Hunters Suspicious of Chuck Schumer

[Katya Mullethov]

Well no kiddin'.....
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Hunters+Are+Suspicious+of++Schumer&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

[baldguy]

1. Is there an actual story here? Or just a Google search you made up?

[X_Digger]

4. Don't bang your knee jerking like that..

Had you actually clicked through, you would have gotten this..

http://www.dailyfinance.com/story/media/hunters-are-suspicious-of-their-new-best-friend-chuck-schumer/19292473/

[baldguy]

8. The link in the OP wasn't to a story. It was to a negatively-worded Google search.

And your link to is just another Democrat-bashing story masquerading as "news" with the same old anti-Democrat "usual suspects" bloviating with the same old talking points.

[X_Digger]

9. The search..

.. brings up the same story being discussed in multiple forums (fora? forii??)

Had you actually clicked on the link and looked at the results, you could have figured that out without someone having to explain it to you.

[baldguy]

10. The story is ostensibly about a tax credit for donating venison.

However, it's purpose is to provide a propaganda outlet to criticize Schumer - and by extension the Democratic party. Why does it quote an anti-Dem GOP front group like the NRA otherwise? About a tax credit?

The search in the OP was intended to produce biased results, such as the equally biased report you cite.

For information from reputable news orgs regarding Schumer's tax credit proposal for donating venison, try "schumer venison tax credit":

http://www.google.com/search?q=schumer+venison+tax+credit

And you get an example of an unbiased report without the RW talking points (from a local NYS paper, too!):

Schumer touts venison tax credit for hunters
http://www.littlefallstimes.com/homepage/x1945274399/Schumer-touts-venison-tax-credit-for-hunters

See how that works?

[X_Digger]

11. *clap *clap* He can use google!

http://www.dailyfinance.com/story/media/hunters-are-suspicious-of-their-new-best-friend-chuck-schumer/19292473/

I should trust podunk NY's local paper over a finance reporting website?

[baldguy]

12. Since when does finance reporting have anything to do with the real world?

At least the newspaper contains news instead of regurgitated RW fantasies.

And why should the NRA's opinion on tax policy be considered at all?

The only reason for this "story" to exist is to bash a leading Democrat & the Democratic party. Period.

[X_Digger]

13. When it's about TAX offsets, yah, financial paper makes sense. Duh

I'm not sure where you're fabricating "NRA's opinion on tax policy" from.

[baldguy]

14. Try READING the little bit of propaganda you're linking to & tell me who Andrew Arulanandam is.

And why he is being quoted.

[X_Digger]

16. LOL!! 4 sentences in an article makes it a piece on "NRA's opinion on tax policy"??

Man, you gotta get those glasses fixed. The article talks about Schumer's playing nice for the cameras in apparent bid to appeal to more rural NY voters. I guess the US Sportsmen's Alliance quote makes the article "USSA's opinion on tax policy" too? In an article talking about Schumer's playing nice to hunters, who else would you solicit quotes from, eh? PETA? The ACLU?

[baldguy]

21. There's no reason to solicit a quote from the NRA at all.

Other than, of course, to have a hook with which to hang some criticism - which is the whole purpose of the story. They couldn't come right out and show the GOP's opinion of Schumer, so they got the next best thing - the NRA.

[X_Digger]

23. Okay, not glasses.. BLINDERS

Which groups represent hunters? What group gives more hunter safety classes than any other? What group do a majority of hunters belong to?

Your one dimensional (and provably false) assertion that NRA=GOP has blinded you once again.

[baldguy]

24. The NRA represents hunters? That's your first mistake.

Not acknowledging that the NRA is an extremist RW political organization whose sole purpose is to promote conservative policies is your second. They adhere to the current Republican strategy of opposing any & every Democratic proposal that is made - no matter how reasonable, effective and popular it may be. Allowing hunters to get a tax break for donating the game they kill to food banks certainly qualifies.

The NRA & GOP can't have Schumer viewed as sympathetic in any way to concerns of hunters - therefor they have to generate a hit-piece.

The first step in neutralizing propaganda & defusing it's power is to recognize it & avoid it. You can do this by discounting the views of obvious partisans - like the NRA.

[X_Digger]

27. I notice you didn't address my questions..

That would be too hard to acknowledge for you, I'm sure.

"generate a hit-piece" -- man, your boogeymen are aaaall powerful, aren't they? *snort*

Here's a few headlines from the NRA's newsletters recently..

http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/local/courier_times/courier_times_news_details/article/28/2009/november/02/hunters-taking-over-for-federal-sharpshooters.html
Hunters taking over for federal sharpshooters

About a dozen property owners have been paired with about 200 hunters.

Since a highly controversial deer culling program, which used sharpshooters from the U.S. Department of Agriculture to thin its deer population, ended about a year ago, Solebury officials have turned to local hunters to help keep the number of deer down.

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/wisconsinrapidstribune/access/1914741541.html?FMT=ABS&date=Dec+03,+2009
Blomberg: dismal deer harvest increases debate over changes

Agitated hunters, 626,404 strong and protective of a tradition that spans parts of two centuries, will be watching closely as the governor's appointed Natural Resources Board acts on future season lengths and harvest quotas.

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=5249
Hunting Threatened In Mojave National Preserve

The Center for Biological Diversity (CBD), in concert with the Sierra Club and other anti-hunting organizations, has filed a petition with the California Fish and Game Commission to ban most hunting in the Mojave National Preserve, including rabbit and varmit hunting. What hunting remains (resident game birds, deer, and bighorn sheep) would be restricted.

http://www.prairiestateoutdoors.com/index.php?/pso/article/more_women_turning_to_hunting/
More women turning to hunting

SHREVEPORT, La. (AP) - Sherry Finck isn’t surprised that members of the Ya Ya Sisterhood are picking up their weapons and heading to the woods in growing numbers in search of wild game.

Whether it’s shotguns, rifles or bows and arrows and whether they’re looking for deer, turkey or ducks, Louisiana women are turning to the outdoors.

[tburnsten]

28. You are reacting very strongly to a very mild statement by an NRA dude

Why? And you also keep claiming without offering any evidence whatsoever that the NRA is a GOP organization or an extremist right wing organization. They are not.

[Tejas]

32. Reality check for you:

When it comes to RKBA, some of us have a worse opinion of Schumer than the GOP and NRA combined.

[baldguy]

33. So, do you oppose a tax credit for donations of venison?

And do you twist his proposal around to try and claim it's actually an additional tax on hunting?

[Tejas]

34. I can kill the messenger just as easily as you do.

[baldguy]

36. So, ignore the merits of the proposal - If the NRA sez "SCHUMER BAD!!!" their wolves attack him.

How freeperish.

[Tejas]

37. Hey, you really need to get over the NRA, but if it works for you

there's NOTHING anyone here can say or do to help you with that phobia. Again, if it's the NRA or GOP or Free Republic or World NET News whatevertherestoftheirnameis you and yours go full throttle moonbat.

Watch the youtube that shows Dr Hupp's Senate testimony and the resultant disdain shown by Schumer. If after viewing that you still think he gives a flying rats-a$$ about the RKBA (much less hunter's rights/contributions) then good luck with any of your attempts at tangents on any argument here....you'll need it because I'm not civilized enough to put up with your drivel.

Thank you for playing!

[baldguy]

39. The NRA is one of the truly evil extreme RW organizations dedicated to destroying America.

If you wish to be their puppet, that's your business.

[Tejas]

41. REPENT AND JOIN !!1!

Yep, going to do it all on their own, 4mil members out of 80mil gunowners, stick a fork in the USofA!

[tburnsten]

15. Taxes on venison

Should be covered by the hunting license (you have heard of this item yes?), there should not be a venison tax since hunters already pay for a license, there are excise taxes on firearms and ammunition to the best of my knowledge, and not every hunter gets an animal, thus increasing the per-deer or elk or moose or caribou or whatever animal you want $ income of state fish and game departments.


"Why does it quote an anti-Dem GOP front group like the NRA otherwise? "

And the NRA is not anti-dem, or pro-GOP, they are pro-constitutionally protected firearms rights, and pro-firearms safety, and most importantly, pro-marksmanship. Read American Rifle, by Alexander Rose sometime. It is a biography of the American service rifle from pre-Revolutionary times till today, the NRA enters the story in several sections, including one that goes over the reason it was established and its goals. They haven't changed, except to the extent that anti-gun and Constitution-disrespecting groups and politicians have forced thier hand as the gorilla in the room.


The NRA frequently supports Democrat politicians in races, just as often as they denounce Republican political candidates, it is not based on party lines, it is based on voting records related to firearms, and past words and actions that indicate whether or not the candidate is on the correct side of the issues or not.

[baldguy]

20. If it's not a biased headline & story, how come you're assuming it's an additional tax on hunters?

Read a news account that is NOT biased:

http://www.littlefallstimes.com/homepage/x1945274399/Schumer-touts-venison-tax-credit-for-hunters

When you put down the corporatist Republican propaganda and read about what he's really doing, you'll find out Schumer is promoting a tax CREDIT for venison donated to food banks. This proposal should find a great deal of support among the hunting community, and it has in spite of the RW campaign against it. Thereby exposing the lie that they can't find common ground with liberalism.

Of course the corporatocracy, GOP and NRA can't have that. So they get a tame RW columnist to write a piece bashing Schumer and Democrats in general, and THAT'S the story that gets posted here - not the simple, factual, unbiased straight news story, written by a real reporter who had the wherewithal to actually go to Schumer's news conference & ask him questions.

[tburnsten]

25. Because I read the article

And venison is not a taxed item. That would be like a politician in favor of giving people a tax credit for sunlight used on Wednesdays and holidays. It isn't a tax credit, it's a new tax.

[Merchant Marine]

18. OH, THE HUMANITY!

Andrew Arulanandam, a spokesman for the National Rifle Association which has often clashed with Schumer, says "everybody kind of just rolled their eyes" when Schumer's bill was introduced. He called the New Yorker a "Johnny-come-lately."

"He has amassed a lifetime of voting against hunters and voting against gun owners," he says.

GOD DAMN THE NRA AND THEIR POLITICAL ASSASSINATE SQUAD! HOW DARE THEY BRING UP THE SENATOR'S VOTING RECORD ABOUT A SINGLE ISSUE WHEN HE'S CLEARLY TRYING TO APPEASE VOTERS WHO CARE ABOUT THAT ISSUE!

Get a clue, baldguy. The NRA cares about guns and guns alone. They support dems who support guns and oust repubs who are against guns. Its very simple.

[Tejas]

35. You are killing baldguy's wedge attempts LOL!

[pipoman]

19. No propaganda involved,

Schumer is among the most 2nd amendment adversarial public figures, in favor of draconian gun control, in Washington today. And again with the meme "anti-Dem GOP front group like the NRA", which is demonstrably wrong, do we have to dredge up the actual statistics for who NRA donates to and how many Dems they actually endorse over GOPers? You know, the stats which shows that the NRA actually donated more money to Dems during the last several election cycles than all of the gun control groups combined?

In fact, right in NY the NRA endorsed Gillibrand for HRC's seat..

Schumer's long standing position of not knowing a gun law he doesn't love is well known and indisputable and certainly grounds for apprehension...try this google search

http://www.google.com/search?q=schumer+%22gun+control%22

[X_Digger]

2. Every time I see that picture..

.. I think two things.. did Chucky forget his glasses or did he refuse to wear them, and secondly does his pro-gun-control voting record come from projection- it looks like he's about to cream his pants, and I wonder if that's how he thinks all gun owners feel about guns.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

6. Talk about looking like a psycho. Good thing he's got a secure seat.

[Cronus Protagonist]

3. Looks to me like he's about to face plant that gun

But what do I know?

[spin]

5. Could it be possible that Chuck just enjoys shooting and hunting? ...

He does have a smile on his face in the picture. (I could criticize the fact that he is not wearing shooting glasses, but at least he does have ear protection.)

Believe it or not, shooting is fun and challenging. I can't remember I person that I introduced to shooting that was totally turned off at the end of their first session. Most proudly took their target home to show their friends.

I'll give him credit for an attempt to understand an issue that he legislates on. More politicians should put forth the same effort.

As for hunting, I personally have never engaged in that sport. I do know many shooters that do hunt, and they enjoy the experience. I am considering hunting as a means to stock my freezer. Deer and hog are plentiful where I live and the meat, when properly prepared, tastes as good or better then meat bought at a store.

[TheWraith]

38. As far as I'm aware, he's never really "hunted."

But he has been trying to pay more attention lately to hunters, possibly the influence of Senator Gillibrand on him. (She brought him around on gay marriage, why not other things?)

[tburnsten]

7. Since when is meat harvested through hunting taxed?

Is the government that desparate for revenue enhancement? If there will be a tax on meat harvested through hunting, then why should anyone pay for a hunting license as well? this is all bass-ackwards

[AtheistCrusader]

17. We're taxed plenty.

11% excise tax on ammo, for one. For wildlife preservation. Hunting permits are essentially a tax, that is also sales taxed, and other taxes.

I don't mind, but it is real/there.

[Katya Mullethov]

26. And apparently

You have to pay someone to gut , skin , quarter , fee-lay, and wrap your quarry for you . And then you have to pay someone else to hand it out for you . Chuck , the wellspring of generosity that he is , has made these burdensome expenses just a little less so . I have handed out a lot of food in my day , and it never required any such middlemen , but then I never drug along a couple dozen porters , cook , bartender, hairdresser , two guides , a mistress , and a merry band of rifle bearers eagerly presenting me with a choice of fine German drillings .

[Katya Mullethov]

49. In my haste I forgot two important members of that hunting party

A pair of matching publicists .

[tburnsten]

29. Oh I know about those taxes

I meant a straight meat tax of some sort. That doesn't exist by itself, it is all hidden in fees, excise taxes etc right? Or am I way off on this one?

[AtheistCrusader]

40. Correct, no straight 'meat' tax, unless you count the animal tag itself a tax.

Which it sort of is, with a chance of not actually obtaining said meat.

[tburnsten]

42. So where is this new game animal tax Chucky is trying to be so generous

with?

[AtheistCrusader]

44. There is no specific tax.

Unless there's something arcane in the state of New York that doesn't show up in searches. Only the hunting license, and associated excise taxes on ammunition and other hunting implements.

I hope the state is getting a good return on that meat, per lb. In a time when tax revenues are dropping, every little bit counts, even if this tax rebate is only a small amount.


Basically, it gives trophy hunters who do not consume venison a reason to go to the effort of packing out the meat, and donating it. (Some states it is illegal to just take the head or rack, and leave the carcass, including my home state, Washington)

[tburnsten]

45. Venison is so good

For a good while there was a small pizza/sub/Italian place in my area that had venison steak burgers and venison steak and cheese subs... Guess what I ordered every time I went in there?


Unfortunately some douchebag let all his suppliers deer out one night and so it's been some time that they've been trying to regroup. Balls.



The wording of the article and the discussion makes it seem as though they are trying to shed the best possible light on some new game tax. Which would blow nuts for sure.

[AtheistCrusader]

46. In essence, it's a tax on everyone else, for the hunters.

Since they are getting a rebate.

[baldguy]

22. You're a victim of RW propaganda.

[tburnsten]

30. You aren't making any sense

[SteveM]

47. The biggest boost to the NRA came from gun-controllers...

Before the late 60s, the NRA was virtually unheard of. After the gun-controllers decided to play culture war, things changed. The NRA has always been conservative, but not overtly right-wing. Any change in the strength, character and intensity of the NRA over the last two generations, can be laid at the feet of our little "liberal" culture warriors.

Thanks, baldy.

[Tejas]

31. Ah, Senator Schemer, next he'll try banning forest animals so hunters

won't have anything to shoot at.

"This proactive legislation will also make driving the highways safer, enough cars have been destroyed and lives ruined through hitting errant deer."




(Oh what_ever, just trying to compete with the ridiculousness of the grabbers around here)

[rd_kent]

43. Hey, katya mulletov...did you have a point or is this a hit and run?

[Katya Mullethov]

48. Distilled to its barest essence ?

"Schumer is an alpha weasel " This is echoed throughout the internet and in this very thread . My take on his revolutionary tax break for the Weatherby crowd is also included above .