Political views by Cabela's employees

[doc03]

Today I visit the Cabela's store in Wheeling WV to buy a .22 rifle. I am looking at a .22 priced at $399 and see it's made in Serbia, I say to the employee we don't make anything here anymore. He says you know whose fault that is don't you? I knew what was coming next of course, Bill Clinton. Then the guy says did you see where Obama took his oath again yesterday without the Bible. I said yes I saw the picture myself and he swore on the Bible I saw it. I handed the rifle back to him and just walked out. I should have gone straight to the manager I suppose. But after driving home it kept bothering me so I tried twice to call the manager, they asked why I wanted to speak to him, I just said I had a complaint. They then put me on hold for 4-5 minutes both times. Every time I go in that store it's the same thing some jack off behind the counter is making some political comment about Democrats and I am f-----g sick of it. It's bad enough that every nitwit with a little gun store thinks he is a political authority. Anyway I fired off an e-mail to ([e-mail]) with my complaint. I invite anyone else to give them your two cents worth too.

[krispos42]

1. Well, it was Bill Clinton's fault

Clinton was an economic corporatist, by and large. There was essentially no difference between him and Reagan, Bush the Elder, and Bush the Lesser. Globalization, free trade, GATT, NAFTA, CAFTA, WTO...


Clinton did exactly what a new-age Reaganomic president would have done. Bush the Elder would have signed it if he had won in '02. So would have Bob Dole if he had won in '96.


Conservatives only get upset about Reaganomics and globalization when a Democrat signs the bill.

[doc03]

2. I don't give a damn about what Bill Clinton did

the point is I knew that's what he would say and headed him off on that one by saying it's our fault for buying them. What pissed me off was an employee representing a company spreading BS to customers about Obama taking the oath again and not using the Bible. I don't give a flying fuck what some senile old nitwit cares about politics I was shopping for a rifle. I hear one of those jack offs making some comments about Democrats every time I enter the store. I just think the company should be made aware Democrats buy guns to.

[krispos42]

4. The Obama/Bible comment was definitely over the line

The Clinton one was borderline in that it's only related to guns in a sort of generalized trade-liberation way.

Thanks to the 1993 AWB, gun politics comes up whenever you're buying a gun now. "Oh, this one might not be availabe if that X-person gets elected", etc.

It's tiring that it has to be this way now.


I'm glad you wrote a letter to Cabela's. Their employees, who are likely much more Red than Blue, need to stop mindlessly spewing the Talking Point of the Day that Limp-bough and Insannity get in their email boxes every morning.

"Oh, oh, his middle name is Hussein! Everybody Panic!!!!"

[damntexdem]

3. I thought that the second time, a bible was not used.

In any case, the use of a bible is irrelevant -- as was the second oath. It burns me that people want to attack Obama regarding use of a bible, whether it was used or not, or on the Chief Justice's flubbing of the oath.

And the 26th Amendment does clearly state that the new president takes office on the stroke of 12 on January 20, not when he repeats the words of the oath.

[spin]

5. The second oath of office did not use a bible...

After flubbing his one role on Inauguration Day -- administering the oath of office to Obama -- Roberts traveled to the White House to re-administer the oath.

Just to make sure.

"We decided it was so much fun . . .," Obama joked while sitting on a couch in the Map Room. Obama stood and walked over to make small talk with pool reporters as Roberts donned his black robe.

"Are you ready to take the oath?" Roberts asked.

"I am, and we're going to do it very slowly," Obama replied.

After a flawless recitation that included no Bible and took 25 seconds, Roberts smiled and said, "Congratulations, again."
italics mine
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/21/AR2009012103685.html

There is no constitutional requirement that a Bible be used at inaugurations. George Washington began the tradition at the first inauguration in 1789, using what was known as the Masonic Bible. The passage read was Genesis 49:13, chosen, according to the Architect of the Capitol, because the Bible was "opened at random due to haste."

Washington kissed the Bible and added the words "So help me God," which are not in the official oath, at the end.

Over the years, presidents have chosen family Bibles and famous Bibles for use at the ceremony. In 1989, the first President Bush used Washington's Masonic Bible. His son wanted to use it in 2001 at his first inauguration, but, as Senate records note, it "had been transported, under guard, from New York to Washington for the inauguration but, due to inclement weather, a family Bible was substituted instead."

A Bush family Bible also was used at the 2005 inauguration.

According to the Architect of the Capitol, Theodore Roosevelt, in 1901, became the only president not sworn in on a Bible.
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2008/articles/2008/12/24/lincoln_bible_to_be_used_at_inaugural/

[doc03]

6. I can't keep up with these Republican talking

points. After the oath Chris Wallace says we don't know if he is really the President since he messed the oath up. I didn't get to see the oath live since I was at work, so I watch it over and it turns out Roberts was the one that messed it up, not Obama. So he retakes the oath and then the news media bitches because they didn't get to televise it. Now today apparently the right wing talking points are it was all some kind of conspiracy to get out of swearing on the Bible. Jesus H. Christ these people never let up. That was what that nitwit at Cabala's was insinuating that Obama wouldn't swear on a Bible.:banghead: That's because he is Muslim I guess.

[spin]

7. Obama wasn't the first president to not use a bible...

According to official records kept by the Architect of the Capitol, Teddy Roosevelt is the only president who wasn't sworn in using a Bible; he took a rushed oath of office in 1901 following the assassination of William McKinley. However, it's rumored that LBJ was sworn in using a Catholic missal aboard Air Force One after Kennedy's assassination. John Quincy Adams, according to his own letters, placed his hand on a constitutional law volume rather than a Bible to indicate where his fealty lay. Franklin Pierce "affirmed" rather than swore his oath on the Bible, reportedly because of a crisis of faith following his son's death. There are no known inauguration Bibles for presidents John Adams through John Tyler; in fact, there's no concrete evidence that those early presidents used a Bible at all for the oath.
http://www.slate.com/id/2209134

Teddy Roosevelt's sculpture is on Mount Rushmore, therefore he must have done a few things right as President. (He was also a strong believer in the separation of church and state.)

As President he firmly believed in the separation of church and state and thought it unwise to have In God We Trust on currency, because he thought it sacrilegious to put the name of the Deity on something so common as money.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Roosevelt

You might go back to Cabela's and tell the salesman about Teddy. If you do, be sure to mention that Teddy was quite a hunter.

In April 1909, he landed in Mambasa with his son Kermit. Roosevelt, at the head of a safari including 250 porters and guides, trekked across British East Africa, into the Belgian Congo and back to the Nile ending in Khartoum. The ex-president thoroughly enjoyed himself. The expedition collected 1,100 specimens, including 500 big game. "The most noteworthy collection of big animals that has ever come out of Africa" he exclaimed.

Unfortunately for the animals, "collected" in those days was an euphemism for shot and killed. Between the two of them, Theodore and Kermit slew 512 beasts including 17 lion, 11 elephant and 20 rhinoceros. The remaining animals were no doubt happy to see T.R. leave the plain. After the year-long hunt, Roosevelt proceeded to England for the funeral of King Edward VII and then on to Norway to accept the Nobel Peace Prize for his part in ending the Russo-Japanese War. He returned to the U.S. in June, 1910.
http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/tr.htm

And of course you could mention that Teddy was a Republican.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

11. The boss had fox news on I don't remember Wallace blaming Obama completely.

Apparently someone over at justice agreed with Wallace since they repeated it. Probably the smart thing to do, although it did give the right another conspiracy theory.

David

[Redneck Socialist]

8. It has been my unfortunate experience that may gun shop employees are knuckleheads.

"...every nitwit with a little gun store thinks he is a political authority."

Unfortunately that's been my experience as well. They seem to assume because you are in their little gun shop that you're just as much of a rightwing nut job as they are. I tend to avoid talking politics in gun shops, at the range or on gun forums, because the stupidity is too much for me to handle. My truck has several "liberal" bumperstickers. I'm sure it gets some odd looks parked in the range parking lot.

[bkeeper]

9. Read "Free Lunch" by David K Johnston

There is a chapter in the book about Cabela's. If you read it, your blood will boil and you may never go to there again.

[doc03]

10. This off subject I suppose but I don't

recall ever seeing a black employee in their store. They have huge distribution center there also they fire and hire 20 to 30 people every day of the week. The nearby Walmart Distribution Center is the same, they actually time you in the restroom I am told. Wages in both are just over minimum.