Pizza delivery woman fatally shot after call to vacant apartment

[DemocratSinceBirth]

JACKSONVILLE, Florida -- A Jacksonville pizza delivery woman was killed by two men who called her to deliver at a vacant apartment.

Police say it was the second such incident in the area in the past few days. On Thursday, a driver had a gun thrust in his stomach but wasn't shot.

The driver killed Friday night wasn't immediately identified. Police were still searching for the men who lured her there and shot her in the chest, just steps from her van.

A neighbor who rushed to help said the woman took a few breaths, then went unconscious. She was pronounced dead after being transported to Shands Jacksonville Hospital.

It was Jacksonville's 100th homicide in 2009, an improvement over last year. In 2009 the city had 144 killings.


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/crime/os-pizza-delivery-woman-killed-20091206,0,1069408.story

[WVRICK13]

1. I Used to Live In Jacksonville

and hoped it had gotten more safe. Guess it hasn't. Tis a shame cause it is a nice city in lots of ways.

[Stables2010]

2. a large Pizza plus delivey money.............I would of gave it up real quick.

not saying she didn't But I think if that sall they wanted she could of atleast got away with her life instead of being shot in the back by some starving, petty, murderous, crooks, seem like she tried to resist.

[stray cat]

3. I bet she was shot before being asked.

you likely would have ended up just as dead - wrong place wrong time

[Stables2010]

4. maybe, doesn't matter to much now..........hopefully the murderers are found and put away

[grace0418]

7. I can't imagine any delivery person would resist with a gun pointed at them.

My guess is these fuckers killed her without offering her any options.

[Blue_Tires]

13. back when i lived in Atlanta there was a driver shot just for the pizzas, evidently

same MO...ordered 8 or 9 pizzas and gave a vacant home as the address...

[michreject]

5. The gun grabbers would think she's morally superior

She didn't use a evil gun to defend herself.

When a delivery person uses a gun to defend them self, the cry heard far and wide is that no life is worth a large pizza and a few bucks. Just give the thug what he wants.

[reggie the dog]

10. It is Florida, the driver has the right to carry a weapon

[michreject]

15. They do in several states

But that didn't stop Pizza Hut from firing some delivery people from defending their life with a gun.

In Iowa

http://consumerist.com/2008/04/pizza-hut-delivery-driver-fired-for-shooting-armed-robber.html

A Pizza Hut delivery driver with a valid handgun permit has been fired after he shot an armed robber who put a gun to his head and demanded he turn over his cash. Now an Iowa state senator is calling for a boycott of Pizza Hut:

In Indiana

http://www.wave3.com/Global/story.asp?S=1877208&nav=0RZFNDof

Pizza Hut Fires Driver For Carrying Gun; Driver Said He Killed Armed Robber

(INDIANAPOLIS, May 18th, 2004, 3:30 p.m.) -- A pizza delivery driver who fatally shot a man he said brandished a gun and tried to rob him was fired from his job and could face criminal charges.

Above incident is discussed here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1641322

[GreenStormCloud]

33. They are afraid of the liability lawsuit from a bad shoot.

It is pure cover-your-ass, never mind about the delivery person. If they allow their people to be armed, they are implicitly assuming responsibility for their actions.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

11. Stupid flamebait

is stupid.

[michreject]

16. Fact nt

[nashville_brook]

12. apparently, "the gun nuts" will exploit any tragedy to advance their agenda

"gun grabbers"... really? you want to make this tragedy into a smear on your personal political enemies. man -- get a grip.

[michreject]

17. I learned that technique from gun grabbers

How's it working out?

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

18. I see your argumentation technique is "I know you are but what am I?"

How's it working out?

[eqfan592]

25. See post number 8.

Anti-gun folks set the standard for this sort of behavior.

[Hoopla Phil]

22. It is a shame that tragedies such as this happen. Hopefully some will

learn from this incident.

[RoadRage]

6. Pizza places need to start taking Credit Cards Only...

You order the pizza on the phone, and pay for them before the Driver ever leaves. It's the only way to keep a lot of these people safe... if they don't have any cash on them, there is no way to rob them.

[Renew Deal]

9. I don't want to give credit card numbers to kids and others working at pizza places over the phone

Who can just write the numbers down.

[RoadRage]

14. Then maybe you buy Pizza Gift Cards or use Visa Cash Cards?

I don't know.. but something needs to be done so that these people don't have to be out with cash on them - they're way to big of targets unfortunately...

[WI_DEM]

8. You have to wonder what is wrong with people who can so cold bloodedly take another life

and why it is so easy for people to get guns in this country. I was going to say this is inhuman but most animals kill for food--these punks kill for the joy of it.

[Hoopla Phil]

23. Yes, evil does exist.

[eqfan592]

24. You just couldn't resist, could you? Disgusting. *nt)

[Euromutt]

29. You could have left it at the subject line

The problem in this instance were the people willing to kill someone over a couple of dozen dollars and a few chain-store pizzas. This kind of person has the nasty tendency to acquire firearms no matter how tightly you restrict legal ownership, because as long as there's a criminal demand for firearms, some asshole will supply them. The criminal element in western Europe has no trouble getting any kind of small arm or light weapon when they want one; at best, western European criminals are more reticent about killing people who aren't business competitors, but that's rapidly getting less so, with the more ruthless Russian and Balkan elements moving in increasing numbers.

[SteveM]

31. Perhaps they knew the Pizza company's no-guns policy for employees? (nt)

[WI_DEM]

19. Why would this be moved from GD to Guns?

Can't you discuss anything like this in General Discussion?

[GreenStormCloud]

20. Nope. Anything gun related gets moved to the gungeon by the mods. N/T

[SteveM]

32. You may wish to check the posting rules...

Frankly, I WELCOME the chance to discuss the Second Amendment in General Discussion, in Latest Breaking, in Outdoors, in Gardening for Fun & Profit, in Studies of Japanese Heavy Cruisers in Late WW II Era, in ANY forum. In this manner, Second Amendment arguments can be made before the broadest possible audience in DU; as it stands, however, Guns Forum is WIDELY read. I am confident that more and more DU members will (and have) come to strongly support the Second Amendment, and re-claim 2A as a progressive stand.

But, there are rules.

[benEzra]

21. The guy who founded Second Chance Body Armor wasn't a police officer...

he was a former pizza delivery guy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chance_Body_Armor_Company

[spin]

26. Here's a video on Richard Davis and the events that led to Second Chance Body Armor...

NOTE: THIS VIDEO IS VERY GRAPHIC

http://boingboing.net/2008/07/05/body-armor-developer.html

[proteus_lives]

28. Wow!

I tip my hat to that gentleman!

[proteus_lives]

27. That's awful!

If I was pizza delivery man, I would be carrying. You never know who is going to answer the door.

[AtheistCrusader]

30. That's awful.

Delivering pizzas was what led me to acquire my first concealed carry license, but in all honesty, it may not have worked at all in a sitation like this. Better to have it, than not, but if someone's just going to flat out shoot you with no warning, not a lot you can do.