Three dead after Fla. shooting rampage (two women, one deputy killed. pregnant teen injured)

[depakid]

A Florida deputy has died after being shot by a man suspected of killing two women and seriously wounding two others in a shooting rampage, police said. Dixie County Sheriff's Capt. Chad Reed, 33, was shot in the face by a suspect who slipped through a police dragnet following an incident at a home in suburban Brooksville, The St. Petersburg (Fla.) Times reported Friday.

Deputies used helicopters and ground units to pursue John Kalisz, 55, who they tracked to a gas station in Cross City. Police say Kalisz shot Reed before deputies could wound Kalisz. Kalisz was wanted in connection with the shooting deaths of two women and the wounding of two others Thursday. Police said one of the dead women, Kathryn Donovan, 61, was Kalisz's sister.

More: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2010/01/15/Three-dead-after-Fla-shooting-rampage/UPI-48651263578499/

Apparently, this guy went out target practicing with a buddy after the initial shootout with the deputies:

The 18-year-old shooting victim was two months pregnant, but she lost her unborn child Thursday night, Sheriff Richard Nugent said during a media conference. John Kalisz, 55, lay in a hospital bed Friday recovering from six gunshot wounds.

While in Dixie County the night before, a gunfight ensued between him and a group of deputies. He shot and killed Capt. Chad Reed, authorities said. "In my 37 years, it always seems the good guy succumbs to his injuries and the bad guy — and this is a bad guy — survives," Nugent said. "He should've died in that shootout," Nugent said.

Thursday afternoon at a house at 15303 Wilhelm Road in Brooksville, the suspect shot Kathryn Donovan, 61, three times; Deborah Buckley Tillotson, 59, four times; Amy Wilson, 31, two times; and Manessa Donovan, 18, up to five times, Nugent said. Kathryn Donovan and Tillotson were pronounced dead. Wilson and Donovan were airlifted to Tampa General Hospital.

Wilson spoke to deputies Friday at the hospital, the sheriff said. She said she was shot once in the backyard while trying to get away from Kalisz. She fell to the ground. He came up to her and didn't say a word while Wilson begged for her life, Nugent said. "He stood over her and fired point blank into her," the sheriff said.

In all, Kalisz reportedly fired at least 14 shots from his 9mm Baretta.

Nugent said one of the victims was in the house and the other three were outside when the killer showed up and opened fire shortly before 3 p.m. Thursday. Several details were not known due to the conditions of the two survivors. Wilson's memory "was a little off" as a result of the trauma, Nugent said.

A friend of Kalisz's arrived at the sheriff's station earlier in the day Friday and told detectives he was with him hours before the shooting. They were taking target practice in the dense woods near Lake Lindsey Road, Nugent said.

The friend reportedly had no idea Kalisz was getting ready for a shooting spree "He was sharpening his aim," Nugent said. "You can't ask for a more preliminary act."

More: http://www2.hernandotoday.com/content/2010/jan/15/pregnant-victim-lost-child-following-shooting-sher/

[Glassunion]

1. What is your point for posting this, exactly?

We can all read the news.

[sharesunited]

2. I understand the point. There was no guns-saved-the-day aspect to it.

The story makes one question why guns and ammo are allowed to proliferate in America.

[Glassunion]

3. Ok, but you missed my point.

What is the purpose of regurgitating the news into a discussion forum, without offering anything to discuss in the forum? There is no question or editorializing of the story. Just the story itself. I am trying to understand the reason (motive) for the original post.

[Glassunion]

6. A question to your statement?

In your opinion, who should and should not have firearms?

[sharesunited]

8. The existing system of criminal background checks is all well and good

if they can expand it to cover gun shows and flea markets.

Psychiatric exclusions are infinitely trickier because of the issue of medical privacy.

I maintain that ceasing the sale of new guns and ammo is the single best course of action.

Turn off the spigot of new product, and let the public's existing arsenal be transformed into collectibles.

Yes, this means that the price of guns and ammo will go up. They will become more precious. As a result, they will be acquired and used less capriciously.

[Glassunion]

11. I disagree.

Ambitious yet I fear quite impossible. Also I fear that it would have no effect on crime. Criminals, through criminal means will still be able to obtain firearms. They turned off the spigot of alcohol during prohibition and believe me, there was plenty of booze available.

[sharesunited]

12. The comparison to booze is not as apt as the comparison to kiddie porn.

Something for which a consensus can be formed regarding inherent danger and threat to innocents.

In other words, not just a form of personal fun as imbibing was justified by all those who disobeyed the Volsted Act.

[Glassunion]

13. Ok, now I totally disagree.

Are you saying that owning a firearm is the same as the exploitation, rape, molestation and abuse of a child?

If so I strongly stand by my original opinion:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=283361&mesg_id=283564

If you honestly believe that the 2nd ammendment is akin to kiddie porn, you have honestly made my day.

[sharesunited]

14. Possession of images is a felony. An offender does not need to have exploited / molested anyone.

The two reasons why the images themselves are regarded as inherently dangerous:

1. They stimulate a demand for further production which IS exploitative, and
2. They can be used to acclimate victims to their victimization.

The thing itself is harmful, and having it is prohibited.

You can argue whether the ban is successful, but its power as public policy cannot be denied.

[rd_kent]

18. Your attempt to change the subject and compare guns to something unrelated is a FAIL, as usual.

[rd_kent]

17. See the sophistry here? Your point was totally valid and for some reason kiddie porn is brought up

for what? why?

[sharesunited]

20. Only to contrast it with prohibition of alcohol.

Failure of the 18th Amendment experiment being so frequently cited as the reason why guns and ammo should be allowed to proliferate.

[rd_kent]

21. As usual, you have it backwards. Failure of prohibition is NOT a reason to ALLOW more guns

it is the reason PROHIBITING guns will FAIL. Add that to the fact that guns are a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT with their own CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT while alcohol does not share that.

So to recap, failure of alcohol prohibition is the REASON a gun ban would also FAIL.


FAIL, shares, FAIL. You are familiar with that term, right?


Of course you are.

[sharesunited]

22. And kiddie porn is NOT protected by the First Amendment.

So exceptions can comfortably be fashioned when the common good is involved.

[rd_kent]

23. I really dont know why you keep bringing up kiddie porn. Do we need to alert the cops about your

obsession with this subject?

[sharesunited]

25. You're reading my posts. Does it sound to you like I oppose that ban?

I'm pointing to it as the model for reducing danger from guns and ammo.

It is good to have public policy on the side of the general welfare.

That's good governance.

[rd_kent]

28. Your argument that banning guns for the good of general welfare has been shown to be false.

You are trying, and failing, to compare the Constitutional Right to own a gun to kiddie porn. There is no comparison and your obsession with kiddie porn is sickening. You need help.

[sharesunited]

36. Save kids from psychological injury while you leave them vulnerable to gunshot wounds.

That's apparently where YOU'RE at.

[rd_kent]

38. What the fuck are you talking about? You make no sense whatsoever....

seriously. What the fuck are you talking about?

[benEzra]

32. Which is why D.C. v. Heller upheld the restrictions on automatic weapons

and possession by criminals, but struck down the D.C. restrictions on the ownership of non-automatics by noncriminals.

Just because it is OK to ban child porn does not mean it would be OK to shut down DU or ban "subversive" books. No rights are absolute, but nor can they be arbitrarily infringed.

[rd_kent]

16. Glass, you are talking to a brick wall. Your entire post is 100% correct yet shares will ignore it.

[Glassunion]

37. Yes a brick wall...

a brick wall obsessed with kiddie porn...

[rd_kent]

15. No, shares, it doesnt make anyone question that. Only you pose that question.

and time and time again, you have your line of reasoning shot down (no pun intended) because it lacks merit and substance.

[Katya Mullethov]

5. Pointing out reoccurring patterns ?

We have had two of everything this last week or so . Two deputies shot in the same city , two gummers pullin drive bys , and not one but TWO genuine gungeon slayings in a row were quite the suprise .


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=282805&mesg_id=282979


This just in :
Generalissimo Franco
is still dead .

[Glassunion]

7. To your point of patterns.

As spin pointed out in a different post that there were over 14 million guns sold in America last year, I see a completly different pattern. I see an overwhelming pattern of responsible gun owners. In these clippings from the news that I see being posted here I see no other pattern but that of criminals exibiting criminal behavior.

Let me put it another way. Should we take cars away from everyone because by he end of the day today 115 people will be dead from a car accident. Just as the general public is too inept to responsibly own and operate firearms, we are even more inept in owning automobiles.

[branders seine]

4. If only that fetus had been armed,

it might have killed the creep and saved the day.

[Euromutt]

10. Oh, what a very fucking clever and above all ORIGINAL observation

Because, you know, nobody has ever posted that in every single fucking thread involving a gunshot victim under the age of ten before. What do you do for an encore? Regurgitate tha Chris Rock line about cranking the price of ammo to $5,000 a round, or just write "pass the salt" and post that asinine popcorn-eating smiley?

[eqfan592]

26. Well fucking said. (nt)

[rd_kent]

19. Your ass-hattery know no bounds, huh? Care to come back with a reply or was this a hit and run?

[branders seine]

24. ass-hattery?

that is no hat.


:cry:

[rd_kent]

27. As I suspected, you have nothing of substabce to add.

[branders seine]

29. my post

you add shit.

What do you want me to do now, piss on your shit? Okay. I guess I have.

If you disagree with me fine. This sophomoric challenge bullshit is a waste of time.

[rd_kent]

30. This...."If only that fetus had been armed"....is the only shit posted here. YOUR shit.

You are the one that took a shit here, not me.

[branders seine]

31. an armed society is a society full of gunshot victims.

as if you didn't know that's what my post meant.

[rd_kent]

33. Really? Are you including criminals in your "armed society"?

Because it is the criminals that are causing it, not people that own guns legally.

[branders seine]

34. some do some don't some are some aren't

Do you know that the person in the OP was a criminal who owned his gun illegally?

guns are not the answer

(unless of course the question is "what is the most efficient and readily available means for a defective fuckwad to kill the highest number of his fellow citizens before being subdued?"

[rd_kent]

35. The answer to what? And MOST guns are NOT used in a crime or in a way dangerous to anyone else.

So I still do not see what your issue is.

[eqfan592]

39. OR, if the question is....

.."What is the most effective means of a law abiding person to defend themselves and their families from those who have little care for their safety or the law?"

But, of course, you are not likely willing to admit this, as that would force you to actually examine your world view in a critical fashion. You'd rather keep vomiting out bull shit.

[branders seine]

41. me? admit a falsehood?

not likely.

[rd_kent]

42. Exactly. You are as disingenuous as they come. Congrats.

I know not to waste any more time talking to you in am attempt to have meaningful discussion.

[eqfan592]

43. Care you back up your assertion?

You say it's false. Prove it.

[beevul]

40. Is it really?

A society of 300 million people, in possession of 300 million guns, and yet there are some 15 thousandish firearm homicides.


15 thousand out of 300 million, is hardly "a society full of gunshot victims".


You may now continue with your "chicken little" impression.

[Euromutt]

9. Duplicate thread; thanks for playing

Unless the sheriff's department of Dixie County, FL lost two captains both named Chad Reed recently, this thread is a duplicate of this one: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x283361

It helps to actually skim the forum before posting.