An NRA Friend Fires Back At Certain Critics

[MrBenchley]

Hard to find much of anyone anywhere defending the National Rifle Association's enemies list...but if onne keeps digging, eventually one does...

And what a pal, too....

"Jews Launch Campaign To Destroy NRA
Complain That Group Is Accurately Reporting Their Anti-Gun Views
Note that the Jewish groups named are not surprised at being called anti-gun, because they are anti-gun, so what are the Jews complaining about again? Are they just writing the article in an attempt to demonize the NRA, while having no substance to it?"

http://www.overthrow.com/lsn/news.asp?articleID=6108

[slackmaster]

1. Failing to tar the NRA as racist, MrBenchley tries for anti-Semitic

What will you try when this one fails? May I suggest homophobia?

[MrBenchley]

3. Fails?

Gee, slack, this shows exactly the sort of folks the NRA's enemies list was made to appeal to.

"May I suggest homophobia?"
Wouldn't be the first time for that, either....ever read Heston's speech to those far right wing loonies?

"I know, I know... it is not easy. Imagine being point man for the National Rifle Association, preserving the right to keep and bear arms. ...I find my blood pressure rising when Clinton's cultural shock troops participate in homosexual-rights fund-raisers but boycott gun-rights fund-raisers... and then claim it's time to place homosexual men in tents with Boy Scouts, and suggest that sperm donor babies born into lesbian relationships are somehow better served and more loved."

http://www.vpc.org/nrainfo/speech.html

"The National Rifle Association's annual convention in Reno, Nev., degenerated on Sunday into a session of gay-bashing, with one commentator referring to anti-gun talk show host Rosie O'Donnell as a "freak" for her recent admission that she's a lesbian.
During a two-hour panel discussion attacking the media for distorting the views of gun-rights proponents, all but one speaker took an opportunity to slam gays and lesbians -- including O'Donnell -- in some manner.
O'Donnell, who had a much-publicized 1999 tiff with actor Tom Selleck about his NRA support, is "not cool, she's the freak," said conservative commentator Debbie Schlussel, a frequent guest on "The Howard Stern Show" and Fox News. "

http://www.planetout.com/pno/news/article.html?date=2002/04/29/2

[Emoto]

7. It comes out a little differently in context

Thanks for the link to that speech, benchmeister!

The thing is, like so much else that you post, it presents a distorted view of what was imparted. By posting what you did of Hesotn's speech, you made him seem anti-gay. Now read it again with the preceding paragraph in place, and you can see the difference:

The gay and lesbian movement is another good example. Many homosexuals are hugely talented artists and executives... also dear friends. I don't despise their lifestyle, though I don't share it. As long as gay and lesbian Americans are as productive, law-abiding and private as the rest of us, I think America owes them absolute tolerance. It's the right thing to do.

But on the other hand, I find my blood pressure rising when Clinton's cultural shock troops participate in homosexual-rights fund-raisers but boycott gun-rights fund-raisers... and then claim it's time to place homosexual men in tents with Boy Scouts, and suggest that sperm donor babies born into lesbian relationships are somehow better served and more loved.

[MrBenchley]

8. Who are you trying to kid?

It's still a bigoted pantload.

[CO Liberal]

4. Failing to Show the NRA As an Upstanding Organization......

...Slackmaster tried to discredit a critic.

[slackmaster]

14. You're missing my point too CO

My mission here is to point out illogical arguments, not to defend anyone or anything.

[MrBenchley]

15. Who are you trying to kid, slack?

"My mission here is to point out illogical arguments"

Fire away!

"Emoto (794 posts) Mon Oct-20-03 03:13 PM
Response to Original message
6. I like these guys:"

[slackmaster]

17. Allow me to clarify my mission

To point out illegal arguments proffered by gun control fanatics.

[MrBenchley]

18. In other words...

As we already knew "not to defend anyone or anything" was a steaming pantload.

[slackmaster]

19. Your post does not make sense on any level

Grammatical or otherwise.

[MrBenchley]

20. Sure it does, slack...

Now I suggest you cry about it to someone who wants to pimp for the NRA.

"The NRA claims that the individuals and organizations on the list have ``anti-gun`` views or have supported ``anti-gun`` causes. If that`s the case, the list proves that everyone disagrees with the NRA and supports some form of gun control."

http://www.cpwire.com/archive/2003/10/15/1414.asp

[slackmaster]

21. Cited source has zero credibility

From the linked page:

"In addition, the site focuses on two critical NRA initiatives currently before Congress. The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (S. 659/H.R. 1036), which already passed the House and will soon be up for a vote in the Senate, would provide blanket immunity to gun manufacturers, gun shops, dealers and distributors even in cases in which their negligence contributed to an injury or death...."

Any source that distorts reality that badly is of no use in any serious discussion.

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[MrBenchley]

28. Zero credibility with whom, slack?

[iverglas]

22. "illegal arguments"?

If arguments were illegal, wouldn't somebody be having a little freedom-of-speech problem??

Okay ... my bet is that it was supposed to be "illogical arguments", but ya just never knows.


Oh look ... reading backwards in time, I hit post # 14, and sure enough, "illogical arguments" it is.

I am left wondering about Freudian slips showing, but secure in my ability and desire to look for and find meaning, despite the impediments thrown in my path ...

.

[MrBenchley]

24. Perhaps he is hoping

that after the corrupt bastards make suing the gun industry illegal, the GOP will next make blaspheming against the sacred gun fetish an actual crime....

[slackmaster]

26. Typo, I meant illogical arguments

I'm typing over a remote control application and there is often a considerable lag between when I type something and when the display on my side updates.

I am left wondering about Freudian slips showing, but secure in my ability and desire to look for and find meaning, despite the impediments thrown in my path ...

Freud once said "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."

[CO Liberal]

27. Can We Then Assume......

...that part of your mission is to defend illogical arguments proffered by gun fanatics?

(I'm assuming you meant to type the word "illogical" - I don't think any of the arguments on this board are strictly illegal, unless AssKKKroft is really cracking down with the Patriot Act.....)

[CO Liberal]

2. A Man Is Known By The Company He Keeps

The same holds true for organizations.

[MrBenchley]

5. It's instructive to see

not only the sort of groups the NRA considers enemies, but the ones the NRA counts in the friends column...

P.S.: If, as some people say, the only rationale for someone's presence on the NRA's list is them being anti-gun, then how can this group be considered anything but pro-gun?

[Emoto]

6. I like these guys:

Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership

http://www.jpfo.org/

If any group should understand the utter and absolute necessity for the right to keep and bear arms, be it for defense against lone antagonists or whole governments, it is the jews.

[MrBenchley]

9. And Trent Lott eats Uncle Ben's rice...

[Man_in_the_Moon]

10. So does Akeem...

nt

[Emoto]

11. Eh?

Rice?

[Romulus]

12. what about this guy:

http://www.jta.org/page_view_story.asp?intarticleid=13337&intcategoryid=4

Jews appear on ‘blacklist,’
prepared by NRA, of gun haters

*snip*
Abraham Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League, shrugged off the issue.

“There’s nothing wrong with it,” Foxman said.

Calling it a blacklist is “inappropriate,” he said, because the NRA does not petition members to take any action against those listed.

The ADL is “appropriately on there because we are an organization that has opposed” the NRA on gun legislation, Foxman said. The list only “adds credibility to them and to us.”

*snip/end*

I guess the NRA is so insidious that it gets people it descibes as being an "opponent" to "shill" for the NRA. :eyes:

[MrBenchley]

13. Yeah, that's the ticket...

From the same article:

"Shelley Klein, director of advocacy for Hadassah, which is on the list, said that “to try to stigmatize organizations” and reduce multifaceted groups to a single issue is “really troubling.”
But Klein was largely dismissive of the list.
“Seeing the company we keep, we’re not concerned,” she said."

[MrBenchley]

16. Other NRA friends speak out

"To: Grit
I'll bet 99% support abortion and 98% outright "legal" infanticide ("late term abortion"). Thanks for posting.
10 posted on 10/13/2003 4:20 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Dems lie 'cause they have to...) "

"To: johnny7; dansangel
Thanks for the post. This is definately a bookmark..
Sorry to see that you live in MassatwoSh*t's, that's Kerry and Kennedy."


"To: Huck
"This guy is a maniac and doesn't know it"
He suffers from the soul sickness called liberalism (the day is coming when the churlish man shall no more be called liberal)."

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1000149/posts

[MrBenchley]

29. Google "NRA blacklist"

And all sort of interesting scum turn out to be cheering for the Wayne LaPierre's enemies list....

"It's interesting to note that the media spokesman chosen by the NRA to address the Jew-heavy 'blacklist' -- Ted Novin -- is also a Jew.

Translation: we're pissed that the NRA is savvy enough to know the old political rule - always fight fire with fire.

What is actually interesting to note is that when the NRA makes a list of gun-haters and the list is disproportionately Jewish, Jews call the NRA Jew-haters, rather than admit that Jews are gun-haters."


http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=94651

Funny, there don't seem to be any groups of decent people defending the shitheels of the NRA....oh, that's right...they're ON the enemies list.

[1a2b3c]

30. You know what i find funny in all of this?

The fact that you think we like the NRA and will defend them. NRA sucks. So does the VPC.

[MrBenchley]

31. Wow...

"you think we like the NRA and will defend them"
Who's "we," white eyes?

I think what's even funnier is that now you're trrying to pretend the RKBA crowd hasn't been screeching and yowling to defend the NRA.

[1a2b3c]

32. My eyes are bloodshot red

I havent seen any defending of the NRA from anyone with a post count higher than the 700 club. But it might happen, i try and not read the NRA threads.

[MrBenchley]

33. Hahahahahahaha!

"i try and not read the NRA threads"
And yet here you are, anyway. And with nothing to say worth hearing.

[1a2b3c]

34. Yep

Not much down here lately except these pointless flamefest threads. Not much else to read so i might as well join in on the flames.