ATF seizes 30 toy guns ....

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ATF seizes 30 toy guns, infuriating local business owner

CORNELIUS, Ore. - A local business owner is flabbergasted after a shipment of 30 toy guns for his store was confiscated by ATF agents in Tacoma.

Brad Martin and his son, Ben, sell the Airsoft BB guns from their store in Cornelius where they’ve been in business for seven years.

The Martins said they buy their stock from Taiwan because the merchandise is less expensive. But the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives seized a shipment of 30 in October. That shipment is worth around $12,000 and the ATF is promising to destroy the entire shipment.

Special Agent Kelvin Crenshaw said the toys can be easily retro-fitted into dangerous weapons.

"With minimal work it could be converted to a machine gun," Crenshaw said.

Brad Martin is furious about the loss of money, for sure, but also in what he now thinks as a loss of his time and the use of government agents to seize toy guns.

"All this manpower, all this time, all this taxpayer money, wasting my time and my profitability,” Martin said. “ to seize 30 toy guns!"

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The Martins said they've received shipments before from Taiwan that were missing the orange tips and were simply asked by customs agents to drive up to Tacoma and paint the tips orange themselves. They are wondering why it is an issue now.
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/ATF-seizes-30-toy-guns-infuriating-local-business/vUVs2QUCAUuZWeRrqgIQaA.cspx

Q&A with Jason Jonah at Andy & Dax Surplus

Do you think parts of these Airsoft rifles could be used in building machine guns or any other type of firearm?

In my opinion, absolutely not. They’re not strong enough. It’s a toy, not a gun. It looks like a gun, but the insides are completely different, the design is different, and the material it’s made of is just not strong enough to fire real ammunition.

The owner says the receiver is made of a low quality cast aluminum. Would that be practical to use in such a conversion?

No. not at all. It’s totally inappropriate.

What would happen if you tried?

The first time you tried to fire it, you’d probably blow your hand off. The gun would come apart and the pieces fly at you. If it weren’t the ATF making these accusations, I’d laugh, but they must be taking it seriously.

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/katcalls/story/ATF-toy-gun-seizure-was-it-justified/o95XLGPuqEaEHV30WwlAMQ.cspx

This news video updates the situation, the reporter attempts to get answers from the ATF.
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoId=[e-mail]&navCatId=156

Perhaps the ATF should concentrate on real firearms rather than toys.

[onehandle]

1. Hey! We're agreed!

The ATF should concentrate on real firearms rather than toys.

I don't think this is going to make either of us more popular in this room

;-)

[spin]

2. Confiscating Airsoft guns and saying they could be converted to machine guns ...

is far worse than saying that semi-auto rifles could be converted to full auto weapons.

What a bunch of buffoons.

[KansDem]

3. If toy guns are outlawed, then only toy outlaws will have toy guns!

[spin]

6. LOL, good one! (n/t)

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4. self delete (replied to wrong post).

[Ozymanithrax]

5. "A shipment of 30 toys guns" "worth around $12,000 "

BB guns have really increased in price since I owned won in 1963, but $400.00 per gun seems a bit steep. Fortunately, they bought them from Taiwan for a cheaper price.

[spin]

7. Check this Airsoft ad ...

G&G GR300 Electric Airsoft Rifle AEG Gun
$410.99 per EACH

Item Code: ER-GG-GR300-L
Airsoft Guns Styles: Misc Airsoft Rifle
Airsoft Manufacturers: Guay Guay G&G
In Stock: Yes
Model: GR300 AR300 Airsoft Rifle

G&G GR300 Electric Airsoft Rifle AEG
Specifications:
- Velocity: 380 FPS (0.2 g BB) / Range 160-180 Feet
- Barrel Length: 16.5 inches / 41 cm
- Magazine Capacity: 450 Rounds
Features:
- Side Folding Stock!
- Adjustable Hop Up and Sights
- Battery and Charger Not Included
- Made in Taiwan

The G&G GR300 is of full metal construction and features an open top receiver rail with an included rear sight. The controls are basically the same as your basic M4 or M16. It incorporates a folding stock for tight spaces during movement or transport and storage.
http://www.airsplat.com/Items/ER-GG-GR300-L.htm

There are cheaper models on the website:

http://www.airsplat.com/?gclid=CMuR9czmrqACFWV75QodJWHXbQ

[Ozymanithrax]

8. Yes, they are much more expensive.

Thanks.

[gorfle]

9. Basically these are toy guns for grown-ups.

This is not your grandfather's BB gun.

These are basically BB guns for adults who play war games with them. Similar to paintball, but with more realistic-looking weapons and no paint.

[sharesunited]

10. You'll shoot your eye out kid.

Go get 'em feds.

[ManiacJoe]

11. That is why you wear the safety goggles.

You seem as confused about the job of the ATF as the ATF guys are.

[sharesunited]

13. I would be glad to give them my complete leadership. They need only ask.

[Ter]

15. Glad? They are taking away your rights

N/T.

[SteveM]

17. Wait, Ter, think about it: ATF with his "leadership." Feel better?

[Katya Mullethov]

12. Attempting to cram the mag in backwards was a nice touch

That really helps ones credibility as a govt expert . "


Anyone coming outta the house "..........ahahahahahaha...... shut yer cokholster.... TOOLBOX .

[cognoscere]

14. What do you suppose Special Agent Kelvin Crenshaw's reaction

would be when he finds out that fully automatic paintball guns are available? Second question: Just how much of Kelvin's brain had to be removed and replaced with dog shit before the government would hire him?

[spin]

16. Perhaps he had a government sponsored lobotomy...

that removed the "commonsense" part of his brain.

[sylvi]

18. Smells suspiciously like

someone at BATF screwed up royally - bad intel, bad tip, something - and now they're desperately trying to keep themselves from looking like fools by claiming these toys can be "converted." Well, it's not working. They're just making things worse.