New Hampshire firing a shot across the bow of the Fed Gov't

[Howzit]

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legislation/2009/HCR0006.html

New Hampshire HCR-6 Demands Return of Power to New Hampshire Based on Jeffersonian/Constitutional Principles
A resolution originating in the New Hampshire state house is receiving momentum in New Hampshire. If passed into law, it would return power back to New Hampshire like the founding fathers intended. It provides six reasons that justifies New Hampshire's secession from the federal government. I will list the six, and then provide the link if you wish to read the entire resolution. Let's hope this legislation spreads from New Hampshire into the other 49 and sends Congress a clear message. We will not allow our natural rights to be walked on.

I. Establishing martial law or a state of emergency within one of the States comprising the United States of America without the consent of the legislature of that State.

II. Requiring involuntary servitude, or governmental service other than a draft during a declared war, or pursuant to, or as an alternative to, incarceration after due process of law.

III. Requiring involuntary servitude or governmental service of persons under the age of 18 other than pursuant to, or as an alternative to, incarceration after due process of law.

IV. Surrendering any power delegated or not delegated to any corporation or foreign government.

V. Any act regarding religion; further limitations on freedom of political speech; or further limitations on freedom of the press.

VI. Further infringements on the right to keep and bear arms including prohibitions of type or quantity of arms or ammunition.

The representatives in New Hampshire who have written this resolution understand the limits of the federal government as Jefferson intended. This will block nationalized health care and other socialization in New Hampshire. The debate for the resolution begins on February 5th. Let's hope they are successful in passing this as the law of New Hampshire.

[TreasonousBastard]

1. But Jefferson didn't write the Constitution...

and he lost most of his arguments to Hamilton. Even his BFF Madison let him hang out to dry on some things.

(And, remember the last time some states took on Washington-- how'd that one work out?)

[baldguy]

2. More crybaby libertarian lunacy.

[Howzit]

9. Compare it to the NJ constitution

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=200216&mesg_id=200310

[FrenchieCat]

3. The entire state is doing the talking here?

Get out of here! :eyes:

[iverglas]

6. yeah, eh?

:eyes: indeed.

HCR 6 – AS INTRODUCED
2009 SESSION
09-0274
09/01

HOUSE CONCURRENT RESOLUTION 6
A RESOLUTION affirming States’ rights based on Jeffersonian principles.
SPONSORS: Rep. Itse, Rock 9; Rep. Ingbretson, Graf 5; Rep. Comerford, Rock 9; Sen. Denley, Dist 3
COMMITTEE: State-Federal Relations and Veterans Affairs


Google rep itse new hampshire and get:

http://www.votesmart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=21593

Representative Daniel C. Itse (NH)
Current Office: State House
Current District: Rockingham 9
Party: Republican

2005 Representative Itse supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice New Hampshire 0 percent in 2005.
2002 Representative Itse supported the interests of the New Hampshire Right to Life 100 percent in 2002.

(Hey, I didn't select abortion; it was just sitting there looking at me.)

2005-2006 In 2005-2006 Granite State Conservation Voters gave Representative Itse a rating of 0.

Hey, check out the gunhead ratings. ;)

Liberal
2004 Representative Itse supported the interests of the New Hampshire Citizens Alliance 0 percent in 2004.
2003 Representative Itse supported the interests of the New Hampshire Citizens Alliance 0 percent in 2003.
2002 Representative Itse supported the interests of the New Hampshire Citizens Alliance 7 percent in 2002.


Somebody wanna do the other ones, or shall we take them as read? ;)

[RJ Connors]

4. As I recall, awhile back there were some states in the south

who also asserted their right to secede from the union and if memory serves me correctly, it didn't work out all that well for them.

On Edit: I looked up the status of this bill and it is sponsored by 4 Republicans. I decided to check the status as Item #5 seemed to be pretty vague and could be interpreted several different ways. However, seeing it is sponsored by Republicans I'm thinking item #5 means that we are going to declare N.H. a Christian state.

The status can be found here: New Hampshire General Court - Bill Status System HCR-6

[dixiegrrrrl]

7. The incident to which you refer is still known down here

as the " Late, Great, Unpleasantness" instigated by an invasion of foreigners from the North.

[RJ Connors]

8. Yeah, them damn Yankees,

they'll do it too you every time. :toast:

[rrneck]

10. Heh. I was twenty four years

old before I found out "damn yankees" was two words.

[jody]

11. " Late, Great, Unpleasantness" or the "War of Northern Aggression" n/t

[dixiegrrrrl]

13. Hi, cos.....

:hi:

[jody]

14. And to you.

:toast:

[defendandprotect]

5. They have some legitimate complaints --- more states should speak up -- !!!

[Lex1775]

12. Some of them are:

NH House Concurrent Resolution 6

Oklahoma State Sovereignty bill HJR 1029

Arizona State Sovereignty bill HCR 2024

Washington 10th amendment HJM 4009

Montana House Bill No. 246

Michigan House Resolution No. 6

[iverglas]

15. and will you tell us who the sponsors of those bills are

or do I have to do all the work around here?

The first listed sponsor of the New Hampshire bill is an egregiously right-wing asshole.

How about for those others?

[Lex1775]

16. Here you go:

Oklahoma: Ritze (R)

Arizona: Representatives Burges (R), Ash (R), Biggs (R), Boone (R), Gowan (R), Mason (R), Montenegro (R), Pancrazi (D), Seel (R), Williams (R), Barto (R), Campbell CL (D), Court (R), Crandall (R), Crump (R), Driggs (R), Fleming (D), Goodale (R), Hendrix (R), Kavanagh (R), Lesko (R), McComish (R), McGuire (D), Miranda B (D), Murphy (R), Nichols (R), Pratt (R), Quelland (R), Stevens (R), Tobin (R), Weiers JP (R), Senator Harper (R).

Washington: Shea (R), Klippert (R), Condotta (R), Kretz (R), Anderson (R), McCune (R), Kristiansen (R).

Montana: Boniek (R), Curtiss (R)

Michigan: Opsummer (R)

[iverglas]

20. huh

So I picked one of those Democrats at random. (You will of course recall that I have still said nothing about Democrats or Republicans.)

http://www.mcguire2008.com/

And there at the top of her website:

And a bunch of others. I guess when you have two choices, you have to pick one.

Arizona. Odd place, it seems. So where's Florida?? I think Florida Democrats can be counted on to do the wrong/stupid thing much of the time. They seem to be dragging their feet here.

[DrCory]

17. Who Cares?

The substance seems more important than the sponsors. Rights aren't just for right-wing assholes. Unless, of course, the source is more important in your mind.

[Name removed]

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[iverglas]

25. I give up

I seem to have offended someone.

Perhaps it is wrong to point out that, once again, the only source we have defending these alleged rights live in right-wing cesspools ...

(Yeah, there were a couple of Democrats in the list posted elsewhere here. We do know that I, like many people who vote Democrat in the US, hold no more brief for the Democratic Party as a whole than I do for the Liberal Party where I'm at, unless we're talking purely lesser-of-two-evil, politics-of-the-possible electoral strategies. There are good Liberals, and there are good Democrats. And there are others.)

[Hoopla Phil]

18. This bill seems to be gaining popularity.

I read about a very similar bill in Arizona being passed recently. I must say that I like this resurgence in State Rights. The Fed as for far too long overextended their authority. The Interstate Commerce Clause has been perverted into something it was NEVER meant to do.

[iverglas]

21. have you met our jody?

I do think you might hit it off.

[Hoopla Phil]

22. Don't believe so. I'll keep an eye out though, thanks.

[iverglas]

23. here ya go

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=179066&mesg_id=179446

et seq.

And of course in this thread.

Your signature line indicates that you were here before under a different username.

Might one ask what it was?

[Hoopla Phil]

24. Thanks for the pointer.

And of course one might ask.