WARNING; I just posted some anti GOP/Pro Obama opinions

[old mark]

on a gun owners site's National Political Forum, and within 5 minutes got a Malware Alert and reaction from my antivirus software system. I ahve had this several times after posting on that site (Pennsylvania Firearms Owners Association), and emailed tha mods there about this with no response so far.
Has this happened to anyone else here,or is it just my winning personality that marks me for this kind of stuff?
Or am I being paranoid and it it coindidence?

I do find it amusing that some people there seem to consider me a communist demon liberal, and some here consider me a drooling fascist gun pig.

Can one be both I wonder? Is it all context?

mark

[jeepnstein]

1. Can't please everyone...

[old mark]

2. Perhaps I shouldn't try to, then.....

Thanks.

mark

[jeepnstein]

10. Sometimes,

someone just has to be that guy who, while consistent, just manages to stir the pot. There's no shame in being that guy as long as you're doing it well and for a good cause.

[John Q. Citizen]

3. Context is almost everything.

[T Wolf]

4. You are never going to get anywhere with the gun nut crowd - I learned that yesterday.

So don't waste your time, or expose yourself to their verbal (and obviously digital) abuse.

[slackmaster]

5. Your problem is that you use personal attacks

Example:

"Or do you get off on the idea of springing your phallic-standin on an unsuspecting aggressor, or someone who just pisses you off?"

If you present a reasonable position and defend it with verifiable facts and logic, you won't have a problem with the GNC.

[old mark]

7. Don't know who you quoted there, but it was not me.....nt

[slackmaster]

8. I was quoting T Wolf, whose response I was responding to - Link here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=203075&mesg_id=203175

[T Wolf]

11. Yeah, I lost my temper after the GNC would not even answer the questions I asked. Gun-love is a

faith-based issue and I've learned that rational discussion cannot address those topics.

Either you believe that killing people is good, or you don't.

For every personal story that supports having a gun for "self-defense" there is an opposite one of accidental death.

I guess we will just have to disagree on the benefit of an armed and violent society.

[slackmaster]

13. -I- answered the questions you asked, and you responded with a snarky and irrelevant remark

You never even asked whether or not -I- carry a gun. Other than when I am out in the wilderness, I don't.

Either you believe that killing people is good, or you don't.

Killing people is always bad, but sometimes it's necessary.

For every personal story that supports having a gun for "self-defense" there is an opposite one of accidental death.

There were 789 accidental shooting deaths in the USA in 2005. Accidental shooting deaths are rare, and becoming less common. Pulling pseudo-statistics out of your ass is not an effective way to make a point.

As a peace offering, I wish to provide you with a tool that will empower you with hard data:

http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/wisqars/

[rrneck]

15. How about an armed and non violent society? nt

[Raskolnik]

17. Nonsense. You were answered--you just didn't like the answers, and responded

with venom.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

24. You response is a prime example of your ignorance and bias.

Lots of people that own guns don't believe that killing people is good. You know that yet you have to use language like that to bait people. It is you that isn't interested in having a rational debate. Come back when you grow up.

David

[old mark]

6. I have enjoyed shooting since age 10 (now 61), and I like the gun information there

, but I get tempted to post some Democratic stuff there from time to time, especially since the election.
(Things like FUCK YOU, LOSERS!)
They are so easily offended.....


mark :-)

[Mad_Cow_Disease]

9. If your posting things like

FUCK YOU, LOSERS! ... then I'm not surprised you are not well received.

When you walk into a snakepit, don't cry when you get bit.
Depending what site I post on, I curtail my demeanor and (sometimes) my political views.
Things work so much more smoothly people get along.

[old mark]

12. There is little or no input in that forum other than

Where was Obama really born, etc...
I just posted that the tax on those making over $250,000 per year workes out to a bit over 82 cents a day.

Well, I don't bother to try to reform anyone there - it certainly doesn't work here, either.

mark

[Raskolnik]

16. You'd think that accusing people of wanting to keep firearms out of the hands of "n...ers"

would elevate the debate, wouldn't you?

[yay]

21. Why not just say the damn word?

You took the time to type 3/4 of the word and bleep out the rest. We all know what you are saying just say it.

I'll never understand it.

[rrneck]

14. Culture shock every day.

Begin rant.

Right now I live near a very liberal community. If I had more money I could live in it since it's rather affluent. The crime rate is very low and I have a job and a lifestyle that just would not require me to have a firearm in my life, much less carry one. People are sometimes shocked that I own guns and I get a certain amount of static when I argue in favor of them. It doesn't help that when I open my mouth I sound like Dunlap from Red State Update.

That's because I'm originally from the south. And when I say south I mean I started out life as a tractor jockey. When I lived there I had a CHL because there were times I thought I might have to shoot somebody at my own front door. Back home I argued from the liberal side of the political spectrum and everyone there thought I was some kind of commie pinko.

How many of the big wedge issues in this country revolve around some of the most personal aspects of people's lives? Guns, abortion, internet porn, sexual orientation, education, and how many others? Republicans have done a pretty good job of appending the word "family" to every issue from taxes to string theory. They've owned those issues for years. One issue that the Dems have been identified with is gun control. To my mind, they got suckered into handling it all wrong.

Guns are technology that will never, ever go away. They cannot be banned and they cannot be regulated out of existence. Why? Because people frequently need them. And even when they don't need them, they think they might. It's that simple. So the best thing to do is to teach people how to use guns safely and responsibly. Fortunately, education is right up Liberalism's alley. We're real good at it when we are not whores to corporate money. Ask most any die hard liberal and they will tell you that people are basically good and if we just educate them they will know how to be good.

If individual citizens in this country actually understood firearms and the rules of engagement regarding their use as well as their dangers, maybe they wouldn't be so quick to kick the shit out of foreign countries because they better understand the causes and effects of technological violence.

Yep. Context is everything. If you live in a community with a healthy tax base and high property values you have invisible economic barriers that keep out the riff raff (read: poor, desperate people). If you happen to be one of the poor, desperate people, you're pretty much on your own in more ways than one. If Liberals want to actually help the people that are ostensibly their base, they need to educate them so they are something more than cannon fodder for the military industrial complex. A community of people who are well educated, decently clothed and fed and are not wholly preoccupied on how they are going to live past tomorrow aren't likely to have to defend themselves against violence with violence.

End rant.

[The Microbe]

18. I understand the thin line you walk.

Gun websites are a great place to share information and learn. The issue is for me (and you perhaps) is the majority of them are heavily populated with far-right leaning individuals, the kind who are intolerant and narrow minded of others' opinions.

There are some good ones with a broad membership base though, but you have to search and be prepared to see a lot of ugly. Or you can just stick to gun threads and ignore political ones.

I'm an independent who has voted only Democrat (4 presidental elections). I really hope to see the party move away from ineffectual legislation that only undermines civil liberties. Why should the 2nd be treated with less reverence than the 1st or 4th? Or any part of the Bill of Rights for that matter?

I do think education on the topic is the greatest challenge. The average person knows little about guns and gleaned most information from movies or news reports which invariably are slanted heavily against firearms, treating them like the source of societal issues rather than the inanimate tools they are.

Some good posts here and some sorely dissapointing ones. Educate others and be responsible citizens and gun owners; it's all we can do.

[rrneck]

19. Educate others and be responsible citizens and gun owners; it's all we can do.

You said a mouth full.

This is the only internet forum I have ever posted on, although I have lurked around a few. There's a good brain trust here on both sides of the issue, although sometimes I think the cut and paste function should be disabled in the interest of clarity and civility.

Places like this are where cultural growth happens. It's the "but what ifs" from people you might not otherwise have a chance to meet that help us all learn, and learning is change, and change is always stressful.

Welcome aboard :hi:

[old mark]

23. I learned to shoot over 50 years ago in the Cub Scouts -

and I really enjoyed it, kept my interest all my life. I have owned old military rifles from as far back as the 1880's, and have a bit of knowledge and esperience with them that I like to share. I have also found that you never really run out of things to learn.
I really hate the fact that many of the sites I have visited since they were established are now so hate ridden that just the mention of anything favorable to the Democrats or liberalism even in the most modest degree is vilified. I am very disapointed and saddened by this.

One thing that does encourage me is the amount of support for pro gun issues I see in real life Democrats. I can only encourage all pro gun Democrats. Liberals. Progressives, what you will, to let your congresspeople know how you feel. I email them from time to time just to remind them that there are a lot of 2nd ammendment Democrats around,more than they think, maybe.
Thanks - now MY rant is over.
mark

[yay]

20. Context

On a gun forum saying anything anti-gun or really anything about obama will earn scorn.

Anything pro-gun or anti-obama on a liberal forum will earn scorn.

No love for the middle I guess.

[Redneck Socialist]

22. Sure, you can be both.

My internet handle comes from the fact that many of my liberal friends think I'm a redneck, mainly because I hunt and like guns. My conservative friend think I'm a freakin' commie, because of my politics. I'm sure my truck, with its liberal bumper stickers, gets some odd looks at the shooting range.

The way I deal with it is to not talk politics on gun boards. Some of them do a pretty good job of segregating the political talk into subforums. Every once in a while I get stupid and venture a peek into the lair of the damned. I pretty quickly retreat in horror. Then I remember that I'm not at guns.com or where ever for insightful political commentary. I'm there to talk about guns. As long as I stick to that I'm good. I can get my political fix here at DU.