Four shot dead in Atlanta suburb. 4yo wounded.

[sharesunited]

Who needs guns? We need guns! Thanks Second Amendment.

http://www.ajc.com/news/gwinnett/four-killed-in-gwinnett-125730.html

[cliffordu]

1. Did you hear the head of the SPCA left their dog in a car and cooked the pooch???

That's what we need!!!! More cars!!!!

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[Fire_Medic_Dave]

3. Never miss an opportunity to turn a tragedy into your personal political soapbox.

[sharesunited]

4. Such A Tragedy. Now Carry On Dying, Americans.

[katandmoon]

5. He obviously learned that technique from the NRA.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

6. Actually it was a consultant for the Joyce Foundation.

[Scout]

10. hahahahaha!

hahahahahahahahaha

:rofl:

[Tim01]

7. Too much easy access to guns, knives, bottles,sticks, rocks,boots,fuel. nt

[Euromutt]

8. Possibly "domestic-related" say the cops?

“There’s a hint of this being domestic related,” <spokeswoman Cpl. Spellman> said.

Domestic homicides never "just happen." There's always a long pattern of escalating violence, culminating in somebody killing another. There's a distinct possibility the perp had a domestic violence conviction (even a misdemeanor would disqualify him from possessing a firearm), and if not, it's almost certain he should have had.

Domestic violence is a serious problem, not least because there's a good likelihood of somebody being killed as a result, and that applies whether there are firearms involved or not.

[sharesunited]

9. When the public has access to guns, innocent people get killed. Oh well. Tough.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

11. I wonder if it was legal for the shooter to possess a firearm.

[GunGuyinPA]

16. Nobody is ever killed by violence in Britain!/sarc

http://ccwsaveslives.blogspot.com/

[gorfle]

17. Correct.

Glad you understand the situation.

[Euromutt]

18. Innocent people get killed everywhere!

It doesn't bloody matter how stringent the local gun laws are, or how prevalent firearms ownership. When two highland Papuans encounter each other on the trail, they start an extensive naming of family members in hopes of establishing that they are distantly related to each other so that they have an excuse not to try to kill each other. Ergo, the default response to encountering a stranger is to try to kill him. And this has been the situation since long before anyone brought a firearm onto the island, not that many highlanders have firearms. And that's just one example.

And please don't insult my intelligence by pretending you actually give a shit about the victims of this shooting, Mr. Compassion. You don't know a thing about them beyond what's in the papers, and I'm not prepared to believe you've even followed this case after posting the OP. Speaking of which, let's check the update: http://www.ajc.com/news/gwinnett/victims-125730.html

Ringold apparently began an argument with Butler in the front yard, pulled a gun, took her inside and shot her, <district attorney Danny> Porter said.
<...>
<Chief assistant D.A. Phil Wiley> said it appears that Ringold and Butler were arguing because he may have become romantically involved with another woman.

“We don’t know for sure why the other people were killed,” Porter said.

Perhaps, the prosecutor said, Ringold wanted to eliminate all the witnesses and may have believed he had when he left the scene.

You want me to believe that someone who would murder his girlfriend due to an argument over his sexual two-timing, and then try to murder everyone else in the house, doesn't have issues that go beyond possessing a firearm? You want me to believe that this guy was perfectly regular joe, who normally wouldn't hurt a fly, but because he possessed a firearm, he suddenly became a sociopathic multiple murderer?

Magical thinking. That's all I can say.

[TPaine7]

22. When the police have access to guns, innocent people get killed. Oh well. Tough...

...

When soldiers have access to guns, innocent people get killed. Oh well. Tough.

...

When the state has access to guns, innocent people get killed. Oh well. Tough.

...

Anyone with the most rudimentary knowledge of history knows that states are responsible for the deaths of more innocent people than armed individuals acting on their own behalf. Do you support the state being armed?

If so, let's not pretend that your motivation for disarming non-state actors has anything whatsoever to do with a concern for "innocent people get{ting} killed."

[JonQ]

12. I've asked this of your before, and thusfar never recieved an answer:

what do you say when drunk or incompetent drivers kill whole families by misusing their particular inanimate object of choice? Ban cars? Diseased car culture that promotes this behavior? Or leave the cars alone, arrest those who misuse them?

[friendly_iconoclast]

13. Guns have 'ka', or a sort of muti. Cars don't

If you are killed with a gun, the gun caused it.
Killed with a car-It's the drivers fault.

If someone shoots you dead, you're deader than you would be if you were killed by a drunk driver hitting you.


Guns are evil, and compel their fatal misuse.
Cars are only inanimate objects that might be misused by a drunk, drugged, incompetent, or enraged driver.

Well, mostly. I've seen more than one idiot install a nitrous system on a Honda Civic while retaining the stock brakes.
Now that's evil!

[JonQ]

14. Ok, thanks that clears things up

Think you could put that in haiku form?

[Howzit]

23. Who is to blame for drive by shootings?

Gun or car?

[sharesunited]

19. Accidental, negligent, or with gross disregard VS. Intentional, deliberate, and with malice.

The purpose of guns and ammo is to kill and inflict great bodily harm.

Yet your confusion persists?

[JonQ]

20. Does the purpose matter?

Fertilizer is meant to help crops grow, and yet McVeigh used it to kill 600+ people, I guess that wasn't murder because the purpose of the item was peaceful?

Cars are unneccessary, not protected by the constitution, a kill far more people than guns. They are complicated machines that irresponsible people shouldn't have, but do.

Why the double standard?

[sharesunited]

21. Yes the purpose obviously matters. And the convenience, efficiency, and likelihood of use to kill.

McVeigh went to a lot of trouble to fashion a bomb out of materials whose principal purpose is non-lethal, and to plant the bomb and trigger its detonation when he was a safe distance away. Not a solution most goofs would choose to "solve" their personal problems. Guns are the ticket!

If you want to crusade for the eradication of cars on the basis of automobile fatalities, go right ahead. But personal transportation is much more deserving of constitutional protection than guns are. As a means of intentional killing, they rank low.

America suffers from reverence for a Second Amendment which is both obsolete and grievously misinterpreted.

[Tejas]

24. You always have these same old tired whines,

Call me when you get ready to ban baseball bats and the rest of the items used (by criminals) to murder people in this country.

[JonQ]

25. So if your family were wiped out by a car

you'd be ok with that, so long as a gun was not involved? Intentions matter, the car wasn't intended to kill your family, so it doesn't really count.

McVeigh went to relatively little trouble, making that sort of bomb is disturbingly simple.

"And the convenience, efficiency, and likelihood of use to kill."

The numbers would put alcohol, tobacco, cars, swimming pools, and big macs ahead of guns. But you're a grabber, when guns are involved numbers don't mean anything.

"America suffers from reverence for a Second Amendment which is both obsolete and grievously misinterpreted. "

Just the first, let's ban that too. Can't have too many freedoms, they get confusing.

[Euromutt]

26. Why do only intentional killings count, except that it suits your argument?

The number of people killed annually in the United States by motor vehicle collisions is more than half again the number who die from gunshot wounds. And all but a handful of motor vehicle deaths are unintentional; nobody's even trying to make them happen, but they happen anyway.

Of course, the point you're missing is that nobody's asserting that these deaths are the cars' fault. They happen because the driver is tired, or distracted, or intoxicated, or just plain careless, but one way or the other, the problem lies with the driver.

Yeah, McVeigh had to go to some trouble to build his truck bomb, but then again, he killed 168 people, injured another 680+ and caused more than $650 million in property damage in a matter of seconds. Would he have been able to inflict that kind of damage with a brace of firearms? I don't see how. And again, it's not the fault of the chemicals and the truck involved; the fault lies with the mass-murdering asshole who put them together and used them to kill people.

Similarly, the (mis)use to which a firearm is put is not the fault of the firearm; it is the fault of the person operating it, be it due to intent or negligence. Is that really so hard to grasp?

ETA: what's with your use of the word "goof"? Someone who murders four people and only by sheer luck fails to murder a fifth--a child--isn't committing a "goof," he's committing a deliberate and malicious act. In fact, the overwhelming majority of homicides aren't committed by people who are committing some silly mistake that only turned deadly because they had a gun; they known damn well what they're doing.

[JonQ]

27. It didn't take much effort to turn

a passenger plane in to weapon, that killed thousands of americans (hard to do that with a gun).

And yet in the aftermath, despite accusations flying in all directions, no one thought to blame the planes themselves.

For some reason the people who aimed them were the bad guys, not the item they used to do their killing.

[rrneck]

28. Convenience and efficiency aren't always bad.

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[Fire_Medic_Dave]

29. Never miss an opportunity to turn a tragedy into your personal political soapbox.

[Euromutt]

30. You already said that, Dave

By which I mean, you already said it in this thread.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

31. My mistake, still true though.