We need a list of the "gun free zone" failures.

[Tim01]

I carry just about everywhere I go. The store, restaurants,car dealerships, on and on and on. In years and years of carrying I have never had any problem of any kind. I know a LOT of other guys who carry, same thing.
But I don't carry where it is illegal to. Like in schools, courthouses, post offices,airports. That is because I am not a criminal.
In any given environment with lots of people there are a few good guys with guns and a few bad guys with guns and knives. 99% of the time nothing comes of it. Occasionally a bad guy will start hurting people and sometimes a good guy will stop him, it does happen.
But not in places like schools. When people move from the mall to the school all of the good guys disarm themselves, but not the criminals. In Columbine what happened was bad guys ignored the "gun free zone" sign and entered the school filled with unarmed victims. They then casually moved through the school killing people at their leisure until they chose to stop. Virginia Tech was the same outcome. Bad guy ignored the "gun free zone" sign and moved through the school killing people until he decided to stop.
In the attempted mass church shooting, the bad guy stopped when the woman with the concealed gun shot him. He shot people in the parking lot at leisure then entered the church where he was stopped. It was a big church full of people.

Gun free zones cause an environment where the criminals are armed and the average people are disarmed.

Gun free zones do not make people safer. Even if they do make people *feel* safer. "Gun free zones" actually create more victims.

[lazer47]

1. The best and irrefutable example is Australia,,

[ChairmanAgnostic]

2. Chicago Public Schools

I've lost count how many kids have been shot to death, but the number is shocking and mind-numbing.
Some on school grounds, many going to or coming from, and others near playgrounds, but it truly sucks. And chicago has some pretty tough rules on gun ownership.

[Israfel4]

3. Doesn't Chicago have

a COMPLETE handgun ban there????? Its working just fine for the law abiding citizens there who FOLLOW the law. I wonder why criminals don't follow the law :sarcasm:

[ChairmanAgnostic]

6. exactly.

By the by, after this post, I was heading back from court, and heard a radio report that the catholic priest "of hate" (who was under the microscope for giving a sermon at Obama's old church) is flying the US flag upside down because the 38th school kid died from gun violence.

THIRTY FUCKING EIGHT KIDS!

[X_Digger]

4. Here's what I could find..

Bath School 1927
University of Texas 1966
South Carolina State 1968
Olean High 1974
CSU Fullerton 1976
Cleveland Elementary 1979
Parkway Junior High 1983
Mcdonalds 1984
Hubbard Woods 1988
Stockton 1989
University of Iowa 1991
Luby's Cafeteria 1991
Lindhurst 1992
Simon's Rock 1992
Long Island Railroad 1993
Grayson Ky 1993
Richland High 1995
Moses Lake 1996
San Diego State 1996
Penn State 1996
Bethel Alaska High School 1997
Pearl MI 1997
Paducah KY 1997
Westside Middle School 1998
Parker Middle School 1998
Thurston High 1998
Fort Gibson 1999
Columbine 1999
Conyers GA 1999
Westwood Baptist 1999
Buell 2000
Kansas City Church 2000
U of A 2000
Santanna 2001
Greater Oak Missionary Baptist Church 2001
Granite Hills 2001
Our Lady of Peace Catholic Church 2002
Appalachian School of Law 2002
Benedictine monastery 2002
Red Lion 2003
CWRU 2003
Rocori High 2003
Turner Monumental AME Church 2003
Columbia High 2004
FDU 2004
Crystal Cathedral 2004
World Changers Church International 2005
Red Lake High School 2005
Living Church of God 2005
Campbell Co High 2005
Pine Middle School 2006
Ministry of Jesus Christ Church 2006
Essex Elementary 2006
Zion Hope Missionary Baptist Church 2006
Platte Canyon 2006
Weston High 2006
Goleta CA 2006
Amish school 2006
Ward Parkway Mall 2007
First Congregational Church 2007
Idaho Presbyterian Church 2007
Virginia Tech 2007
Colorado Springs church 2007
Omaha shopping mall 2007
Univ of Washington 2007
Delaware State 2007
SuccessTech Academy 2007
Trolley Square Mall 2008
Louisiana Tech 2008
Mitchell High 2008
Tennessee Valley Unitarian 2008
E.O.Green High 2008
N Illinois Univ 2008
Davidson High 2008
Central High (knoxville) 2008
Henry Ford High 2008
Univ Central Ar 2008
Dillard High 2008
Kirkwood MO Council 2008
Notre Dame Elementary 2008
Henry Ford CC 2009
Hampton Univ 2009
Illinois Church 2009
NC Nursing Home 2009
Binghamton NY immigration center 2009
Wesleyan Uni 2009 *

eta: just saw the post re Wesleyan in LBN

[SteveM]

8. A post-modern secular take on the Mid-Eastern suicide bomber?

Style is a big thing in this country, and may be melding with fame. Mass-style being necessarily conformist, the illusion of everyday occurrence at once portends a decline in "school-yard spectaculars." The passe replaced by something else.

[virginia mountainman]

5. Thats easy....

Practically ALL mass public shootings happen in them......

[old mark]

7. DC was as "gun free" as anywhere in the US could get - they had

the strictest anti-gun laws in the US, or nearly so. You were subject to arrest if police found one piece of empty brass in your possesion, yet their violent crime rate was horrible. The laws served to keep guns out of the hands of the law abiding - criminals oddly enough did not bother to obey.

mark