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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 06:45 PM
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Have you ever been to a guy buy-back?
I have. A couple of years ago I went to one. I was in another state, CA, visiting my cousin. I arrived when it started and told them I was a free-lance journalist who wanted to watch an entire buy-back. (I have occasionally written about events I have seen and sold them.) I promised to stay out of the way and not interfer, I would only watch.

It was a smaller event, with only a couple of hundred guns being turned in. The offer a $50 grocery gift card was for any working gun. The cards were entirely donated by the store.

I considered it a great move by the store. Great PR, certain to be on all the local news, and the person who comes in with the gift card will be almost certain to buy other stuff too. An excellent investment of advertising bucks for them.

The local TV camera crews came in about 2PM, and were amazing ignorant about guns. I was tempted to try to educate them, but kept my promise and stayed out of the way, just listened.

I was allowed to stand close enough to see the makes and models of the guns.

The guns that were being turned in were junk guns. I saw bunches of older rabbit and squirrel guns. (.22LR caliber rifles.) One lady brought one in that she had inherited when her grandfather died, had been in her closet for years, so she was turning in his old "assault gun", before her eight-yr old boy found it. It was an old .22, and it was still loaded. For her, turning in the gun was the definately right thing to do.

I saw a few, very few, actual nice hunting rifles turned it, and a few nice shotguns. One was a beauty that would have fetched a nice price.

I did not see a single military style rifle turned in. No AK or AR pattern rifles. Nothing that remotely looked military.

Lots of single shot shotguns, including a few that were sawed off to pistol length were turned in. One guy turned in six single shot shotguns. I suspect that he had probably paid about $15 apiece for them, on the street.

Among handguns, I saw lots of so called "Saturday Night Specials". Junk guns, I call them. Ravens, Titans, RGs, etc. Put two boxes of ammo through some of the brands and the screws will start to work out and the gun falls apart in your hand. I saw exactly ONE .45 auto, and 3 or 4 9mm pistols of good quality, and about 5 or 6 .38/.357 revolvers of good quality. Everything else was junk that would not even be worth a pawnbroker's time. (I don't know if pawnshop in CA handle guns. In TX they usually do.)

One couple was funny. They had taken a good quality 9mm, and hacksawed off the trigger guard and trigger before turning the gun in. The gun and the pieces were in a kitchen plastic baggie. They were beaming with pride at their personal victoy in having destroyed a hated gun.

I saw some guns that were in horrible states of repair. They were ready for the trash.

Conclusion: With some few exceptions, the turned in guns were worth less than the $50 grocery gift card. Some of the people who turned in guns were quite ignorant of guns, and a few were fairly well informed - at least well informed enough to know their piece of junk wasn't worth $50.

Everyone who turned in a gun did the right thing - for them. They turned something of no value to them into $50. And many of them had no business being anywhere near a gun because they didn't know enough about them to be safe with them.

I don't think the streets were made any safer. But a few homes are safer because some people realized their ignorance, realized that they didn't want to learn about guns, and got rid of the gun in their homes.

I have some very old guns that are junk. I am watching the local news for the next gun buy-back around here and will turn some old worthless guns into some groceries. But I won't be selling my good stuff for only $50.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 06:47 PM
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1. what is a "guy buy-back"? do we get to turn in our old boyfriends?
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virgogal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 06:48 PM
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2. You might want to correct your header.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 06:48 PM
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3. No, but I wish I could have found one before I paid for a divorce
Getting somebody to buy him back would have been so much easier.
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Lil Missy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 06:49 PM
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4. a guy-byback?? HELL NO!!
:)
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 06:49 PM
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5. you mean someone will pay for some of the
losers I knew?
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 06:52 PM
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9. No shit. I've amassed a decent collection. There's cash value?!
shut UP!
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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 09:39 PM
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14. Response to 1,2,3,4,5,9 and others. LOL. Oops on me! Oh well.
I posted and left with wife to vist a friend. Just got back, too late to edit.
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MichaelHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 06:52 PM
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6. not to start a fight here
Edited on Fri Jan-01-10 06:53 PM by MichaelHarris
but your comment "I don't think the streets were made any safer." makes no sense unless you can tell the future of the weapons turned in. Do you know what that gun would have been used for if it had not been turned in? we DO know what it won't be used for now that it's turned in.
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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 09:43 PM
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15. Street guns are easily replaced.
Take a gun away from a street criminal and he can replace it as soon as he wants to, which is likely to be right away.
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MichaelHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 11:13 PM
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17. that's the part I'll never understand
though, you have the chance to get even one gun off the street and you don't support it. What does getting that one gun off the street hurt? Sure they may get another one but they won't ever get that one. What is the harm in that?
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SkiBum88 Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 04:20 PM
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19. Who are we trying to disarm here?
You need to keep in mind, the vast majority of the people turning in firearms are NOT gang members, felons, and criminals. In fact, they typically are people who just want a quick buck for their junk. Most of the firearms turned in are .22lr's made for shooting cans and jack rabbits. Not those "military style assault weapons" made for "killing cops".

The whole idea of getting guns "off the street" (as you put it) through a "guy" buy back is silly. The guns turned in are legally owned and configured small caliber rifles that are sitting in grandpa's attic, closet, or gun safe collecting dust. These gun owners (such as the OP) are just taking advantage of their opportunity to make a profit. I don't blame them.

These firearms pose no threat to the well being of the community. The firearms in the hands of criminals are the threat. And as I already said, criminals and gang bangers are not turning their MAK-90's, Ingrams, and TEC-9's into the gun buy backs, so what the point? The illusion of safety and progress?

I don't mean to insult anyone or stir the pot, I just want to offer the perspective from the "other side".
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 01:40 PM
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27. It's a waste of money with no real effect, except feel-good symbolism...
As has been mentioned here, the guns collected are usually cheap rust buckets kept in storage and never used -- for any purpose. Thus these weapons do not count much as a "supply" to criminals. Yet as tax payers, we are forced to waste money on this program which serves some politicians' PR interests.

Is the amount spent much? Probably not, and I rarely give these media events much thought, but it is a waste.
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 06:52 PM
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7. A guy buy-back?
Sure is cheaper than having to divorce him.
I could actually get something in exchange.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 06:52 PM
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8. When I clicked and first started reading I was really interested
what is a guy buy back?

then it all seemed so secretive...it dragged me in


then to read some more and your talking about guns!

LOL

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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 01:41 PM
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28. Ah, but we are wiley that way! (nt)
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NecklyTyler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 06:58 PM
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10. "Guy buy-back" LOL (obvious typo, but still funny)
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StarfarerBill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 06:59 PM
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11. Someone is selling guys? And someone else is buying them back?
Only in California, so they say...
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 08:00 PM
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12. Ah, the perils of not returning to your thread before the edit
period has run out, eh?
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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 09:45 PM
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16. Yep. The joke is on me. That's OK. I can laugh too when I do something like that. N/T
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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 08:06 PM
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13. I knew some cops that used to head off the nice guns at the entrance and buy them cheap so they ...
.... could re-sell them. Kinda defeats the purpose.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 02:13 PM
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18. Not if they are going to ...
legal, responsible users/collectors.

Somewhat unethical and possible abuse of office....
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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 12:32 AM
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24. Unethical cops. Now THERE'S a novelty.
:sarcasm:
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 12:20 PM
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25. Like any other group of Homo Sapiens...
They are, in the vast majority, good and honest people. (Much like firearms owners -shock!-.) The exceptions are however... rather sadly exceptional.
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Francis Marion Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 04:49 PM
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20. If this is a good idea, let's make it even better.
I understand that some (many?) of the participants had junk guns, or had no interest in learning to shoot or utilize the guns they turned in. That's their choice, and I respect it.

But let's expand the scope of the buybacks and thereby clarify their benefit to the community. If we expand a good program, we'll have a great program.

First Amendment buyback: For a $50 store coupon, Congress can send you to the church of their choice and choose your friends for you.

Third Amendment buyback: For a $250 store coupon, you can feed and house as many soldiers as your house can fit, all at your expense. May as well just hand the coupon to the senior officer.

Fourth Amendment buyback: For a $50 coupon, you can be detained and searched by the police at any time for any reason.

Fifth and Eighth Amendment buyback: For a $100 coupon, you'll be waterboarded at any time until you supply self-incriminating information in a police investigation. For an additional twenty pieces of silver, you can be spy on your friends.

Sixth amendment buyback: For a %50 store coupon, you lose your right to a jury trial and instead get 'trial by ordeal.'

Thirteenth Amendment buyback: For $50, you and your descendants can be forced to labor, can be sold and treated like farm animals.

Fourteenth Amendment buyback: For $50, you lose your citizenship and right to due process of law in dealings with government.

Sixteenth Amendment buyback: For a $50 coupon, you can avoid Federal income tax. (See, not all of these are bad ideas.)

Nineteenth Amendment buyback: For $50, (ladies only, please), you can lose your right to vote.

Step right up and get rid of that dangerous, troublesome Liberty, get as much of it out of your community as can be sold.











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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 12:22 PM
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26. Cool, I have neighbors that can use some cash... n/t
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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 05:08 PM
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21. Nominated for "Most interesting title in the gun sub-forum" award.
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oneshooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 06:31 PM
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22.  How can the city, county, state, "buy back" what they never owned or sold? n/t
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Katya Mullethov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 06:41 PM
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23.  mental conditioning ?
They are the wellspring of power . Which as every good commie is taught by rote and example , flows from the barrel of a gun .
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 01:44 PM
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29. Don't won't those single-shot guys, but their cheap! nt
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