Freeway shootings in Texas and California

[depakid]

Seems like a new twist on "step outside."

Fatal freeway shooting follows restaurant fight (3 shot)

A freeway shooting after a fight at an Antioch restaurant early Saturday left one man dead and two women wounded, police said. Antioch investigators said the incident started as a fight at Qin's Asian Bistro and Bar at 5007 Lone Tree Way shortly after the restaurant closed at 1 a.m.

Some of the people involved in the fight left the restaurant and were driving west on Highway 4 in two cars when a third vehicle pulled up alongside east of the Somersville Road exit and someone inside opened fire. People in the other cars also may have fired shots, officers said.

The two cars targeted in the shooting continued to Johnny B Sports Bar at 2500 Sycamore Drive, about 2 miles from Qin's, and pulled in at 1:23 a.m. just as Antioch police were conducting what they described as a routine check.

Read: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/01/10/BAT61BFVS5.DTL#ixzz0cFzu3EME

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4 wounded in Stemmons Freeway shooting after quarrel at Dallas night club

A freeway shooting following a disturbance in a night club left four victims with gunshot wounds early Sunday morning.

According to Dallas police reports, two groups left a local club after quarreling. About 4:30 a.m., occupants in one group's vehicle opened fire on the other as they drove on Stemmons Freeway, wounding four. The victims went to a Quick Stop at Royal Lane and Emerald Street, where police responded to a shooting call.

The victims were taken to Parkland Hospital, and no fatalities were reported among them. Police did not release details on their conditions and said that detectives are "working to develop suspect information."

More: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/011110dnmetstemmonsshooting.64ad9ae4.html

[X_Digger]

1. Re: the dallas one..

.. the two "groups" are members of two competing "social clubs" according to initial reports. According to CBS11, more than one minor was involved.

[east texas lib]

2. Can't comment on the California incident, but in Dallas if you run the streets late at night...

You're begging for trouble. These are amoung the meanest streets anywhere.

[sharesunited]

3. Guns settle grievances. A signficant reason they are beloved.

[Old Codger]

5. More D.S

[proteus_lives]

25. More nonsense from the DU authoritarian brigade.

[rd_kent]

45. Gotta love the emotional, unfactual, irrational and fearful response of the ignorant.

[Don Caballero]

4. Our gun culture run wild

When are we going to follow the lead of England and Australia and limit ownership of firearms to the police and military?

[Old Codger]

6. And more and more D.S's

[Don Caballero]

7. What is a D.S.?

Thanks in advance.

[oneshooter]

8. Dumb Shit?

[Don Caballero]

9. Real classy.

Just because someone disagrees with another they start the name calling. Shows how immature gun lovers truly are.

[oneshooter]

14. Read again!!!!

I only suggested one passable meaning. I myself do not know what the poster meant. Either learn to read punctuation properly, or give up reading entirely!

Oneshooter
Livin in Texas

[rd_kent]

48. Try arguing with facts instead. Ignorance like yours brings out the worst in all of us.

Especially when its willful ignorance.

[PavePusher]

35. Usually (in the legal firearms activity context) means...

Defensive Shooting.

Generally in respect to a lawful defensive use of a firearm.

[Tim01]

10. Are you in favor if limiting everything that can be used as a deadly weapon? nt

[Don Caballero]

13. Only guns

If we open it up to all deadly weapons it would be too difficult to disarm everyone. Guns are the true culprit of our insanely violent culture.

[Tim01]

15. No. Our violent culture is the cause of our violent culture.

Do you actually think limiting guns will cause people to be different?

[tburnsten]

17. wait... you mean guns are the culprit...

not glorification of gang culture/irreversible intertwining of gang culture with pop culture and less fathers involved in their childrens' lives? I personally believe that mothers are overrated, and that it takes a pretty extreme situation to make removal of a father from his childs' life anything but a tragedy.

[armueller2001]

19. Really?

What happened in Mexico, where only the police and military are legally armed? Pretty violent place, right?

[PavePusher]

36. In that context, Britians crime rate should have gone down 10 years ago.

Oops.

[eqfan592]

37. That seriously makes NO sense whatsoever (nt)

[Katya Mullethov]

42. Would a pair of Tomahawks be acceptable ?

They arent very big .

[east texas lib]

50. Hand held or sub launched? (nt)

:)

[Katya Mullethov]

51. Think about it

That was the whole idea . If all you give up is your deadly handgun , what will you be left with ?

[east texas lib]

52. I'd be left with my deadly rifles...

But having a rifle in my pants pocket makes it a pain to find my car keys, so I believe I'll just hang on to the ol' pistol. Please excuse my poor attempt at humor, as it was not meant in an adversarial way at all. I enjoy reading your posts. Keep it up!:D

[rd_kent]

47. More ignorant spew from you. Try being factual once in a while.

[pipoman]

11. Hey yea....what could possibly go wrong with that plan??

:think: :patriot: :scared:

[tburnsten]

16. Police and military there don't have any special ownership rights

or are you implying that somehow the police and miitary are under the same set of laws as everyone else here? Because that is way off base.

[beevul]

18. Wot?

"Our gun culture run wild"

Do you have any evidence of that, or are you making shit up?


"When are we going to follow the lead of England and Australia and limit ownership of firearms to the police and military?"


On or about the 12th of never.

[taurus145]

23. Never, unless those of your persuasion have their way

That would truly be a sad state of affairs.

[proteus_lives]

26. Never!

And that makes me (and the majority of Americans) very happy!

;-)

[OttavaKarhu]

31. When we want to see gun crime explode.

[rd_kent]

46. You are like a religious fundie that ignores facts and just repeats the lies.

Try thinking for yourself once in a while.

I love how your nonfactual, emotional and irrational talking points gets destroyed in one thread and then you go to another and repeat the same shit over and ever.

Do you enjoy looking ignorant?

[oneshooter]

12. Meanwhile in OZ

Trio in Taren Point armed robbery, car chase, carjacking
TWO men are on the run after an armed robbery, and a third is under police guard in hospital following a car chase in which a woman was injured.

Officers say two armed robbers held up a bowling alley in Taren Point, in southwest Sydney, about 10pm (AEDT) last night.

They fled the scene in a Volkswagen Golf driven by a third man and were spotted by police, who began a pursuit north, ending at Brodie Spark Drive, Wolli Creek.

The chase ended when the offenders' car crashed into another vehicle.

"A woman in that car suffered a broken arm and has been taken to hospital," a police spokesman said.

Two of the offenders fled on foot, but the third hijacked another car and, holding the driver at gunpoint, sped off again.

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/trio-in-taren-point-armed-robbery-car-chase-carjacking/story-e6frfku9-1225817937397




Cops nab three in middle of armed hold-up
THREE men have been charged after an armed hold-up of a hotel in Sydney's south-west.

About 9.15pm (AEDT) yesterday, three men - one armed with a machete and the other two with screwdrivers - entered a hotel on Cartwright Ave in Green Valley and threatened staff and swung the machete at customers.

One of the men tried to steal cash before assaulting a security guard and attempting to flee.

But police arrived at the hotel while the robbery was still in progress.

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/cops-nab-three-in-middle-of-armed-hold-up/story-e6frfku0-1225818014221

Just remember there is no crime, especially gun crime in OZ.

Oneshooter
Livin in Texas

[depakid]

20. What;s amusing is that these incidents you drag up barely even make local new

in the states!

and here they are in a national paper covering an entire continent.

[friendly_iconoclast]

21. A continent w/ fewer people than Texas or California

BTW, what's the anti-Indian violence like these days in Oz?

Like I said before:

"Life is all right in Aus-tra-li-a,
If you are white in Aus-tra-li-a!"

(with apologies to Messrs. Bernstein and Sondheim)

[depakid]

22. Ah, the white girl gone missing theme again!

What's amusing about that is a poster the other day actually used Australia's low homicide rate to "prove" that there must be an epidemic of hate crimes!

:rofl:

[tburnsten]

28. how'd they try to justify that little gem?

[friendly_iconoclast]

29. Found some more anti-Indian violence on Saturday

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8449731.stm

An Indian man is in a serious condition in a Melbourne hospital after being attacked and set alight by a gang.

It comes a week after an Indian graduate student was stabbed to death in the city, prompting a travel advisory from the Indian government.

Melbourne police said the latest attack appeared to be random and there was no evidence it was racially motivated.

But the attacks have prompted an angry reaction in India, where Australia has been accused of ignoring racism...

Never mind then, the plods assure us the attack "appeared to be random". Not that lessens the agony of the poor
bastard in the burn unit- or speaks any better of the 'fine society'.

[depakid]

33. errr... the forensic evidence is pointing to him lighting himself on fire

Not that it matters to some folks.

They need to find such outrage (it's like an addiction).

And- much like your own NRA etc., they don't care who they hurt in the process.

[Euromutt]

32. Again with the "entire continent" bollocks.

Australia may geographically be "an entire continent," but the population (~21.3 million) is smaller than that of the combined Benelux countries (~27.6 million), in spite of Australia having over 100 times the surface area.

I mean, the amount of violent crime rate has be awful compared to Antarctica's, and that's "an entire continent" almost twice the size of Australia! Of course, the permanent population is zero, and the non-permanent population is about 1,000, which is kind of my point: it's disingenuous to compare a country of less than 22 million to one of over 300 million, particularly considering the two states in which these incidents occurred both have larger populations than the "entire continent" of Australia.

[depakid]

34. Again with the nuttery

There's been more violent crime in suburban Portland, Oregon over the last several moths than all of Australia.

Much of it driven in local communities in the US by gun proliferation.

The more you stretch, the more absurd your cowardly obsession looks.

Tick tock 'til the next family murder, mass shooting, cop killing or workplace massacre, etc., etc.

(last time I wrote that- lo and behold one happened in the states as I was typing! yet- oops, didn't happen in Europe).

It'll be interesting to see if freeway shootings are your new 2010 trend.

[Euromutt]

39. Nice attempted red herring.

Getting abusive doesn't alter the fact that you have on more than one occasion referred to Australia as "an entire continent" in order to contrast it with mere sub-sections of the United States, in spite of the fact that it's an obviously invalid comparison (given that, say, the population of the Greater Los Angeles and San Diego Areas, at ~21 million, approaches that of Australia).

There's been more violent crime in suburban Portland, Oregon over the last several moths than all of Australia.

I strongly doubt that's true. You may have noticed more violent crimes reported in the Oregonian than in The Age or the Sydney Morning Herald, but I suspect editorial decisions play a part in that, and possibly confirmation bias on your part as well.

To illustrate, let's take a look at crime statistics for Australia and Oregon. The most recent figures available are for 2007, from Crime in Australia: Facts and Figures 2008 (http://www.aic.gov.au/documents/E/4/0/%7BE4031E6F-031D-415C-B544-8CE865A3CA0C%7Dfacts_and_figures_2008.pdf) and the Oregon State Police's 2007 Annual Report, Section 2 (http://www.oregon.gov/OSP/CJIS/docs/2007/SECTION_2_STATEWIDE_CRIMES_PERSONS_2007.pdf). There is the usual caveat that classifications of offenses may not be identical, so this is something of an approximation.

Homicide (murder and manslaughter):
Oregon - 104 (89 murder, 15 "negligent homicide")
Australia - 282 (253 murder, 29 manslaughter; source notes that this is "the lowest annual number yet recorded")

Assault:
Oregon - 29,608 (22,910 "simple," 6,698 aggravated)
Australia - 176,427

Sexual assault:
Oregon - 3,527
Australia - 19,781
(Note that this comparison is rather uncertain due to different methods of recording crimes; I have attempted to identify those offenses under Oregonian which meet the Australian definition of "sexual assault," namely "a physical assault of a sexual nature, directed toward a person who" does not consent, consents as a result of coercion, or is legally incapable of giving consent.)

Robbery:
Oregon - 2,911
Australia - 17,988

Kidnapping:
Oregon - 472
Australia - 730

Do you really think it's plausible that by 2009, the numbers in Australia had dropped so precipitously, the number in Oregon risen precipitously, or a combination of both, that there was really less violent crime in all of Australia than in greater Portland? Come off it.

Much of it driven in local communities in the US by gun proliferation.

Well now, there's a funny thing. Because if you look at the violent crime figures for Oregon from ten years previously (http://www.oregon.gov/OSP/CJIS/docs/1997/section_2_97.pdf), you'll see that they were higher across the board (except forcible rape, but only ~2% of rapes involve a firearm in the US), in spite of the fact that the population of Oregon has grown since, as has the number of firearms in private ownership (and of course, post-2004 you could get full-capacity magazines again).

It would seem your hypothesis doesn't hold water. Which is hardly surprising, given that it's founded on the notion that possession of a firearm causes people to commit violent acts that they would otherwise not even consider.

Tick tock 'til the next family murder, mass shooting, cop killing or workplace massacre, etc., etc.

(last time I wrote that- lo and behold one happened in the states as I was typing! yet- oops, didn't happen in Europe).

Really? I'm impressed. Did you read every single national and regional newspaper in Europe to establish that nobody murdered a police officer or several family members that day? Not in Italy, or Poland, or Bulgaria? You might be surprised how many shootings take place in Bulgaria. There was actually a gunfight in Plovdiv on Sunday night, when two "businessmen" got into an argument over a table in a nightclub, and their bodyguards (about ten on each side) started mixing it up. And a controversial TV/radio presenter, Bobi Tsankov, was murdered in broad daylight on a busy street in Sofia last Tuesday; two or three guys with 9mm pistols fired at least 15 rounds at him.

[GreenStormCloud]

24. It is almost an absolute certainty that the shooters have prior criminal records.

They are breaking the laws regarding shooting people, so it is a fair bet that they are already breaking the law on firearm possession.

How would taking my guns away from me help in the situations you have listed?

[proteus_lives]

27. Another meaningless post.

You and the grabber gang have yet to explain why all Americans should be stripped of their rights because of the actions of criminals.

[OttavaKarhu]

30. Echo echo echo echo here.

[slackmaster]

38. Gang-bangers shooting at each other

Who gives a flying fuck anyway?

Seriously, let them shoot the crap out of each other.

[east texas lib]

40. It is rather hard to give a shit about little wanna-be Al Capones...

Especially since they enjoy preying on the rest of us so much. The pricks put quite a few bullet holes in my mom's house (probably return fire from the dealers house across the street as they reacted to a drive by). Eventually her house was partially burned down to cover a burglary. Mom took the insurance check and bought a home in another neighborhood. No, I don't give a good Goddamn about gang-bangers.

[PavePusher]

43. Personally, I'd rather they didn't...

at least in crowded urban areas.

They have a regretable habit of hitting other peoples houses...

[Tejas]

41. The DU really needs a "police blotter" forum.

[taurus145]

44. Play Barry Manilow over loudspeakers in the parking lot

That'll calm them down.

[slackmaster]

49. Or Slim Whitman