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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 12:17 PM Original message |
PA: House Judiciary Committee to Consider "Castle Doctrine" and "No Retreat" Bills, Nov 19. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
1. Does PA have an existing duty to retreat? |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:34 PM Response to Reply #1 |
11. The real benefit of these types of bills IMO |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
2. Which would bring PA into step with just about every other state including California |
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T Wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
3. Does this mean I get to stand in my yard and take potshots at schoolkids who walk across it? |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 01:09 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Nope. |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 08:10 PM Response to Reply #4 |
23. What if those damn kids are stealing my lawn mower? |
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Katya Mullethov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 08:36 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. The best way to avoid the hammer |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 08:52 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. I know what I'm doing. |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 08:56 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. as for the wife thing |
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Katya Mullethov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 09:54 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. Then proceed to shoot the mailman Einstein |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 10:33 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Not if he kicks my wife. |
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jeepnstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 08:51 AM Response to Reply #31 |
40. That's very nice for you. |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-29-10 11:28 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. My safe room cost me $110.00 |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 08:57 PM Response to Reply #23 |
36. Relax. We've had a Castle Doctrine in California for several decades. |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 08:13 AM Response to Reply #23 |
39. Then deadly force is not authorized, BUT you could use a pepper spray or other appropriate force. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 10:36 AM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Some people already know this... |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 01:20 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Are the kids in your neighborhood committing violent attacks on the way to and from school? |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 01:37 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Nope, not even close. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. If you were to actually read the bill you would find that you have to have a reasonabe fear |
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T Wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:11 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. I tell you, I'm terrible asceered of them kids walking across my lawn, or even next door. I damn |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:42 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. That would not pass a test of reasonableness |
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T Wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:45 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. As a social scientist, I worry every time we humans start to define terms that "everyone just |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 04:05 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. You think that's hard? Try explaining the DUer known as "Recursion" |
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T Wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 04:41 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Does this law apply to the incident where the man killed two burglars LEAVING his |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 04:55 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Too bad you don't "seem to remember" the details of the case at hand. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:26 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. And it was all legal in the State it occured in. |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:34 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Yeah, I totally forgot to mention that part of it. |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 08:22 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. This is America, we have the best justice system one can buy. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 06:31 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. He was no-billed by a grand jury because he was acting in self defense. |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 08:24 PM Response to Reply #18 |
27. So, it's only legal if you have a cop see it? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 08:55 PM Response to Reply #13 |
33. The standard is not "everyone just knows" |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 08:18 PM Response to Reply #12 |
25. reasonable is not a black and white word, it is gray and open to argument. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 06:33 PM Response to Reply #10 |
19. Too bad you'd go to jail in a Castle Doctrine state, if that was your justification. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 10:37 AM Response to Reply #10 |
43. Disrupting disruptors disrupt... poorly. n/t |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 08:14 PM Response to Reply #8 |
24. I never have a reasonable fear |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:56 PM Response to Reply #3 |
14. Dorothy, your strawman is lacking in brains. N/T |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:24 PM Response to Reply #3 |
20. You really need to stop playing the fool. |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 08:26 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. Your argument was going good until you just had to attack your opponent |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 08:54 PM Response to Reply #3 |
32. No. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 10:25 AM Response to Reply #3 |
41. Try not to sound stupid. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 11:38 AM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Aargh, another necro-thread. |
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ManiacJoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
7. Link to the text of the bill: |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
9. If we're going to let |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 08:34 PM Response to Reply #9 |
29. I see enough holes to drive a tank thru. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 08:56 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. I think you should |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-29-10 11:33 PM Response to Reply #35 |
47. I spent a lot of time in court 2 years ago |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 02:02 PM Response to Reply #9 |
45. You missed a minor detail |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-30-10 01:35 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Sure did. |
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