Man Shot, Killed, After Breaking Into Home and Firing Shots

[NaturalHigh]

For anyone who thinks that private citizens should never own guns and should just call police if anyone breaks in, please read this story.

Attempted Robber Shot, Killed At Tulsa Home


TULSA, OK -- A break-in early Sunday turned fatal when a homeowner shot the would-be robber, police say.

Officers say a man broke into a home in the 900 block of East 53rd Street North about 1:30 a.m. and began shooting at the four people inside.

One of the people inside the home grabbed a gun and fired back, killing the robber.

[jody]

1. When threatened by a violent criminal and SECONDS count, police are just MINUTES away. n/t

[Whoa_Nelly]

2. Am trying to make sense of your posting statement n/t

:shrug:

[Tuesday Afternoon]

5. Too late, the police arrive to take notes, I think is the point. n/t

[Whoa_Nelly]

78. Thought that, and then thought it the other way, too.

Thanks, TA! :hi: :loveya: :pals:

[jody]

7. It's quite simple, SCOTUS says government is not obligated to protect anyone unless she/he is in

custody.

SCOTUS says the Second Amendment protects the inalienable/unalienable right of law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms including handguns for self-defense.

If a citizen is attacked by a criminal, the citizen may call police but they will take perhaps 10 minutes to hours to arrive on the scene.

In the meantime, the criminal can injure or kill the victim in SECONDS.

Citizens can make their pro-choice to keep and bear arms for self-defense, a decision that can mean life and death when seconds count.

[Whoa_Nelly]

77. That's what I thought you meant the first time I read your post

But, wasn't entirely sure since the flip side of waiting for the police to have protection was the other interpretation I got from it.

...and I agree with you.

Thanks for posting back :hi:

[jody]

82. Have a nice evening.

:hi:

[elocs]

3. Don't these posts routinely come from the gun forum.

Why not keep them there?

[jody]

9. Why do you want to censor discussion of the Right to Keep and Bear Arms? n/t

[NaturalHigh]

20. ...

:eyes:

[liberalhistorian]

49. Yeah, God forbid we should ever

have a discussion on such an unimportant topic as guns here in GD. What do you think this is, anyway, General Discussion?

[Iktomiwicasa]

64. Does the discussion make you uncomfortable? n/t

[elocs]

76. I notice that you failed to refute my point that these posts usually ARE in the gun forum.

Having them in that forum makes them easier to ignore. I'm under no obligation to be interested in every thread posted. I hope that doesn't make you uncomfortable.

[Iktomiwicasa]

85. Nothing to refute...

...but nice Dodge anyways. Does the topic bother you?

[villager]

4. "Tulsa Teenager Arrested in Deadly Shooting," "Area Shootings Leave Two Dead," etc.

Whoops! you seem to've missed the half-dozen stories today about innocent victims of gun violence.

Quite by accident, I'm sure...

http://www.kjrh.com/mostpopular/story/Tulsa-teenager-arrested-in-deadly-shooting/QQJP30EiAEij8ILANYAOtw.cspx

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29072866/

[wartrace]

11. Or it could be stated "criminal misuse of firearms".

Is the dead man a victim of gun violence OR the victim of a criminal with a gun? What if this criminal had used a knife to kill? Would he still be a victim of an inanimate object or a victim of criminal violence? What if the criminal had used his fists? That would certainly qualify as being a victim of criminal violence, wouldn't it?

Should honest citizens be disarmed in the HOPE that criminals will also disarm? Should the victims in the O.P. have been denied the ability to defend themselves in order to reduce (but not eliminate) criminal misuse of firearms?

The good thing is in your story, the criminal is in custody. He should be locked away for a long time, hopefully for life.

[bluestateguy]

13. I always find this paradox interesting

Liberals who distrust and dislike the police nevertheless want the police to be the only citizens who are armed.

Yeah, that makes sense.

[ferrous wheel]

15. Those aren't liberals, they're idiots.

...

[Iktomiwicasa]

65. No shit! n/t

[villager]

23. I always find it interesting that armchair revolutionaries try to justify their NRA pandering

...by imagining they're actually going to take up arms against the state.

And of course, predictably as ever, you don't address the fact that much more gun violence targets innocent victims.

[ferrous wheel]

37. And I find it interesting that some people are willing to bend over and let the state

shove a carbonized constitution up their asses.

[liberalhistorian]

52. Yes, that's quite true that too much gun violence targets

innocent victims, no question. But you also aren't addressing the fact that, in many areas, particularly in rural areas, people are their own first line of protection and that law-abiding citizens have the right to protect and defend themselves. What do you expect people to do when a criminal breaks into their home and threatens them with weapons or their family is threatened with violent crime? Say, "Oh, excuse me, Mr. Perpetrator, could you please hold off while I call the police, and then wait for them to get for however long it takes? Pretty please, it won't take too long, I promise." It just doesn't work that way.

[bigbadwolf]

92. God forbid innocent victims shoot back in self defense

There are no do-overs when seconds can make the difference between staying alive and having it end at the hands of a predator. No time outs; no dodging bullets while you hope the cops make it in time to save your kids' dad or mom. Take action, or die. Choose to be a victim or a survivor.

[Seeking Serenity]

45. No, they don't anyone to be armed.

My name, however, is not Pollyanna.

[ferrous wheel]

46. That's a great idea. Let's not want anyone to get cancer or heart attacks or

old age or auto accidents or tornados or any bad shit at all. (Do you know what a pollyanna is???)

[tburnsten]

101. You like revolvers don't you?

"ferrous wheel", I like that.

[liberalhistorian]

50. You know, I was always a gung-ho gun control person

and I still strongly believe in reasonable restrictions and regulations and responsibility and I have a problem with the "guns uber alles" mentality and always will. However, since I moved to South Dakota a few years ago, I've come to understand the passion for individual gun ownership, especially in rural areas. While I started out living in a SD city, I now live in a very rural, isolated area, with very little police presence. Should someone break into our house or otherwise accost or threaten me and/or hubby with a gun or other weapon, there would simply be no time for the police to arrive, but we'd be lucky if they even did or if there was anyone available. People in rural areas, which is most of the state, are pretty much on their own as far as law enforcement is concerned. People DO have the right to protect themselves.

[bigbadwolf]

94. You are absolutely right....

The well-worn phrase, "Criminals will always get guns," is not just a empty meme, it's just recognizing a reality. That being the case, until technology develops something better, a firearm is still the most effective means of self-defense against armed criminals when all else fails. To deny honest citizens that right is to deny the right to life--or to give equal moral value to a predator's life as to an innocent's. The predator made a moral choice, and than choice was to threaten another's life, thereby forfeiting his claim to his right to life.

[iverglas]

86. I always find these straw bogeymen fascinating

No, wait. I don't. I find them dishonest. And boring.

[villager]

24. Any thoughts about the *murder* victims, "Wartrace?"

Or are you too busy doing your NRA-mandated backflips?

[wartrace]

61. Any thoughts about the criminals who *murder* "villager"?

Or are you too busy doing your "Brady Bunch to do something" mandated back flips?

You can't debate the issue so you attack a gun rights lobby group? Genius. Pure Genius I tell you. Keep up the good work.

[villager]

67. ah, another predictably, NRA-blinded post! Using an inability to debate

...to accuse others of doing so.

Off to the ignore list with thee!

[wartrace]

71. A splendid idea.

Bye-Bye.

[spin]

14. Quite possibly, if draconian gun laws are passed...

you'll see a lot more stories about innocent victims. Honest people usually obey the law, criminals by definition tend to ignore laws. If honest people are disarmed, criminals will feel free to terrorize them. If you know the homeowners aren't armed and you are, breaking into their home and robbing them (or worse) might make sense to you if you are a criminal.

Most of the incidents, where firearms are involved in legitimate self defense, never make the news. "If it don't bleed, it don't lead"

We do need to focus on taking firearms from criminals and criminal drug gangs rather than honest citizens. We do need to find a way to keep firearms out of the hands of those who are seriously mentally ill. It would be a good idea to require training before being allowed to purchase firearms.

But reducing of gun violence to any significant amount will require better education and better jobs for those on the bottom rungs of society. It should also include legalization of marijuana to take some of the profit motive out of dealing illegal drugs.

[NaturalHigh]

17. Does the use of firearms by criminals (such as the one who broke into the house)...

mean that citizens shouldn't be allowed to keep firearms to protect themselves from those criminals? How much sense does that make?

[wartrace]

98. It makes no sense at all unless you are a criminal.

I believe the extremely low rate of home robberies in my area is due to the high gun ownership rate. Sure, our rate of burglary is about average but very few criminals dare attempt a home invasion around here. In my county we have had NO murders committed with firearms in over three years, the last one we had was a wife who killed her husband. You would think that if guns caused gun violence we would be awash in blood around here. I can't think of anyone I know locally who doesn't own a gun or three. I know plenty that carry every day and I believe that is a reason there are very few criminals who commit street robbery/muggings.

[tburnsten]

99. You don't fit the imaginated profile. Shut the fuck up.

Can you even imagine the negative impactof a single gunn used well?t would be chaeous, exactily opposite what we are drilling hime... caon't have h that.

[tburnsten]

100. Sorry I posted after having a couple russian lemonades

But the feeling, I hope, got through.

[ferrous wheel]

21. Innocent?? The 23 year old boyfriend of a 15 year old girl is shot by her

child's 17 year old father. Boy, there's some real fambly values goin' on there.
:eyes: :puke:

[villager]

27. "Three Men At Large After Shooting Outside Restaurant"

http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/2009/02/08/20090208restaurantshoot0208-ON.html

[ferrous wheel]

32. So what is your point, that bad guys have guns and if they shoot someone, tough shit

because law abiding citizens should not? Maybe you should have your water tested for psychoactive pathogens.

[villager]

35. "Skokie Shooting Kills 1, Injures 1"

http://www.pioneerlocal.com/skokie/news/1419888,sk-shooting-020809-s1.article

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

70. Feel free to post them, as you have here, you actually start your own thread.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

73. Criminals seem to do this quite often.

[iverglas]

87. huh

"A concerned citizen tackled the suspect immediately after the shooting so we were able to get him in custody and retrieve the evidence at the scene," Tulsa Police Captain Richard Alexander said.

And I thought such things never happened ...

How could somebody take down a bad guy without gunz???

[ddeclue]

6. Thanks for the ANTECDOTE...

:eyes:

[jody]

12. Don't know about ANTECDOTE but a gun is a good ANTIDOTE for a violent criminal. n/t

[bluestateguy]

8. Cleanup in aisle 8!!!

:rofl:

[TheCowsCameHome]

10. Jeez, Tulsa sounds like the wild west. Check the links on NewsOn6

WTF is with that place?

[NaturalHigh]

19. Yeah, Tulsa is turning into a real cesspool.

[pnwmom]

16. We had what appeared to be a rapid raccoon stumbling about our wooded yard.

The animal control people told us they didn't do raccoons (only big predators like cougars and bears). They also told me that under city law it would be illegal to shoot a gun outdoors.

Their solution: for us to hire a private trapper. Forget it. By then the raccoon was gone, stumbling around someone else's yard.

But if I'd been an experienced gun owner, faced with a rabid looking animal in my yard -- and no one to help -- wouldn't it have been justified to use it?

[ferrous wheel]

26. Where I live we (the inhabitants of the area) regularly shoot abandoned dogs and cats.

It's a terrible thing to do but it's that or leave them to become roadkill or starve.

[liberalhistorian]

54. Ever think about maybe, just maybe, taking them to the animal

shelter instead of shooting them? Even if they don't find homes, they'll still get a more humane end than a bullet. Sheesh. Guns and shooting aren't the answer to EVERYTHING, you know.

[ferrous wheel]

58. There is no "animal shelter" in this county. How do you figure roadkill

or starving is more humane than a bullet? PM to me, I will give you directions so you can come and see some examples. Otherwise don't preach to me about how to be humane. We have taken in (and given loving care including all medical) NINE
dogs and TWO cats in the last 8 years that were brought out here in the boondocks and dumped out by city people who couldn't be bothered with them. Some have passed on but we have right now 3 doggies and 1 cat. Virtually everyone out in this area has adopted 1 or 2 or more...there is a limit to what folks of modest means can do.

[pnwmom]

69. In rural areas those facilities can be few and far between.

And is it really that much more humane to be gassed to death after three scary days in a shelter? I'm not so sure.

[Jackpine Radical]

63. Good thing it was a rapid raccoon--

You could have clubbed a slow one to death.

(Damn. I hate it when I make a spelling error in a spelling snark)

[pnwmom]

72. LOL. Funny thing is,

I kept wondering if I'd spelled raccoon right.

:silly:

[tburnsten]

90. Sure, as long as you used an appropriate caliber with appropriate ammunition

This summer I shot a groundhog in my backyard with a .22 rifle. the only issue is, I lived in the middle of town. Now I was shooting at such a downwards angle, and the yard was surrounded by a hill, so there was no risk of me sending a bullet off down another street or into someone's home, but it was still definitely not something I was supposed to be doing.

Situational awareness and safety-oriented approaches are what you want to do. In your position I would have shot it and then either reported a dead raccoon in my yard or just buried it. Rabies data be damned, if animal control isn't willing to do its job (too many bears out that night I guess) then they should expect that people will start doing the job themselves. There is a reason animal control is a publicly bankrolled service, because dangerous or diseased animals are a threat to the entire community. If they won't do their job, I'm sure your neighbors won't even notice a subsonic .22 bullet out of a rifle, and if they do, just explain that you potentially saved every last one of their pets. They'll understand.

[Oak2004]

18. The more significant "incidents" are the ones that don't happen

or, more precisely, never make the news.

The vast majority of incidents where a citizen defends themselves with a weapon end with the weapon never used, and the bad guys backing away or even surrendering.

Let me assure you, as a former taxi driver, I've never seen a passenger become more intensely polite, become so quick to pay up, and dash out the door so fast as the one who started to crawl over the passenger's seat saying he intended to rape me. Bad intentions change very quickly it seems when bad guys meet something unexpected.

[jody]

28. Visit DU's Guns Fortress and read "Mugging prevented in Savannah, GA"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x200221

[bread_and_roses]

22. Yes, we all sit around our living rooms with a gun to hand every night

Does it strike no one else as odd that evidently these four were sitting around - or standing around the kitchen or whatever - with a loaded gun in instant reach? That's how some of you sit around watching TV or whatever?

So unless, in a remarkable coincidence, a group of gun afficionados were sitting around one night admiring each others (loaded) guns when a crazed killer burst in, seems likely to me that the people in question had some reason to fear that they had a much greater than ordinary chance of armed intruders bursting into their home. Hardly much of an arguement for the rest of us to sit around watching TV with a loaded gun next to our bowl of popcorn.

I seem to remember that every time some child kills a playmate with a gun in the house, we hear from all the "responsible" gun owners about all the safety precautions that "responsible" owners take to make sure that doesn't happen? (or did i read those somewhere else?) All of which precautions would be likely to preclude having a loaded gun ready to hand on an ordinary evening.

[ferrous wheel]

29. It's fascinating how some people automatically side with the crazed killers

and condemn anybody who takes defensive actions against them.

[Bluebear]

36. You think people at DU 'automatically side with crazed killers'? Show me.

[ferrous wheel]

42. Jeezus, are you serious? Read the threads...they are full of posters saying

law-abiding citizens shouldn't have the right to have guns. They don't really address the simple fact that criminals will always have them. Please tell me you were joking...

[Bluebear]

43. Please tell me you were trolling. Who is "siding with crazed killers"?

[liberalhistorian]

56. The posters who don't seem to think that

people should have the right to defend themselves when someone breaks into their home and starts shooting at them, those who actually feel sorry for someone getting shot in those circumstances instead of the people whose home he broke into and who he was shooting at. That's pretty sick, I'm sorry.

[Bluebear]

80. I'm sorry too. Please cite which post # is feeling sorry for the man who broke in. Thanks.

[Garbo 2004]

81. Actually no they're not. Straw man & all that.

New here?

[NaturalHigh]

30. I have a friend down the street who keeps eight loaded guns in his house.

He has never had a gun-related accident, and I can assure you that nobody will break into his house without regretting it.

Personally, I only keep two loaded guns, but I think I can get to one of them quickly enough to protect my family if some miscreant decides to break in.

[spin]

48. When I lived in Tampa, I had a loaded weapon in every room...

never did have a problem.

However my daughter did stop an intruder breaking into to our home through a sliding glass door by pointing a large caliber revolver at him. The burglar alarm was sounding and a 60 pound Black Lab was in the house. (The dog was very intelligent, why should she risk her life while her owners were well armed?)

Now I live in a house with three teenagers, so I have five loaded weapons are locked in three different safes. I can quickly retrieve one if I need to.

I don't expect a home break in and I'm not paranoid by any means. I also have a fire extinguisher five feet from where I'm siting.

[jody]

33. I respect your choice not to keep and bear arms to defend yourself but don't deny others their

inalienable/unalienable right.

[spin]

41. Perhaps the shooter had a concealed carry license...

and was visiting the home. I have a concealed carry permit and have visited other peoples homes while carrying the weapon. If an intruder broke in and looked extremely dangerous or irrational, I would have pulled my weapon and shot him.

Also, I remember my Uncle who lived in Pittsburgh had a small S&W .38 revolver stuffed behind the seat cushions of his living room couch. No kids lived in the home.

Of course, you might be correct and these people were engaged in activities that increased their chance of a home break in. The news reports don't provide enough detail on the incident.

[Robb]

51. Back when I lived in the "sticks"

...just about everyone had a firearm in the house. Lots of poor folks who were sustenance hunters (deer in the freezer feeds the family all winter). I don't think anyone actually had the rifle on nails over the inside of the front door frame, but that was the feeling.

In my ten years there, one accidental shooting. It was a doozy, too, don't get me wrong, but alcohol was more to blame than the guns.

I've never even fired one myself, but I didn't feel less or more safe knowing there were so many around. It was the people I was worried about, and lots of them had trucks and beer that were the cause of more misery. :shrug:

[iverglas]

88. always strikes me that way too

And it's quite entertaining, following up on some of the tales that get told in the gun dungeon.

Here's an amusing one I recall:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x98607#98618

[tburnsten]

93. No they don't

A gun in any economy-level or better holster on your person is perfectly safe. More safe than anywhere else, I would say.

Awfully hard for a child to shoot a playmate with a gun attached to a responsible adult.

[PassingFair]

25. "For anyone who thinks that private citizens should never own guns..."

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/388155_girl18.html

snip>MARYSVILLE -- A 42-year-old man told police that he accidentally shot and killed his 6-year- old daughter Sunday after drinking double vodkas while cleaning guns.

Stormy Peters was shot in the head and died after being flown to Seattle Children's hospital.<unsnip

There are HUNDREDS of stories like this to every ONE like yours.

Hundreds.

[jody]

31. Please cite credible stats proving your assertion "HUNDREDS of stories like this to every ONE like

yours."

I'm betting you can't and you'll just roll your ball elsewhere.

Picture below of a lone gun-grabber hard at work.

[PassingFair]

53. I can't prove the hundreds...

but every comprehensive study undertaken
demonstrates the negative effect of
guns within the home.

A loved one's life is many times more likely to
end due to guns in the home than it
is likely to be used in an actual defense.

http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/160/10/929?eaf

[jody]

60. That study has been debunked, see discussion at the link below. What else do you have?

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdgaga.html

[slackmaster]

96. That one's known as the Body Count Fallacy - We've seen it before

The problem, in a nutshell, is that it doesn't account for defensive uses of firearms that don't involve shooting someone (and that is a large majority of defensive uses).

[ferrous wheel]

34. You have just presented a rationale for banning vodka. They tried that kind of social control

89 years ago. It's just as stupid today as it was then.
It never ceases to amaze me how some people think the Bill of Rights ends after the First Amendment.

[Bluebear]

39. You think people at DU think the Bill of Rights ends after the 1st amendment? Show me.

[ferrous wheel]

44. I'm not really in a position to teach you to read, sorry.

...

[Bluebear]

47. Gee, welcome to DU. You add so much sunlight to our little family.

[pnwmom]

38. He could have killed his daughter while driving drunk

but we haven't banned alcohol.

[PassingFair]

55. But he WOULD have gone to jail.

People who keep guns in their homes,
and whose children injure themselves
or playmates with them should be tried
for manslaughter, just like drunk drivers.

[LisaL]

57. Good point.

[pnwmom]

68. I have no problem with that. n/t

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

74. I'm sorry you are just wrong, there are not hundreds of these for every defensive use of a gun.

The FBI & CDC statistics prove you wrong.

David

[Fla_Democrat]

40. DRT

DRT :nopity:

[tkmorris]

59. What an inspiring thread

Y'all feeling the love in here? It really affirms my faith in humanity.

Funny thing is I actually am in favor of people's right to own guns, but some of the people in this thread who claim that point of view are so angry, hateful, and COMPLETELY irrational in their arguments I am loathe to say so. I don't want to be associated with them in any way whatsoever. If you pro-gun rights folks want to be taken seriously you really ought to be less strident and make your case in a more balanced way. Frankly right now you sound... a little nuts.

[jody]

62. We pro-RKBA Dems represent the position of perhaps 70%+ of the electorate. Perhaps those who offend

you might be less aggressive in defending the natural, inherent, inalienable/unalienable right to keep and bear arms if those who would ban handguns or all guns would present facts rather than opinions and ad hominem attacks.

[tkmorris]

66. Certainly. There's something to what you say

This thread however, does not reflect that.

I'm not offended by any of it btw, I simply find it hard to voice my agreement with anyone whose face is scarlet and who is foaming at the mouth, especially when they do it preemptively, before anyone disagrees with them in anything but the mildest way. That's the sort of behavior (from both sides) that results in boards like this one moving certain topics off into their own little "free speech zones". It doesn't help anyone.

[MicaelS]

75. Anti-gun zealots are like anti-choice zealots...

Notice I deliberately used the term "zealots" twice. If someone doesn't want to own a gun, or have an abortion that's fine by me, because I'm pro-choice on both. The problem is is the antis on both issues want to deny anyone any choice at all except a ban.

[iverglas]

95. except for one thing

Anti-gun zealots are like anti-choice zealots...
Notice I deliberately used the term "zealots" twice. If someone doesn't want to own a gun, or have an abortion that's fine by me, because I'm pro-choice on both. The problem is is the antis on both issues want to deny anyone any choice at all except a ban.

The latter group exists in large, well-organized numbers, operating with varying degrees of viciousness in a concerted effort to violate the fundamental rights of a vulnerable and historically oppressed group, in service of an ideology that is anti-human at its core.

The former group is a figment of some people's fevered imaginations. Or at least, their poison pens.

[tburnsten]

97. No, the former group wishes it had the numbers it claims

[jody]

79. The strident fringe re RKBA make it a very useful divisive, polarizing issue for

distracting voters from judging candidates on truly critical issues like health, education, welfare, the economy, and wars against innocent peoples.

There is no compromise position on things like abortion, RKBA, GLBT, and a handful of other rights.

My personal position as a liberal is pro-choice where individuals do what they please as long as it does not hurt others, i.e. a political philosophy that seeks to maximize individual liberty.

[rainbow4321]

83. Tulsa is getting as bad as Dallas

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20090208_297_0_Police313766

Police investigating six shootings since Friday; five dead


Six shootings have resulted in the deaths of five people between Friday night and Sunday.

“Trying to come up with a reason (on the recent rash of shootings) is pure speculation,” said Tulsa Police Sgt. Mike Huff. “There’s no common thread between them.”

[NaturalHigh]

91. I don't know about Dallas...

but the crime in Tulsa just keeps migrating further south by the week. It seems like half of Tulsa is a shooting zone.

[Garbo 2004]

84. Same incident, different report: armed robber apparently did not just come in shooting.

2009-02-08

TULSA -- A teenager was killed early today in a shootout inside the north Tulsa home he invaded, the fourth shooting death in the city since Friday, police Cpl. Nathan Schilling said.

The identity of the victim, a 16-year-old boy, was not released.

About 1 a.m., the teen, armed with a pistol, entered a home in the 600 block of E 53rd Street N and demanded money from the two men and two women inside, Schilling said. One of the men also had a pistol, and he and the teen exchanged gunfire. The teen, shot an unknown number of times, died at the scene, but no one else was hit.

Schilling said it was unclear if the teen forced his way inside the home or was let in, or if there were any others with him. The people inside the home said they did not know the teen.

When police arrived, not all four of the people inside were still at the scene, but detectives eventually found and interviewed them all, Schilling said. Investigators decided the shooting was in self defense and did not arrest or cite anyone in connection with the incident, he said.

http://mobile.newsok.com/tulsa-gunfire-claims-4th-victim-since-friday/article/3344297

[slackmaster]

89. Tragic waste of life

Breaking into other peoples' homes and shooting at them is a bad choice.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

102. Kicked