GUNS IN THE NEWS--December 19, 2003

[MrBenchley]

As CO Liberal sez:
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[MrBenchley]

1. Fatal Shooting Is City's 70th Murder (OH)

"Another murder in Cincinnati Thursday night was the city's 70th.
According to police, Isaac Newbill, 23, was shot to death near the intersection of Charlotte and John streets in the west end, WLWT Eyewitness News 5 reported.
Investigators said they have no suspects.
Cincinnati hasn't had 70 murders since 1977. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20031219/lo_wlwt/1926358

[RoeBear]

3. Proof the AWB needs to be extended?

Or proof that Bush's economy sucks?

Your choice.

[MrBenchley]

2. Whataburger Beefs Up Security After Robberies

"Whataburger officials announced Thursday that they will beef up security after two of their Houston-area locations were robbed recently.
Police said two men walked into a crowded Whataburger restaurant at 3797 Southwest Freeway near Weslayan around 7 p.m. Wednesday, demanding money and keys from customers and employees.
"I knew immediately (what was about to happen) ... the way they came in ... they were already hiding their face," customer Mario Cruz said. "One pulled out a pistol and the other pulled out a 12 gauge shotgun." "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=320&ncid=320&e=2&u=/ibsys/20031219/lo_kprc/1924800

[MrBenchley]

4. Jury convicts Malvo in sniper shootings

"CHESAPEAKE, Va. - Rejecting the defense claim that Lee Boyd Malvo was insane after a former Army soldier transformed him into a dispassionate killer, a jury convicted the teen-ager of capital murder yesterday in connection with last fall's sniper assaults that left 10 dead in the Washington area and millions living in fear.
Jurors deliberated about 13 hours over two days before emerging - some red-eyed - for the reading of their decision to convict Malvo, 18, of two counts of capital murder. Although the charges related to the fatal shooting of Linda Franklin, 47, an FBI analyst who was killed outside a Home Depot store near Falls Church on Oct. 14, 2002, prosecutors had introduced evidence during the trial of 10 other murders they believe Malvo committed in the Washington area and elsewhere.
Malvo, his arms folded in front of him on the defense table, slumped slightly but remained stone-faced as the verdict was announced in the hushed courtroom. The convictions make him eligible for the death penalty - the sentence a jury recommended last month for co-defendant John Allen Muhammad."

http://www.sunspot.net/news/yahoo/bal-te.md.malvo19dec19,0,726715.story?coll=bal-newsaol-headlines

Now the fight for justice shifts to Congress , where the Republicans and the corrupt gun industry are trying to shield the Bullseye gun shop from liability for arming the Beltway Sniper, Burford Furrow, etc. You may have noted that when the head of ATF resigned a short while ago he specifically singled out AshKKKroft's foot-dragging on criminal chages in that case.

[CO Liberal]

5. NRA Names Malvo "Man Of The Year"

Winner of the "Timothy McVeigh Memorial Award" for exemplifying what guns can do.

:-)

[slackmaster]

6. Pardon me if I can't see the humor in that remark, CO

I would bet that NRA members are at least as horrified as anyone else at what Malvo did. As a supporter of gun owner's rights myself, if I was not opposed to the death penalty I'd be screaming for the two DC "snipers" to be executed promptly in public. A good old fashioned hanging in the town square of old Williamsburg would be too good for them.

Edited for sp3ling.

[CO Liberal]

7. It Wouldn't Surprise Me.....

...if the NRA DID do something like that - any organization that has an asshole like Ted Nugent in a leadership position could do just about anything.

[RoeBear]

9. No, CO, that is sick ...

...and beneath you.

[CO Liberal]

10. I Consider Many Actions of the NRA To Be Sick.....

....and beneath contempt.

[RoeBear]

12. I'm aware of your contempt for the NRA...

...and that's fine. But this was over the top.

[CO Liberal]

14. If That's How You Feel.....

...be my guest and hit the "Alert" button. I'll abide by the moderators' decision

[MrBenchley]

15. Always instructive to see

who the RKBA crowd tries to defend, isn't it? And somehow it never seems to be a Democrat....

[demsrule4life]

16. Read post # 8

isnt she a repug?

[CO Liberal]

32. Post #8 Didn't Defend Anything

It attacked a woman who is trying to help prevent other families going through what her family has endured for the past 22 years.

[MrBenchley]

33. That would be the same woman

who heds a PAC that gave 100% of its money to Democrats the past two election cycles.

As Iverglas noted, the same Democrats who got money from the Brady Center also got money from Planned Parenthood and the League for Conservation Voters.

Whereas the turds the NRA gave money to tended also to get money from anti-abortion groups and polluters.

[slackmaster]

37. I do not believe that statement is correct

...PAC that gave 100% of its money to Democrats the past two election cycles.

Cite please.

[CO Liberal]

39. Even If It's Not Completely Accurate......

....it's a safe bet that her PAC supported more Democrats (as a percentage) than the NRA's did.

[MrBenchley]

41. In fact it IS completely accurate...

as a look at Opensecrets.org shows...in 2002 and againn so far in 2004, 100% of all gun control contributions have gone to Democrats.

In fact, if one goes back to 1992, 94% of all gun control contributions have gone to Democrats.

http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.asp?Ind=Q12

Of the top twenty recipients of gun money, only two are Democrats and they're both obscure goobers, one of whom is a Zell Miller-type DINO.

""The Republicans have done a wonderful job of saying (Democrats) are going to take our guns and kill unborn babies and keep prayer out of schools. I will not be out-gunned, out-prayed or out-daddied by anyone," he said in a speech in Huntsville, Tenn. during his campaign."

http://www.house.gov/lincolndavis/articlejanuary12.htm

There's a real plus for the party...somebody who's even more of a right wing nutcase than most Repukes.

[slackmaster]

42. Playing games with numbers is fun

I'll bet the NRA gave more money to Democrats than her PAC did.

:D

[CO Liberal]

43. However...

....they donated the majority of their cash to Republicans - right?

[slackmaster]

44. Obviously so

I would be nice if Democrats could get a piece of that.

[CO Liberal]

45. It Would Be Better......

....to work our Democratic asses off geting as many Dems elected next Novemeber as possible. At all levels. The NRA will shit a brick if it turns out that all their contributions didn't pay off, and they wound up on the outside looking in.

[slackmaster]

22. Nobody is "definding" anything or anyone here

People are CRITICIZING CO Liberal's remarks for being in poor taste.

At least that was MY intent when I started the sub-thread.

[SmokingLoon]

40. Just because something is not against the rules...

doesn't mean that it isn't wrong. I found your post to be revolting. I was hoping I'd find better than that on this site.

[RoeBear]

47. Sorry, I'm not into...

...childish games.

I grew out of tattleing to the 'teacher' in 3rd grade.

[madddog]

19. would you call Ted...

an asshole to his face? Just curious.....

[CO Liberal]

25. Yes, I Would

As long as I was sure he didn't have a gun on him.

As far as I'm concerned ,Ted Nugent is an untalented, bigoted, useless turd of a human being who should have faded into obscurity years ago.

[demsrule4life]

27. And he would fade into obscurity

if you would quit bringing him up.

[MrBenchley]

29. Really, dems?

When did he resign from the NRA board?

[CO Liberal]

30. No, He Won't

Not as long as a core group if brain-dead gun worshippers revere him as some sort of ballistic patron saint.

[demsrule4life]

31. Don't matter to me since I'am not a member of the NRA

or have ever spent a cent on his music.

[CO Liberal]

36. Two Things We Have In Common, Dems

:-)

[MrBenchley]

34. It's really hilarious...

the fault isn't with poor Ted for being yet another racist piece of shit on the NRA board; the fault is with us for mentioning that Ted is yet another racist piece of shit on the NRA board.

Yeah, surrrrrrrrrre...

[demsrule4life]

8. Sarah Bradys man of the year

Gary Ridgeway for killing 48 women without using a gun. All 48 women thank people like Sara Brady for making sure they were unarmed.

[RoeBear]

13. And this wasn't any better...

...than CO's comments on the NRA.

I know this isn't the high road, but we could all try.

[slackmaster]

21. Maybe we could all agree on something here

Lee Boyd Malvo would make a good poster boy for NAMBLA.

:evilgrin:

[CO Liberal]

26. There's No Proof He Participated in That Type of Activity

There IS proof, however, that he used a gun.

[slackmaster]

28. What type of activity are you referring to?

Go read NAMBLA's Web site some time. They try to legitimize themselves by going on about Platonic relationships between men and boys, where the man acts as a mentor.

We know what their real agenda is, of course, but...

...Hey, according to BenchleyLogic(TM) by disagreeing with me you are defending NAMBLA.

:freak:

[MrBenchley]

11. Yup...

They want to change tort law to protect the criminals who gave this madman (and others!) a gun.

[slackmaster]

18. Nonsense

MrBenchley is blowing smoke. Nobody has proposed giving immunity to anyone for their own criminal actions.

[madddog]

20. you know that's not true...

the manufacturers (Bushmaster) weren't the ones who "gave" the weapon in question to M&M...this law would not shield Bullseye guns from any civil lawsuits. Of course, heaven forbid anyone would think about suing the 2 yahoos that actually DID this...or the ATF for being negligent.

[madddog]

23. normally

I'd have to respond...but I can't...I'm meeting 2 other CCW holders to go see LOTR:ROTK now...just think of it...at least 3 people in the theater will be armed...just in case one of Sauron's minions leaps off screen and tries to commit mayhem lol. Wish us luck!

[MrSandman]

52. Easy way to put them out of business...

Convince them to give law-abiding citizens each an AR-15. Don't say they didn't give it away now.

[MrBenchley]

17. Charges filed in case of scattered gunfire (NC)

"Before dawn Thursday, one business, three homes and four cars in Hickory, Conover and Catawba County were peppered with .22-caliber gunfire.
A 20-year-old Claremont man and a 17-year-old from Conover were charged Thursday in connection with three of the shootings, and authorities said they're investigating whether the two are responsible for the others -- although authorities were still trying to figure out what the motive might have been."

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/news/7527482.htm

The spirit of the wilderness descending?

[MrBenchley]

24. One Shot In Jewelry Store Robbery, Police Say (FL)

"One person was shot today when a group of robbers hit a Coral Gables jewelry store, police say.
Two to three armed robbers who were wearing hoods entered the Riviera Jewelry store at 369 Miracle Mile around noon and shot one person in the leg, according to investigators. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20031219/lo_wplg/1926878

[MrBenchley]

35. Thousands of students sent home in Ohio sniper shooting scare

"COLUMBUS, Ohio (AFP) - Ohio authorities shuttered 34 schools and ordered 20,000 schoolchildren to stay home in the latest fallout from a a string of sniper shootings that has terrorised a suburb of this Midwestern town.
The education chief for Ohio's sixth largest school district cancelled classes for a second consecutive day following the discovery that two school buses had been struck by bullets in a zone where a sniper has been operating.
Investigators have not been able to conclusively link the bus shootings to a string of 16 other, apparently random, shootings that have left one person dead and set this area on edge. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20031219/ts_alt_afp/us_shooting_031219174206

Oh yeah, this is DEFINITELY the weekend for a dozen loonies to strap on guns and waddle around in public at an upscale shopping center. Praise Jeebus!

[slackmaster]

38. How many shootings happened at that shopping center?

None.

[MrBenchley]

46. Harrisburg Man Shot In Back

"A city spokesman said Kevin Hamp, 34, of Harrisburg, was shot twice in the back as he was entering the Penn-Central Taxi Co. on Evergreen Street around 3:15 a.m. Friday.
The spokesman said Hamp had been at the cab company about 15 minutes earlier, requesting a cab, but was told none were available. Employees at the company told police two men came into the company, looking for Hamp. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20031219/lo_wgal/1926998

[MrBenchley]

48. Police Seek Indianapolis Man After Fatal Shooting

"Police were looking for an Indianapolis man after a 26-year-old was fatally shot in a car on the city's east side Thursday.
Investigators believe Keith Medaris, 35, was involved in the shooting of Wilbert Smith.
Smith was shot while sitting in the front seat of a car around 9 p.m. in the 3500 block of Audubon Road, police said. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20031220/lo_wrtv/1927599

[CShine]

49. Man shoots elderly woman in Lilburn home invasion

An elderly Lilburn woman was killed this morning in what police are describing as a home invasion robbery.

Police are searching for the suspect who shot through a window of the home and struck Chum Luong, 75, in the chest. She was taken to Gwinnett Medical Center where she died, police said.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/gwinnett/1203/19invasion.html

[CShine]

50. Masked robbers terrorizing north side restaurants

A group of masked robbers terrorizing north Houston taquerias are merciless in their quest for cash, robbery investigators said Friday.

Armed with shotguns, pistols and knives, the robbers have beaten, shot at and stabbed even cooperative victims. Since Oct. 30, the group has stormed nine taquerias and a Denny's. The number of attacks is escalating, police say, with seven such heists occurring in the last two weeks alone.

"They are being very brutal," said investigator Roger Chappell. "They are injuring people inside these restaurants. Whether (the victims) are complying or not makes no difference. Unfortunately, we haven't had a lot of witnesses stay around that could give us information."

Police are advising restaurant operators to keep surveillance cameras in good condition and to be cautious of anyone lurking outside, especially groups of people in a car.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/2309335

[CShine]

51. Three dead in apparent apartment break-in

DALLAS -- Three people -- a man and two women -- were found shot dead in after an apparent home invasion at a southwest Dallas apartment complex early today, police said.

Police were called to a reported shooting about 12:30 a.m. at the Bella Vista Apartments in the Redbird area, about 10 miles southwest of downtown Dallas.

A lighted Christmas tree still glowed in the front window of the apartment when police arrived.

The front door of the apartment apparently had been kicked in and the victims had been shot multiple times, apparently with a pistol and rifle, said Sgt. Ken Sprecher, a police spokesman

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/2308503