Knob Creek makes the WSJ...

[DoNotRefill]

http://www.opinionjournal.com/la/?id=110004165


BTW, the thing he says looked like a schoolbus wasn't a schoolbus, it was an old RV. And I REALLY feel sorry for anybody who has to RENT a full auto gun. $55 for 50 rounds of 7.92? That runs $.06 a round in bulk.

[DBoon]

1. I though this was going to be about whiskey

Not guns. Foolish me.

[RoeBear]

2. Curious...

...is the WSJ considered pro-gun or anti-gun, liberal or conservative?

[MrBenchley]

3. Gee, roe...

The Walll Steet Journal is considered one of the most right wing pro-Republican papers in the country...

During the Clinton years, they were one of the nation's biggest purveyors of lies and horseshit.

http://www.fair.org/extra/9509/whitewater-wsj.html

[juancarlos]

4. Great article.

I'd love to go watch that event sometime. I bet it would be spectacular.

[DonP]

5. It's an incredible thing to see first hand

Pretty accurate summary of the event and the tone of things when you are there, WSJ editorial prejudice nonwithstanding.

Knob Creek is the largest and most famous machine gun get together, but they have a few others around the country. You can bring your own hearing protection or buy or rent some when you get there. You'll need it, trust me.

Flame throwers always scared the crap out of me but being able to fire a M-2 .50 again or an M-60 was a nostalgia trip for me and a few other old birds like myself. I keep expecting to run into guys from my old Cav unit when I'm there but there are plenty of veterans and younger folks as well. A lot of families show up too.

It is worth the drive IMHO. Bring your camera too. You'll definitely want a picture of you shooting an old Thompson for the mantel when your Mother-in-Law comes over.

Don P.

[MrBenchley]

6. By the way...

"This is a good point to note that although I appeared friendly in my NRA ball cap and eager grin, folks here were naturally skeptical of a reporter. They'd been burned too often by TV reporters who come to these shows once a decade and find the tiny percentage of attendees wearing Nazi uniforms or spewing some hokum about the Trilateral Commission. They then go back to their New York editing rooms and paint these extremists as indicative of the "gun culture." But after just five minutes here, it was clear that there's nothing more extreme about these people and their love of guns than the folks who travel the world over collecting Hummels or salt shakers."

Gee, I wonder just how many people at the Hummel Collector's festival are toddling around wearing Nazi uniforms?

[juancarlos]

7. sorry, doesn't work

Sorry, that doesn't work. Note the phrase "tiny percentage" being used to describe the atendees wearing the uniform. Obviously the writer was comparing the Hummel Collectors to the people not in the "tiny percentage".

[MrBenchley]

10. WHAT doesn't work?

KORESH!! Go back and read what I wrote...I know DAMN WELL there aren't asswipes in Gestapo uniforms wandering around admiring Hummels among the collectors.

Why are there ANY attendees wearing Nazi uniforms any place decent people are gathering? Do you think there's anybody on this board who HAS TO say "I went to the Molly Ivins book sgining last night and there were only a few people in Nazi uniforms among the audience..."

[juancarlos]

18. What doesn't work

Is the denigration of all gun owners because a "tiny percentage" have Nazi uniforms. Please stop attacking and try to argue your point of view, I would love to read you when you are more ready for calm discussion.

[MrBenchley]

22. Gee, pal...

Why do ANY of them have Nazi uniforms?

"Please stop attacking and try to argue your point of view"
MY point of view is that not many sane decent people hang around with groups where ANY percentage of the crowd is armed nutcases in Nazi uniforms.

[juancarlos]

25. Gee, pal

Do you claim that all people who are armed are nutcases? Or only people in Nazi uniforms?

[MrBenchley]

40. You mean you think

there are sane people who run around in public in NNazi uniforms with guns?

[a2birdcage]

27. So if you.......

are a democrat and someone else you don't even know happens to be a democrat and also is a child molester then by your logic all democrats are insane. I mean why would anyone want to be associated with child molesters unless they are one, right? I'm a gun enthusiast and do not know or care to know anyone who puts on a Nazi uniform. Just because there are a few bad apples on the tree it doesn't mean the whole tree is bad. Once again you logic has proven to be anything but sane.

[MrBenchley]

43. Hahahahahahahaha...

"I'm a gun enthusiast and do not know or care to know anyone who puts on a Nazi uniform."
"I'm a gun enthusiast and do not know or care to know anyone who puts on a Nazi uniform."
Don't go to Knob Creek then...

[a2birdcage]

48. Don't belong to the Democratic party.....

because there is sure to be someone in it who is a child molester. Even though the percentage is small they are still there. Your logic is hilarious.

[MrBenchley]

54. AH, RKBA logic....

No wonder you guys think Mary Rosh is a scientist....

[a2birdcage]

64. Actually...

it's your logic.

[MrBenchley]

66. No

But thanks for playing "What's my RKBA fantasy."

[DoNotRefill]

29. Maybe they're Fetishists?

Do you have a problem with people enjoying sex in different ways?

[MrBenchley]

44. Careful, refill....

your desperation is spilling out.

[DoNotRefill]

50. heh...google ....

"nazi" and "fetish" and see what you come up with....

[MrBenchley]

67. Even funnier

google "Nazi" and "gun rights" and see what YOU come up with...

"by Dr. William L. Pierce, Chairman, the National Alliance
(a speech given by Dr. Pierce on the nationwide radio program, AMERICAN DISSIDENT VOICES, January 29th, 1994)
THERE IS HARDLY AN ISSUE which more sharply divides White Americans than "gun control." There is hardly a more significant difference than that which exists between the people who want gun control and those who don't. For there is a great temperamental and ideological divide between those who believe in self-defense and those who believe in surrendering and begging for mercy. "

http://www.natvan.com/american-dissident-voices/adv012994.html

"Bushmaster Requests Your Help in Preventing Junk Lawsuits Against the Firearms Industry "

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=64424

[demsrule4life]

37. Does anybody have any control

who shows up where ever they might be? Only place I have any control is my own property. In public I have to tolerate anybody else I run up upon. But isnt that the American way?

[MrBenchley]

45. Gee, dems...

You REALLY think that armed loonies in Nazi uniforms is an everyday sight?

Even more the point, do you REALLY think anybody else would buy that?

[a2birdcage]

53. You appear.....

to be the only one who isn't buying it. Look how many people constantly oppose you versus defend you. You are out-gunned (pun intended) just like your racist freedom hating agenda is.

[demsrule4life]

59. Slam dunk

America has always been about accepting everybody for who they are. We might slip once in awhile but we soon get our shit together again. There is only one person on this board that is not capable of that, but I won't mention any names. Isn't that the American way?

[MrBenchley]

69. "accepting everybody for who they are"

Hell, I accept that there are lunatics in the gun rights movement who are racist pieces of shit...

"Isn't that the American way?"
Why, here's somebody who agrees with you....

"I know that I am championing the American Way of Life. I would be worried if I were not watched, for then I wouldn't be doing my job.

      Because of our efforts, minorities cannot say that their Second Reconstruction has been imposed. Communists cannot say that Mississippi has been defeated. And terrorists cannot say that America has been brought down. The lesson is that tomorrow is another day: that a stronger and better national agency to safeguard against un-Americanism must now emerge. "

http://www.nationalist.org/news/releases/2001/action.html

[a2birdcage]

71. And I accept.......

anybody who backs gun control to also back racist ideas. Here's my new sig line: Gun Control, once a racist idea always a racist idea.

[MrBenchley]

60. Gee, you mean because the RKBA crowd

howls in rage whenever an uncomfortable truth is revealed I'm supposed to be chagrined?

"You are out-gunned (pun intended) just like your racist freedom hating agenda is."
Gee, and yet my side isn't running around dressed up like Nazis...

NOR does my side consist of the racist scum of the earth...

John AshKKKroft
Trent Lott
Tom DeLay
Grover Norquist
Bob Barr
Ted NNugent
Jeff Cooper
Larry Pratt
Bo Gritz
John Trochman
Randy Weaver
David Koresh
Tim McVeigh

"We stand against gun control laws, including the civil process of holding firearm makers liable for the act of a criminal. "

http://hometown.aol.com/cofccsaxon/myhomepage/


"Bushmaster Requests Your Help in Preventing Junk Lawsuits Against the Firearms Industry "

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=64424

"During the 1990s, Montanans became well aware of Stanko for his role as a founding reverend in the racist Church of the Creator, for his ties to the radical Freemen, and for his outspoken belief that it is patriotic to advocate hatred toward the federal government and civil servants who enforce the laws of the land.
"There is a tendency among people that, when they find out a person is openly and overtly racist, to think the person is dumb, but Rudy is smart," Toole says. "He knows how to organize people by uniting them around controversies of the moment, whether that is making a case for taking the law into one's own hands and shooting grizzlies, beating up gay people, picketing abortion clinics, or defending gun rights in light of controversy created by the Maryland sniper case." "

http://www.rickross.com/reference/hate_groups/hategroups346.html

"Therefore, if the so-called Jews are not descended from Abraham, as any historian, geneticist, or even any Rabbi will freely admit, then they are not God’s chosen people. If they are not, then fundamentalist Christians should no longer put up with Jewish support for homosexuality, gun control, open immigration, and forced racial integration. "

http://www.whiterevolution.com/july092003text.shtml

"I was astounded to read these courageous remarks by Charlton Heston. I am thankful to hear a man with such high esteem say essentially the same things for which I have been reviled by the liberal media. His words should be reproduced and put into the hands of every American."

http://www.duke.org/writings/heston.html

"by Dr. William L. Pierce, Chairman, the National Alliance
(a speech given by Dr. Pierce on the nationwide radio program, AMERICAN DISSIDENT VOICES, January 29th, 1994)
THERE IS HARDLY AN ISSUE which more sharply divides White Americans than "gun control." There is hardly a more significant difference than that which exists between the people who want gun control and those who don't. For there is a great temperamental and ideological divide between those who believe in self-defense and those who believe in surrendering and begging for mercy. "

http://www.natvan.com/american-dissident-voices/adv012994.html

But hell, let's see how they feel up on GD....

[demsrule4life]

70. I have a better idea

you go on up to the GD and post that you think all gun owners are Nazis, KKK inbred trailor trash. I have been very honest with you today on another thread on how I feel. I hate groups or people that preach hate. It seems to me you are the only person on JP/S that preaches hate. I have never stated that I hate antigun people, I have always said that antigunners have a right to their feelings, the few antigunners on here understand that and argue facts and not resort to name calling.

[slackmaster]

72. Amen DR4L!

:toast:

A toast to the post.

I dislike hate-filled people too but feel some compassion (perhaps pity) for them.

Usually if you look at them closely you'll find there is some underlying reason for their hatred - They were brought up badly, they were abused by someone they perceive to be a member of the group they hate, or they are just plain ignorant.

[MrBenchley]

74. Sure thing....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=544260

"It seems to me you are the only person on JP/S that preaches hate."
Yeah? What did you think all those "gun control is racist" horseshit threads were? Which group was it that has the enemies list?

"I hate groups or people that preach hate."
Funny, I'm not the one pushing the same ideas as Ted Nugent and Trent Lott push...or trying to spin away armed lunatics obsessed with the third reich. Nor am I the one branding public figures as "Communists."

[DoNotRefill]

28. Well...if you'd ever been there...

You'd know that a LOT of historical re-enactors go there. It's not unusual to see people wandering around in WWII era German, American, British, and Soviet uniforms. Sometimes, if you pay close attention, you'll see the same guy wearing different country's uniforms each day of the show...this past weekend, I saw the same guy wandering around Friday in a WWII US uniform, Saturday in a Wehrmacht uniform, and Sunday in a WWII Soviet uniform. It was pretty impressive...he had the entire "kit"...not just uniforms, but all field equipment, and a Thompson, MP-40, and a PPSH-41, too. I also saw a different guy this past weekend wandering around in a British uniform, complete with skirt. The re-enactors even brought period vehicles.

[a2birdcage]

35. Yeah Surrrrrrrrrrrre!

I thought I would respond for him.

[DonP]

73. Re-enactors attend the shoot in uniforms

FWIW On the uniform issue. I've been there.

There are a large number of fully uniformed re-enactors that attend Knob Creek.

You not only see a couple of guys in Wehrmacht uniforms with MG-42's, but Civil War Union troops with Gatling Guns and yes Soviet Cold War uniforms with full auto Soviet hardware too.

There are also people in WW II British and American uniforms with their Bren and Sten guns and Thompson's.

Sorry, it's not a political statement, any more than the people who re-enact Gettysburg and do the Confederate side actually believe in slavery. It's a costume guys not a political statement.

Don P.

[demsrule4life]

8. Grow up

A real nice day here, a little cool, no humidity. Decided to go to the rifle range today. Mostly guys in their 60's doing a little shooting with their grandkids. Questions asked, questions answered about loads being used, every one being friendly to each other. No racists, KKK or people wearing Nazi uniforms in the area. Just a nice day in the outdoors. What you need to do is go to a couple of different ranges, try to act like a decent guy and ask questions about the guns and ammo being used. Hell even ask if you could shoot a few, most if not all will let you. You will soon learn that most gun owners are friendly and want to help.

[RoeBear]

9. Don't ask Benchley...

...to visit the 'dark side'. He might not be able to some back to the 'light'.

[MrBenchley]

12. Gee, roe....

Most sane people would consider a place where armed nutcases are traipsing about in Nazi uniforms as the "dark side." But then I AM talking to a guy who pretends Missisippi was not a Jim Crow state but Michigan was.

[RoeBear]

13. I've been alerted to the fact that you are lying about me.

WTF are you talking about? When did I ever say something about Mississippi? Respond quickly while I have you off ignore.

[MrBenchley]

15. No lie, just fact, roe...

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[MrBenchley]

16. Might as well go to personal attacks, guys

But I'm not the one who pointed out that this nutfest had "attendees wearing Nazi uniforms"....that was the RKBA crowd's own article...

[juancarlos]

19. I'm sure that

A typically liberal event like modern woodstock had people in Communist garb, so just stop. Please discuss and quit attacking.

[MrBenchley]

20. WHAT?

"modern woodstock had people in Communist garb"
What the hell is "Communist garb"?

"Please discuss"
Discuss what? What kind of asswipe runs around in a Nazi uniform? What kind of gathering has racist nitwits like that waltzing through the crowd?

[juancarlos]

21. Please discuss in general

and stop attacking in general. Communist garb, like slogan Tshirts and whatnot. Please stop painting with a broad brush and start talking policy.

[MrBenchley]

23. In general...

Nobody but a racist imbecile runs around in public in a Nazi uniform with a gun...

"Communist garb, like slogan Tshirts"
Say WHAT? Which communist did you see in a slogan T-shirt? Lenin? Stalin? Khruschev?

[juancarlos]

24. Are you claiming that

All gun owners are racist imbeciles? Please respond.

[DoNotRefill]

31. Che shows up a lot...

along with RATM shirts, which are heavy on the whole Soviet thing...

[MrBenchley]

39. Yeah, surrrrrrre....

And Wayne LaPierrre is Queen of the May...

[DoNotRefill]

42. Are you saying there's not much soviet memorabilia at gunshows?

like Soviet hats, uniforms, medals, badges, commemorative items, et cetera? How would you fucking KNOW?

[a2birdcage]

46. You know what's great.....

about Bench? He fuels my fire to continue the fight against gun control and the idiotic people who support it but don't understand a damn thing. I suggest to not let him get to you but to use his fear and anger to fight harder and harder.

[slackmaster]

52. Mine too, a2birdcage

If not for the rabid "all gun owners are Nazis" crowd there wouldn't be much of a need to fight against all attempts to implement Fascist gun controls.

[MrBenchley]

47. I know

not many sane decent people run around in places where armed shitheels wear Nazi uniforms....

[DoNotRefill]

55. Hey Bench...

Are people who wear bits of old Soviet uniforms really communists?

I've got a kickass (it's VERY warm) Soviet fur hat that I sometimes wear in the winter...does that mean I'm a communist?

[slackmaster]

57. My mom brought me East German medals from her trip to Germany

About a year after the Wall came down my mom, her sister, and their mom (my grandma) all went to visit Germany. None of them had been there since the 1950s and none had ever been to former East Berlin. They brought back all kinds of cool stuff.

I display East German medals on my knick-knack shelf. I guess that makes me a Commie.

:tinfoilhat:
:tinfoilhat:
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:tinfoilhat:
:tinfoilhat:

[MrBenchley]

65. Gee, refill

You see lots of people dressing up like the Soviet Army where you are, do you?

Where was this? A bookstore? A concert?

[slackmaster]

49. Absolutely right

East German stuff too. Those gun shows must be crawling with Commies!

I've even seen World War II era Japanese flags and working firearms with live ammo for sale right next to them. Must be folks who haven't heard that World War II is over.

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[DoNotRefill]

30. Hey, Thinktank...

I saw a guy at the Creek wandering around in a Che T-shirt...does that mean he's a communist?

[MrBenchley]

33. DID you?

I believe you...thousands wouldn't.

[DoNotRefill]

34. I have a picture of him...

because he's a buddy of mine...

[slackmaster]

58. I believe you

You've given me no reason to believe you are not a truthful person.

[juancarlos]

17. hoplophobes might poop themselves?

Is that really true? It reminds me of the South Park episode where Cartman discovered the sound that would make people crap themselves. How can somebody be that terrified of an inanimate object?

[a2birdcage]

26. How the hell.....

am I suppose to know? He's the one with the disease. Only he can truly understand it. Isn't it funny how he sits here and says all this shit about Nazi uniforms and racism but yet he believes in strict gun control which was born from racist ideas? I was told yesterday that since the KKK was born from racism that anyone involved had to be racist. Wouldn't the same be true for gun control followers? If it was born out of racism it could never be made to be a good thing, right? I'm just glad that what I'm fighting for was born out of want for freedom.

[MrBenchley]

38. Might as well stick with the personal attacks....

It's not like you have any real substance, guys.

[slackmaster]

62. Mr. Pot

Meet Mr. Kettle.

[MrBenchley]

14. Gee, dems....

It's a nice day here too.....and no percentage at all of people wandering around in Nazi uniforms here.

Jeeze, I wasn't even the person posting the article pointing out there were shitheels in Nazi uniforms at this jamboree...

As for growing up...I outgrew playing "Bang bang cowboy" when I was eight or so...

[DoNotRefill]

32. Hey MrBenchley...

Can you tell the difference between a "Nazi uniform" and a "Wehrmacht uniform"? There's a pretty big fucking difference...and I'd remind you that people wearing Wehrmacht uniforms tried to bust a cap in Hitler's ass....

[MrBenchley]

36. Gee, refill

"Can you tell the difference between a "Nazi uniform" and a "Wehrmacht uniform"? "
I'm not the one making the claim....that was the guy from the Wall Street Journal article YOU posted.

"There's a pretty big fucking difference...and I'd remind you that people wearing Wehrmacht uniforms tried to bust a cap in Hitler's ass."
But didn't do a thing but pitch in and help when Jews were exterminated and other countries were invaded...the Wehrmacht was only annoyed the little paperhanging madman was LOSING the War.

[DoNotRefill]

41. Your point?

Lots of countries did nothing to oppose German aggression early during the Nazi reign. Lots of countries turned away Jewish refugees. And lots of countries signed treaties with the Nazis giving into their aggression.

I love having intellegent discussions about WWII with people. Consequently, I'm not going to discuss this further with you.

[MrBenchley]

51. Blindingly obvious

"Lots of countries did nothing to oppose German aggression early during the Nazi reign. "
Gee and yet there's no mention in this article of folks dressed like Belgians in the 1940s. But there are armed lunatics wearing Nazi uniforms....

"I love having intellegent discussions about WWII with people."
Yeah? How are they dressed when you have these intellegent discussions?

[DoNotRefill]

56. Well, right now I'm wearing a bathrobe, t-shirt, sweatpants, and socks...

along with Vicks vap-o-rub on my chest because I have a nasty cold. Oh, sorry, I'm discussing this with you...never mind...

[slackmaster]

61. What kind of hairstyle are you wearing

I hope it's not a mullet.

(apologies to CO Liberal, teasing not meant in a mean way)

[MrBenchley]

63. Might as well go to the personal attacks, refill

it's not like you got a leg to stand on....AGAIN.

[slackmaster]

68. Mr. Kettle

Meet Mr. Pot.

[otohara]

75. Locking

Another thread which has quickly degenerated into a series of personal attacks.

Time to move on to a new subject.

Otohara
DU Moderator