-name, I assume you live in Colorado. Colorado has concealed carry, so thousands of law abiding citizens are walking around armed. If you want to come to a place where all the scary law abiding citizens are not armed, come to Ohio. I'm sure you'll feel a lot safer here, knowing that only the criminals have guns.

[Wcross]

33. Well CO Liberal

There is nothing liberal about dictating the self defense options of other people. You don't like guns, by all means you should not own one. You don't like the fact that others have firearms? Sorry, I will not give up my rights to make you feel better. I just can't do that.
I prefer to have the option of being armed. There is no other more effective means of defense, you have noticed that cops carry firearms?
Seeing that cops are always the LAST people to arrive to a crime scene doesn't it make sense for people to be able to enjoy the same level of protection cops do?

Just imagine a sudden kick on your front door right now, followed by other kicks. What are you going to do? They will enter sooner or later. What if they took the time to cut your phone line outside? Thats real easy to do, mine is on the side of the house. Maybe you have a cell phone, what if there are network problems, or if you get no signal? What if you are too excited to get the words out? Now, how long will it take for the police to arrive at your home?
Fantasy? Not really, it happens every day. Just what is your plan to save your life?
If you feel it would be effective to beg and plead for your life, by all means, be my guest. I prefer more effective options.

[CO Liberal]

35. Your Scenario is Very Unreal to Me

I feel very secure in my home. I have a deadbolt lock on the solid steel front door, and two large dogs in my yard. The phone line come in underground, and my wife and I both have cell phones. Plus we have an active Neighborhood Watch program in my neighborhood - we all look out for each other.

[MrBenchley]

36. Gee, if I really believed

that any minute somebody would cut my phone lines and kick in my door in my neighborhood, I'd move...or organize a neighborhood watch...or agitate for more frequent police patrols.

[Wcross]

38. In hindsight, many people that it has happened to...

would do that also. Your home will never be broken into? You could never be a victim of crime? It is too late to rethink the unthinkable when it happens. Couldn't ever happen in MrBenchleys neighborhood, could it?

Sweet dreams MrBenchley.

[MrBenchley]

41. Gee, cross....

Of ccourse it could happen in my neighborhood. Every place has the sort of scum who "have to" have guns.

"It is too late to rethink the unthinkable when it happens."
Well, THERE's a great argument for no background checks at gun shows, eh?

[Wcross]

46. What about Knives,ballbats and catfish?

Yeah, I could beat someone to death with a frozen catfish! You seem obsessed with the gun toting criminals, you ain't skeered of those armed with frozen catfish?

I hate to tell you this but criminals could be armed with any type of weapon. Sorry, I wouldn't want to be slashed, stabbed, beaten or hurt by a criminal. I choose the gun as my defense because it is the most effective way to stop an attack.

[MrBenchley]

49. Too frigging funny,, cross....

"you ain't skeered of those armed with frozen catfish?"
Being sane, no, I'm not....

"I hate to tell you this but criminals could be armed with any type of weapon."
So why not let the corrupt gun industry cash in, eh, cross?

[Wcross]

52. Be afraid..very afraid!

Have you ever been whacked with a frozen Catfish?

I didn't think so!

[MrBenchley]

56. Gee, cross, is that your new standard of truth?

Getting walloped by frozen fish?

[Wcross]

65. Yup

I thought you could relate! Point is, someone breaking and entering could be armed with any type of weapon.

[CO Liberal]

55. And How Many Mass Murderers Use Frozen Catfish??

Other than Long John Silver's and Captain D's?

:-)

[MrBenchley]

57. Look out! He's got a Trout!!

Is that an eel in your pocket or are you glad to see me?

[Wcross]

61. At least its concealed! n/t

[Wcross]

64. Just wait!

All it takes is one lousy cook!

We were talking about defending ones home against an armed invader- be it a gun, a knife, or a catfish. Given enough time, I could beat to death 20 people with a frozen catfish or run them over at the farmers market with my car. Moot point, I know I will never commit mass murder,I know there is no real way to control guns to an extent that mass murder would be 100% out of the question. I prefer to accept the fact and be prepared. Come on, Uncle sams misguided children trained me, I think i can handle firearms safley.

[Wcross]

37. My scenario is quite a bit different.

I have no neighbors within a 1/2 mile. I have five dogs, all of them sweet little mutts. A phone would produce an officer in about 1/2 an hour or so unless I was lucky.
As I said, you may not need a gun, I feel it is prudent to be armed in my situation. Your stance on "locking up" all the guns would prevent me a means of defense. It seems as if you have no concerns about armed criminals, how about I get to decide what part of your defense plan you have to give up, then I might give up my guns in return.

[MrBenchley]

39. Gee, cross...

Aren't you always boasting about how everybody in your neck of the woods has guns?

Maybe if there was some common sense gun control (like background checks at your state's gun shows), you wouldn't have to be so fearful all the time..

[Wcross]

43. Now your just being silly!

So one would feel completely safe from gun violence in a model gun-control showplace such as Washington D.C.?

Do you have a fire extiguisher in your home? Do you lock your doors at night? Do you have motion detection lights? A gun is just another protection tool, nothing more, nothing less.

Would it really matter if the people breaking in had guns or a baseball bat? I don't feel I should have to take a beating for the gun-control crowd! I would use my guns to prevent an old fashioned baseball bat whooping or a stab wound just as fast as against a gunman.

As with most non-dealers in other states, private sellers are not required to run a background check. The majority of firearms sales at our gunshows are by FFL dealers who follow all regulations.

I am not fearful, just prepared. I was once an eagle scout in my mis-spent youth. I am always prepared.

[MrBenchley]

47. Jeze, ccross, I'm not the one crowing about everybody having guns

and sniveling that they're going to attack....

"So one would feel completely safe from gun violence in a model gun-control showplace such as Washington D.C.?"
No, thanks to the corrupt gun industry and the GOP....
"Do you have a fire extiguisher in your home? Do you lock your doors at night? Do you have motion detection lights? A gun is just another protection tool, nothing more, nothing less."
Yeah, surrrrrre......we can tell by all the posts on here demanding motion detector lights....

"As with most non-dealers in other states, private sellers are not required to run a background check."
Then don't come crying to me that criminals have got guns...especially since that seems just dan-dan-dandy to you.

"I am not fearful, just prepared."
Yeah, it shows when you say things like "They will enter sooner or later. What if they took the time to cut your phone line outside? Thats real easy to do, mine is on the side of the house. Maybe you have a cell phone, what if there are network problems, or if you get no signal? What if you are too excited to get the words out?"

Jeeze, the victim in Dial M for Murder was cool as a cucumber in comparison to that terrified rant..

[Wcross]

50. Buddy!

I am supporting the right to keep and bear arms. I don't care if you have a gun, I am not afraid of gun ownership by the people.

I don't have my head in the sand, I know shit happens. I just don't want it to happen to me. Is it unwise to be prepared for anything? Do you deny that everyday there is a home invasion commited in the U.S.?

It probably will never happen to me but I don't want the last thing I think about to be "Damn, I wish I had a gun..."

[MrBenchley]

53. Cross!

"I am supporting the right to keep and bear arms."
As distorted by dishonest folks like John AshKKKroft.

"I don't care if you have a gun, I am not afraid of gun ownership by the people."
Gee, and yet in another post on this very thread, you're claiming to be terrified that people will cut your phone lines and break down your door.

[Wcross]

59. Terrified or prepared?

I am ready for all types of things, I can't understand the mindset that "it could never happen to me". I dug a tornado shelter this summer- odds are I will never "need" it, was that paranoid also? Well then call me one paranoid sumbitch, but a prepared, paranoid sumbitch!

[MrBenchley]

62. Terrified

and pretty obviously so.

[Wcross]

66. In what way?

I can defend myself. If you REALLY are what you say you are and practice what you preach (so few of you anti's do),you can't defend yourself to the same degree.

I will sleep sound tonight, will you?

[MrBenchley]

68. Gee, cross

which of us is publicly fretting about being too frightened to speak on a phone? (Hint: it ain't me or CO liberal).

[Wcross]

76. Ever get excited?

Have you ever had a HIGH stress situation occur in your life? How do you know you will be able to communicate effectivly under extremly high stress? I was throwing in all the possible problems that could occur while using 911 (dial a prayer)

I could do a lot more if I were paranoid- I think in my situation I require a firearm because relying on someone with a gun to come to my rescue will consume too much time.

I am also convinced the reason my area has so few "hot" breakins is the fact that most every household is armed. No punk criminal wants to die any more than your average person. I am just doing my part to protect my neighbors!

[MrBenchley]

77. Gee, cross....

I don't get all moist and hot thinking about guns, if that's what you're after....

"I am also convinced the reason my area has so few "hot" breakins is the fact that most every household is armed."
Well, fantasy is a wonderful thing....

[Wcross]

78. Hot break-in

Criminals breaking in while the occupents are home is a "hot" break-in. As far as your sexual life, I don't care if it takes guns to do that for you. It is none of my business, but thanks for sharing it with us!

"Well, fantasy is a wonderful thing...."

I will have to take your word for it!

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[CO Liberal]

42. I Have NEVER Advocated Locking Up ALL Guns

I have no problem with keeping one gun handy if you feel the need for self-defense. But any guns not under your immediate control should be locked to prrevent others from gettin to them.

If you're gonna characterize my position, please get it right.

Thank you.

[Wcross]

44. Sorry, I misunderstood this post

CO Liberal (1000+ posts) Mon Oct-13-03 05:04 PM
Response to Reply #15

17. I'd Prefer Them Locked Up


You will be glad to hear I do keep a gun safe, it has the "good" guns in it. I do have a carry pistol and a shotgun that never get unloaded or see the inside of the safe.

[CO Liberal]

45. Yes - I'd Rather Have Them Locked Up Than Carried Around Concealed

I'm afrain that's just asking for trouble. Could you imagine the carnage if a major city (such as Midtown Manhattan) had a majority of its people packing heat??? I shudder to think about it........

[Wcross]

48. Hasn't happened in Nashville

I don't understand why the people of Manhatten would be any less trustworthy. To get a permit you have to have an extensive background check- FBI style. You have to take a training course and qualify on the range.
Can you imagine the carnage if only criminals were carrying firearms- oh, thats already the case! Oh, my!

We will never pass a law that will cease criminal possesion of firearms, ya see, they don't obey the law.

I have faith in human nature- people know right from wrong.
I am sorry you don't have the same opinion.

[MrBenchley]

51. Who are you trying to kid, cross?

There were more than 50,000 violent crimes in Nashville....quite a lot for a city of about half a million.

"I have faith in human nature- people know right from wrong."
Yeah, we can tell...."They will enter sooner or later. What if they took the time to cut your phone line outside? Thats real easy to do, mine is on the side of the house. Maybe you have a cell phone, what if there are network problems, or if you get no signal? What if you are too excited to get the words out?"

[Wcross]

54. How many commited by CCW holders?

I didn't say I had faith in those that couldn't pass the required background check to get a concealed permit.

[MrBenchley]

58. Gee, cross, what's the difference?

Of course, since the names of CCW permit holders are kept hidden from the public, there's no way to tell.....

[Wcross]

60. Really?

You don't think the Brady bunch would make a stink about it?

[MrBenchley]

63. Really...

Why do you think they hide those records from the public?

[Wcross]

67. Really really!

When a shooting occurs, it becomes public knowledge if the accused is a permit holder. In the cases where the permit holder uses his or her gun lawfully it is on the news, haven't seen if in a crime it is on the news, it hasn't happened yet. Police talk to the news outlets- carry permits will be revealed.

[MrBenchley]

69. Really...

Why do you think the push is to keep those names secret?

[demsrule4life]

70. Privacy issue?

They don't give out license plate info either.

[MrBenchley]

71. Yeah, surrrrrrrre...

That must be it. </sarcasm>

[Withergyld]

72. Hmmm

Could criminals use the information to steal firearms?
Match the name to an address. Watch the place until everyone is gone. Go steal the rest of the targets weapons. If a criminal was looking to steal weapons it could be a goldmine.

[MrBenchley]

73. Why bother?

How many dimwits put up signs that say crap like "This home protected by Smith & Wesson?

Hell, I recall a newsstory last year where some armed ninny hung his guns in plain sight of the street...and then was amazed some criminal took them..

[demsrule4life]

74. Dimwits everywhere

Doesnt mean that non dimwits need to put up with a state sponsered steal me list.

[MrBenchley]

75. Yeah, but the gun rights movement is thick with them

They run through it like weevils in a flour bin....

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

80. I hope your doorframe is solid steel as well

otherwise that massive door and deadbolt are going to be as strong as the 4" of wood that the deadbolt locks into.