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the_acid_one Donating Member (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 07:42 PM
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Just back from working the Gun Show.
Well, I just got back from working a Gun show in Nashville, TN. I was helping out at the "Friends of the NRA" table, selling raffle tickets to win a .50 BMG Barret rifle.

While I was there, I noticed several disturbing things. Disturbing things indeed.....

First off, was the blatant atmosphere of niceness. Dealers were polite, customers were polite, pretty much everyone knew everyone, and everyone had a good time. There was such a spirit of fellowship all throughout the center, that it should be illegal to be that nice to strangers.

Secondly, being that I had been informed that gun shows were rife with anti-government hate monger types, and every other booth peddles nazi or KKK pamphlets or memorabilia, I was disgusted to find that not a single booth had any kind of KKK endorsed Hate Literature. Or even so much as a Nazi arm-band, there wasnt even a picture of Adolf Hitler anywhere to be found. As you can imagine, i was quite surprised.


Thirdly, every dealer there had the gall to not only request, but demand that prospective buyers fill out all kinds of legal forms and undergo background checks. I had been led to believe that I could buy a machine gun or bazooka without paperwork. Obviously the anti-gun crowd has led me astray yet again.

Forthly, there were BLACK people there. Imagine my horror, when I realized that not only was there not a single Ku Klux Klan member protesting this obvious breach of security, but, in fact, the intruders were being treated courteously like everyone else.

Fifth, I met the director of the Local Second Ammendment Sisters chapter. Much to my chargain, rather then breathing fire and screaming vulgarities as anti-gunner wisdom had led me to expect, she was actually nice. She even had the audacity to politely request that I come to one of their local events, or even join them.

I did find out that the SAS are planning to have a small rally in Mothers Day in Washington DC. No doubt, their intentions are to gun down MMM members in cold blood. Or maybe just exercise their First Ammendmant rights to protect their Second Ammendment rights. I for one, will be there to protest their presense, as the First Ammendmant is obviously for members of government funded press members only.

I was also disappointed when the director did not lecture me on the evils of white women dating black men, or even encourage me to write threatening letters to famous black men. I had surely expected this to happen after a paticularly long "Guns In the News" thread informed me of the evils of the Second Ammendment Sisters and their tendency to spread fear and hatred wherever they go by mailing death threats.

Unfortunettly the anti's who told me this could not produce evidence to support it. But they assured me that they were right anyways so I didnt have to worry about proof.


Sixth, I'm sure my fellow DU'ers will be disgusted to hear that a multitude of assault weapons were on display, racks and racks of baby killing guns scattered all throughout the room. Along with literally thousands of ultra-mega-high-capacity ammunition cop-killer bullet-spraying clip-stocks. For anyone to purchase.

Fear not, however, as no real assault weapons were sold despite their presence. As the authors of the 1994 ban had the foresight to make sure that post-ban versions are available at a fraction of the cost, and in fact are hot sellers.

However, due to an unfortunette loophole in the otherwise well thought out ban, you can buy assault weapon conversion kits at almost any gun-show that will turn your Post-Ban Friendship Rifle into a real assault weapon.

In fact, I saw several of these kits on display, they consisted of of duct-tape and a ginsu knife. Hopefully, the new ban will have the foresight to make it illegal to possess a rifle, duct tape, and kitchen knives at the same time to prevent these kinds of conversions from happening.

And finally, Despite the presence of hundreds of assault weapons, thousands of high capacity magazines, and hundreds of thousands of rounds of ammunition, not one single murder took place. I, as so many others, took this as proof that guns undoubtedly cause crime.

Imagine my shock at finding that in a room with 50 guns or more for every man woman and child present, not one shot was fired in anger. Obviously, this kind of safety is unacceptable. This is in sharp contrast to Washington DC, where guns are wisely banned, and the resulting murder rate is much more acceptable then at your average gun show.

Unfortunettly, I had to leave before the end of the show, but I'm sure that had I stayed till the end, there undoubtedly would have been a class on how to shoot passenger jets right out of the sky with your .50 BMG rifle. The anti's assure me that it is possible.
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PackedForPerth Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 07:45 PM
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1. huh?
And your point is? :)
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rudeboy666 Donating Member (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 07:50 PM
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2. too much time in your hands?
:-)

By the way, not all gun aficionados are racist or reactionaey.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 07:55 PM
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 07:51 PM
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3. Owning guns is OK by me
Gun advocates tend to irk me.

This post is an example. Anything useful could have been said in about a quarter of the space, with much less strident inflamatory language.

We at DU don't hate you. Really.
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DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 08:12 PM
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7. Thie post in question is nothing compared to....
...the crap blown out by some of the anti-gun nuts we have seen on this list. I think the original post on this thread could safely be called satire. It was also mildly humorous.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 07:54 PM
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4. Someone seems to be making a lot of assumptions about DU...
...and as gun owner myself, I find it amusing when a person posts a message that tends to paint everyone in our party as being rabid anti-gun advocates just frothing at the mouth to take away everyone's guns.
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the_acid_one Donating Member (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 08:09 PM
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6. If by "assumptions" you mean "factually based exagerations"
Edited on Sun Dec-21-03 08:11 PM by the_acid_one
...then you win! If by "assumptions" you mean I never read the posts down here and just made it all up on the fly to:

Quote
]...paint everyone in our party as being rabid anti-gun advocates....

Then you...dont win.


However, if by "everyone" you mean just someones. Then, you win again!
Surf the Gungeon a while, pretty much everything I've said is based off things that others have said. I didnt just pull it all out of my ass.
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DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 08:14 PM
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9. lv...you've seen some of the posts...
...by certain segments of our esteamed gathering. I agree, the post may have been written a little to broadly, but it was obviously written satirically. In my opinion it was far more tolerant in tone thtn the threads it was written in answer to.
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demsrule4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 08:14 PM
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8. Glad you had an enjoyable day
I wanted to attend that show (my first) but got stuck working.
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the_acid_one Donating Member (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 08:20 PM
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10. Are you in the area dems?
They have this show fairly often. I believe they're having it again next month. They also have the Bill Goodman show in the area pretty often, but it's not as good.

If you're in the area, maybe I'll see you there

:toast:
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souphound Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 08:26 PM
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11. I have attended many gun shows
My experience has always been similar to yours.
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Redneck Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 09:47 PM
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12. Funny stuff.
I'm absolutely shocked, shocked I say, that anyone could have a good time at a gun show. Simply amazing. However it sounds just like every gun show that I have ever attended.
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drb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 09:54 PM
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13. Well, the gun owners amongst us will have a decided advantage....
...when Ashkroft's jack-booted thugs kick in every Democrat's front door sometime around the end of January 2005 and haul their assets off to Guantanamo as "enemy combatants!"

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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 10:51 PM
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14. And Your Post......
...is supposed to make all of us who choose NOT to own guns decide to go out tomorrow and arm ouorselves to the teeth? Guess what, Bucko? It didn't work......
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SmokingLoon Donating Member (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 11:49 AM
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22. Hey, Bucko...
Did you read the post? His post was satire, aimed at misinformed antis. It is very obvious, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, since your post was done late at night. You should go back and read it again, as he never said that non-gunnies should go out and "arm (them)selves to the teeth..."
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 12:39 PM
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23. Yes, I DID Read The Post.....
....and felt it was definitely NOT satire. I've been posting here long enough to recignize satire when I see it.
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SmokingLoon Donating Member (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 01:01 PM
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24. Then what do you think it is?
Obviously, it is poking fun at narrow-minded people who think that gunshows are criminal filled, nazi fests filled with racists.
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Wonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 02:40 AM
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17. Just like the well armed Iraqi militias were safer because of theirs, eh?
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hijinks Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 05:58 PM
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21. They seem to be working pretty good now don't they n/t
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hansberrym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 11:52 PM
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15. Please provide proof that you are a member of the Institutionalized Press
Cease and desist further postings until sufficient evidence is supplied in writing along with digital photograph and thumb print. Send with self addressed stamped envelope to:


The Honorable Judge Stevens
Supreme Commandant
Office of Homeland Security
Institutional Press Division
Records and Permits department
Washington DC 20510


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alwynsw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 01:14 AM
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16. I've attended many gun shows
And my experiences have matched your description above. The shows have given me many enjoyable and educational days.

I was going to drive down for the show but circumstances dictated otherwise.

Glad you had a good, and I hope, profitable, weekend.
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 03:25 PM
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18. I Think It's Significant.....
...than many gun shows not post rules specifically banning Nazi items. Now why do you think they had to make a rule like that, hmmmmmmm??

It's good to see that many gun shows are cleaning up their acts. But unitl all of them do, many people in our society will look upon them with disdain.
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Superfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 03:30 PM
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19. And many people will look upon those
who look upon gun shows with disdain, with disdain.

So the hell what?

"many people in our society will look upon them with disdain."

---Stop the presses everybody! We have got to stop having gun shows because some people are looking at us with disdain! *GASP*
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the_acid_one Donating Member (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 04:51 PM
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20. CO...
...this is typical of every gun show I've been to. Admittedly only a few. But I've never seen anything really alarming.


I think most people are prone to generalize gun shows as being hateful places, when in fact, this is really far from true.

There may be a few gun shows somewhere that have hate monger types. But I've never seen anything blatantly racist or anti-government at gun shows.

Sometimes you'll see some "gangsta" types gathered around a tec-9 or the like. But every dealer I know will make background checks, and refuse to sell if they get a bad vibe. (I.E. Homie walks up with his girlfriend..Homie looks at tec-9 longingly...Homie and girlfriend walk away....Girlfriend comes back 10 minutes later with fistfull of cash and wants to buy tec-9)
Most dealers can smell a "straw purchase" a mile away, and want none of it. It's not worth ruining your livelihood, and possible jail time, to make a sale on a $300 junk gun.

I dont think it matters how much "gun shows" clean up their acts. They're pretty much always going to be maligned just for being gun shows
They're pretty much a place for hunters and collectors,or people looking for a good deal.

Heck, this is tennessee, and I dont even recall seeing so much as a confederate flag anywhere.


The sterotype about gunshows being peopled with a lot of redneck hunter types is true.The sterotype about them being peopled with neo-nazi's and KKK typpes, is greatly exagerated.
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Property Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 02:06 PM
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26. "CO..."
Never been to a gun show myself.

Loved your orig. post, though. Cute. :)
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SmokingLoon Donating Member (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 01:02 PM
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25. What is your gunshow experience, Coliberal?
Could you please tell us the dates, places, and promoters?
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Emoto Donating Member (914 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 01:19 AM
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27. Don't expect any...
I went through a similar line of questioning some time back before and after attending my first gun show. It turns out that those (here) who talk trash about gun shows, do so without any firsthand experience. Unfortunately, they "learn" all they "know" from anti-gun oranizations. It is as effective a means of learning the truth as asking the kkk about black people...
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 09:52 PM
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28. I Wouldn't Waste My Time....
...setting foot in a gun show. I've seen more than my share of John Birch Society literature in my lifetime. And If I want to see stuff about Nazis, there's always the History Channel.....
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the_acid_one Donating Member (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 10:40 PM
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29. Flabbergasted....
...I dont know what to say.

Never been to one, but very quick to say they need to "clean up their act".

I've never seen KKK or Nazi stuff at any gun show, and I live in Tennessee...home of the KKK.

I guess for gun shows to "clean up their act" they'd have to ohh...i dunno....quit being about guns??

Seriously....thats the most ignorant statement I've ever heard you make CO.

I guess it's wrong to make uninformed, outrageously biggoted statements without first hand experiance. Unless that statement is about gun owners.
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 10:52 PM
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30. I Don't Have to Go Down Into a Sewer.....
...to know that it's full of shit.
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the_acid_one Donating Member (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 11:20 PM
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31. I dont have to sail off the edge of the world...
Edited on Sun Dec-28-03 11:23 PM by the_acid_one
...to know that it's flat.


I dont have to meet a polish person...

....to know that they're all stupid.



I dont have to talk to any mexicans...

...to know that they're all illegal immigrants



I dont have to meet someone on welfare...

...to know that they're all lazy drug addicted african american women who just have babies to get money.


I dont have to meet an islamic person....

to know that they're all terrorists.


Seriously...exageration works both ways. How much can you really know about something without even so much as seeing it?

Your sterotyping of gun owners is no smarter or better then any other statement by any other person who engages in sterotyping.

Hold onto your pants, you're dangerously close to showing your ass.
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SmokingLoon Donating Member (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 02:42 PM
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32. It would seem
that one would not need facts to form an opinion.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 03:38 PM
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33. You haven't missed a damn thing....
Edited on Mon Dec-29-03 03:39 PM by MrBenchley
take it from somebody who's been to them...

It's Rush Limbaugh's inbred ignorant audience with their inhibitions dropped...
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 04:14 PM
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demsrule4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 04:30 PM
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35. Bet he drove by it
real slow and ended up causing a traffic jam.
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Superfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 04:33 PM
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37. And then he blamed the corrupt car industry
for selling him a dangerous product that is the scourge of decent, civilized society.
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 04:33 PM
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36. You May Have Been To SOME Gun Shows......
...but you obviously haven't been to ALL of them. And I'd guess that more than a fair share of the gun shows held in the US every year feature Nazi memorabilia, JOhn Birch Society booths, and all sorts of hate literature.
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Superfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 04:34 PM
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38. How would you know
if you haven't been to ANY?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 05:04 PM
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the_acid_one Donating Member (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 11:18 PM
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41. To counter all the threads...
....that spread the real propoganda.
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 11:13 AM
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44. Perhaps I'm Speaking The Truth......
...and YOURS is the propaganda.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 11:21 AM
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45. Astonishing, isn't it?
Here's racist right wing loony John Trochmann's speaking schedule this year...notice he's welcome at pretty much every gun show out west...

http://www.militiaofmontana.com/Gun%20Show%20Schedue-bakl.htm#GUN%20SHOW%20SCHEDULE

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demsrule4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 11:32 AM
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48. Yep just about every gun show out west (nfm)
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the_acid_one Donating Member (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 04:18 PM
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54. Bench....
Edited on Tue Dec-30-03 05:17 PM by the_acid_one
..you often assert that all NRA members are "racist rightwing loonies" or "the only people who go to gun shows is rush limbaughs inbred audience".

With so many broad brush accusations, I'm starting to wonder if there's anyone who owns a gun who isnt a "racist rightwing loonie"


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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 05:29 PM
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55. Ask John Trochmann
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the_acid_one Donating Member (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 08:34 PM
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56. Dont know who he is...
...and you're right here. I'm asking you. Is it possible to own a gun and not be a racist/redneck/fetishist/loonie/freeper?

You're so quick to point fingers and hint that everyone who disagrees with you is a racist/redneck/fetishist/loonie/freeper I figured you must be an expert.

Be Burtal, Baby, Hurt me. I own guns, does this mean I am a "bad" person?
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 08:53 PM
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57. Trochmann's a racist right wing loony
Of the sort that commonly spouts that bogus "gun rights" horseshit. And he makes personal appearances at gun shows. You responded to a thread about him and now you want to pretend you don't know who he is.

"Is it possible to own a gun and not be a racist/redneck/fetishist/loonie/freeper?"
Gee, who was that pimping for the Freepers here just last week?

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the_acid_one Donating Member (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 08:57 PM
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58. Yeh i'm pretending...exactly.
You caught me, you clever little demon you.

Or not. I dont know who he is, I've never heard of him. My intial response had nothing to do with him, only with you.

Gee, who was that pimping for the Freepers here just last week?


Gee, who was that who can almost never give a simple answer?

You must have been pretty good at dodgeball in school, huh?
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 09:28 PM
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59. Yeah, and you got busted at it again
Going to note again here that anyone can find lots of gun owners forums all over the web, and plenty of far right wing and openly racist statements all over those forums.

But despite the claims by the RKBA crowd that there are lots of rootin' tootin' gun totin' liberals around, there's NEVER a cross word said on those forums in response to that crap.

And YOU were the one pimping for the freeper skanks calling themselves the SAS last week. And you're weelcome to their scummy company.

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the_acid_one Donating Member (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 10:34 PM
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60. Busted for not knowing who john whatever his name was...
Edited on Tue Dec-30-03 10:38 PM by the_acid_one
...oh no!

But despite the claims by the RKBA crowd that there are lots of rootin' tootin' gun totin' liberals around, there's NEVER a cross word said on those forums in response to that crap.

How many gun forums do you frequent, Bench? ;)




And YOU were the one pimping for the freeper skanks calling themselves the SAS last week. And you're weelcome to their scummy company.


Damn right, I'd do it again to.

Given the choice between a admitted Freeper who is courteous and polite, or a DUer who is childish and engages in sterotyping and broadbrush painting as well as petty namecalling.

Well hey...at least the Freepers will defend their positions rather then dodging even the simpleist question. I can respect that.
;)


BTW, I've stood up for homosexuals, and being pro-choice on gun forums, just like I'll stand up for being pro-gun on this forum.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-03 08:05 AM
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61. Like I said....busted.
Last time I put up that statement we got lots of lying and sniveling from the RKBA crowd, but not a single example of any liberal or anti-racist sentiment expressed on any gun forum anywhere.

Wonder why (hahahahahahaha)?

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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-03 10:32 AM
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62. Depends on how one defines "gun forum"
If one defines "gun forum" as a discussion in which one never sees "liberal or anti-racist sentiment" then you have a nice tautology.

I suppose THIS FORUM, RIGHT HERE where gun-related issues are discussed constantly doesn't count.

:eyes:
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Superfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 11:24 AM
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46. I see you stopped short of calling him a Nazi...
you're making progress!
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 11:31 AM
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47. Nobody Called ANYONE a Nazi, Superfly
Edited on Tue Dec-30-03 11:32 AM by CO Liberal
I was simply referring to the old method the Nazis used to confuse truth and lies. Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and other do it nowadays on a daily basis.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 11:44 AM
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50. Some still use it
Wonder where the charming folks who actually DO wear swastikas these days hang out?

"The heart of the National Alliance is its dedicated members, many of whom conduct activities of their own to promote the organization.
One such activist is Will Williams, the state coordinator for South Carolina. In the last two years, Williams with other local NA members has set up tables at over 25 gun and military shows in North Carolina and contiguous states.
Here is how Williams describes his gun show setup:
"One 8 foot table is plenty; two if tables are 6 foot long. We set up two 8 foot wide banners - one draped over the front of the table, and one behind us. These banners, of course, display the Life Rune, symbol of the National Alliance. We cover the display table with a blood red felt table cloth. Usually, 2-8 NA members, who must present a good appearance and bear themselves professionally, staff the display, most often taking turns over a 2-3 day period.
"We sell National Vanguard Books items only and place books and tapes on the table to catch people's attention. Of course, the banners have usually already done that. NVB sells us the tapes and books at a 45% discount because we buy in lots of 100 or more. We sell them at the retail rate. This helps us to break even on expenses.
"We have other techniques for getting people's attention.
Sometimes we play the audiotape of Dr. Pierce reading The Turner Diaries. Sometimes we set up a TV and play a videotape of Dr. Pierce speaking on gun control. This gets people to pause for a while at our table. Before we lost count, the NA men and women staffing our display had handed out, face-to-face, over 16,000 NA anti-gun control leaflets. We averaged gaining at least one new NA member at each show we participated in.
"We give out leaflets promoting the National Alliance and its program for a White America. One handout that I made up is an 8 1/2 x 11 flyer showing a skeleton in front of the electronic Jew (TV), a classic cartoon, with the caption added "KICK THE HABIT!" It includes our phone message number. We have given out literally thousands of them. Many, I'm sure, are still being duplicated and distributed by others."

http://www.ainfos.ca/A-Infos96/5/0275.html

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SmokingLoon Donating Member (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 11:34 AM
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49. No, you are wrong,
at least by the shows I have been to in Ohio and Kentucky.
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the_acid_one Donating Member (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 04:14 PM
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53. So between someone who's....
...been to somewhere.

And someone who's "heard about" somewhere.


Who's the better source?



If you think I am lying, then make the big 5 dollar investment, go to a gun show, and then you can be content with yourself knowing that I am wrong. Unless you're afraid I'll be right ;)
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 04:45 PM
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39. Just so....
And those that don't, have to make a mighty effort to keep that sort of scum out...because those shitheels know their audience.
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the_acid_one Donating Member (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 11:23 PM
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42. I've obviously been to more then you....
...and probably been to more then Mr Benchley....and I have yet to see any of the things the anti-gun crowd insist is there.

The illegal machine guns, the dealers selling without paperwork, the nazi memorabilia, KKK membership applications. None of that shit.

If it's not at a gun show in Tennessee (I stress again, TENNESSEE, HOME OF THE KU KLUX KLAN) then where the fuck is it? Like I said earlier, I didnt even see a Confederate Battle Flag, and you can get those at pretty much every gift shop in this state.

I'm seriously thinking all this stuff must be only at the gun-shows in Made-upistan.....
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79Ramchargerfan Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 01:06 AM
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43. just went to a gun show this month too!
it was the cross roads of the west.

i was pleased. i had recently picked up a CZ M98 6mm an took it in to get a set of go - no go guages. the guy that had a set wasnt even worried about me buying em after i checked them in the rifle first (its good!!!) but i bought em anyway

while i did see some nazi and iron cross memorabilla (sorry SP?) i sure didnt come across any KKK fellas that were spewing it out loud an proud. all in all i was very pleased too. nice folks an some cool products.

like a Sema show on a different wavelentgh


Coliberal: you should go at least once. strap on a pistol an walk around. good times!
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 11:45 AM
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51. I've seen Third Reich poker chips and swizzle sticks
At the Crossroads show. Probably the same (read "one") vendor who sells genuine Nazi items (also US, French, and British memorabilia but nobody ever notices that).
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the_acid_one Donating Member (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 04:04 PM
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52. Beat me to it...
..I was basically going to say something along the lines of "context matters".
IE, one table dedicated to the glorification nazi party, versus, a table full of World War 2 antiques which includes replica's or orginal nazi items.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-03 10:41 AM
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63. Nazi memorabilia, JBS booth, hate literature for sale
Edited on Wed Dec-31-03 11:02 AM by slackmaster
And I'd guess...

Which always makes a good basis for perpetuation of stereotypes. :eyes:

I've seen all of those items at the San Diego County (Del Mar) Fair and just about every major street festival I've ever attended.

BTW do you really have a problem with people collecting antiques that you don't like or expressing ideas that you don't agree with? I don't. I think the whole spectrum of political thought should be right out in the open where everyone can judge it for what it is.

Personally I wouldn't have any of that stuff in my home and I'd be uncomfortable if I saw it in a place I was visiting, although I did enjoy the novelty of thumbing through a genuine autographed first edition copy of Mein Kampf in a millionaire's home once. It was kind of like the time I held an original nuclear bomb triggering device that had been a spare part for the Fat Man bomb that destroyed Nagasaki, Japan.

(On edit: Before anyone jumps to conclusions about the man who owned that copy of Mein Kampf I should point out that he had been a personal friend of President Kennedy. Inches away from Hitler's tome was a photo of the man having a glass of brandy and a cigar with JFK a few feet away from where I stood.)
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