GUNS IN THE NEWS--December 22, 2003

[MrBenchley]

As CO Liberal sez:
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[MrBenchley]

1. Nightclub Shooting Injures 4 (NC)

"Spartanburg County deputies are investigating an early morning shooting Sunday that sent four people to the hospital.
Investigators responded to the shooting at the Acapoco Night Club on Fairforest Road around 3 a.m.
Witnesses told deputies that a man at the club fired shots in the air, then started shooting at the front door as he left the area.
The four people who were injured were taken to Spartanburg Regional Medical Center for treatment. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20031222/lo_wyff/1928804

[demsrule4life]

2. Store clerk shoots, kills would-be robber

Khan was closing up Dani's Food Mart on Williamson Road in Macon shortly before midnight when Melvin Dugger, 17, walked in waving a gun and demanding money.

http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/news/local/7526367.htm

[demsrule4life]

3. Home invasion turns deadly

Police say Bradenton man shoots, kills intruder; no charges

http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/7541752.htm

Hasen't it been said that home invasions don't happen?

[MrBenchley]

4. Really dems?

Who the hell said that?

Gun owners invade homes to rob and terrorize the inhabitants all the goddamn time...as these threads show on an almost daily basis.

[the_acid_one]

17. Cool, then I'm sure you'll agree

that it's important for home owners to be able to defend themselves and their property. Since swords are ussually awkward in this circumstance, a pistol should do nicely.

Unless you feel that an unarmed victim is preferable. In which case, I'm sure you'll work on making sure that all victims are easy prey.

[MrBenchley]

19. Who the hell are you trying to kid?

We're not supposed to do anything to stop criminals from getting their hands on guns, but we should all tote popguns every second?

But hey, since when did common sense intrude on RKBA fantasies?

[the_acid_one]

22. Criminals are already barred from owning guns.

What law are you going to pass that's going to "really really stop them, this time"?

[MrBenchley]

23. Whenever "closing the gun show loophole" is mentioned

Gee, how the RKBA crowd howls in rage!!

[RoeBear]

25. I know my eyes are going bad...

...but where was the non-existent 'gun show loophole' mentioned?

[the_acid_one]

26. I was at a gun show all day yesterday...

...go to one, tell a dealer you want to buy a gun, and the first thing they'll do is slide you a form to fill out.

Not much of a loop hole, if you ask me.

[MrBenchley]

27. Who the hell are you trying to kid?

[the_acid_one]

28. "Dear Acid:...

....in lieu of a real discussion, or any facts at all, please accept this witty retort."

[MrBenchley]

31. Hey, why should I bother?

if someone wants to pretend there's no gun show loophole, it's clear they're too deep into fantasy to have a serious discussion with.

[RoeBear]

38. Call it what it is...

...or loose any credibility that you have.

[RoeBear]

29. 'splain what...

...you're talkin about, please.

[Name removed]

21. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[MrBenchley]

24. Yeah, surrrrrrrrrrre....

[CO Liberal]

32. Unless You Can Provide a Link, Dems.......

...to any place where any pro-control person (ESPECIALLY myself or MrBenchley) has referred to home invasions as "paranoid fantasies", I'm calling on you to retract the above slanderous statement.

[the_acid_one]

33. Much like..

...Mr Benchley retracted his slanderous statements against the SAS?

[CO Liberal]

34. Whatever MrBenchley Posted Was About a Group

Dems is making accusations against specific people on this board, and I'm calling him on it.

[MrBenchley]

36. What's more

....the group in question was founded and headed by actual freepers....

One wondered then and wonders now why a "Democrat" is so bent out of shape by the truth about about what that ugly little bunch of slatternly loonies is:

"Second Amendment Sisters founder Kimberly Watson said the event grew out of postings on the Free Republic Web site by like-minded women..."

http://archive.salon.com/news/feature/2000/05/15/moms/index2.html

"Marinelle W. Thompson, Founder/Director/Vice President [e-mail]  
She is active with North Texas Chapter of Free Republic....."

http://www.sas-aim.org/membership/founders.htm

[the_acid_one]

40. Oh no, freepers! wahhh!

I dont care about the founders other politics, the only poltics the SAS as a group exists to promote is the 2nd A. So yeh, I'm gonna defend the group from criminal accusations untill you back up your statements.

One wondered then and wonders now why a "Democrat" is so bent out of shape by the truth....

Not the truth, only lies in drag.

Your "guilt by association" tactics are going to fly about as far as a turd in a punchbowl.
Dont worry, no one is going to be surprised when you cant prove your accusations. ;)

[MrBenchley]

45. You're known by the company you keep

And you're welcome to that scum.

"the only poltics the SAS as a group exists to promote is the 2nd A."
Not even close to true...the feeble-minded skanks turned their first-ever public appearance into an anti-Clinton klavern.

"Like Free Republic itself, the protest drew a diverse crowd united in its distrust of government and loathing of President Clinton, whose impeachment was regularly invoked at the event.....Speakers included ....Larry Klayman of Judicial Watch, who found a way to tie the Second Amendment to President Clinton's sexual improprieties by implying that Juanita Broaddrick, Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey and Gennifer Flowers and Clinton's other women could have warded off his advances had they only brandished weapons; and Yale Law School scholar and "More Guns, Less Crime" author John Lott."

http://archive.salon.com/news/feature/2000/05/15/moms/index2.html



"Not the truth"
The hell it isn't.

"no one is going to be surprised when you cant prove your accusations"
I ALREADY proved that the SAS is an offshoot of Free Republic. Many times. Now if you want to pretend freepers aren't synonymous with hate mail, go find somebody else to play along.

[the_acid_one]

49. Poof! Smoke Bomb.

It's really quite simple.

If you have proof that the SAS sent death threats, then prove it.

Show them for the bunch of crooks they are, make a citizens arrest, take them to court.

Of course, you cant prove anything, and it's fairly obvious

Hey, For all We know, YOU sent them. Now prove you didnt ;)

[MrBenchley]

56. It's even simpler than that

They're skanky freepers (proud of it too), and freepers are synonymous with hate mail. That's why I said it sounds like them. If you don't love it,, tough titty.

[the_acid_one]

61. Yeh...ok....

I'm sure no one on DU has ever... at any time.... sent anyone something that could qualify as "hatemail" to someone they disagreed with.

By your logic, if only a few people here have sent "hatemail" to someone, then we're all a bunch of shit-assed fuckheads.

Everything can't be divied up as simply as you like to try Mr Benchley. Your broadbrush method of painting people only works to further polarize and alienate.

As I said, for all we know, you're the one that sent the threatening letters, and there's at least as much proof for that allegation that there is for yours.

[MrBenchley]

63. Who the hell are you trying to kid?

Now go snivel about how accurately freepers are being described to somebody who gives a flying fuck.

[the_acid_one]

65. Between "Freepers"...

...that would defend my right to keep and bear arms...and "liberals" that paint people with a brush broader then any barn, make baseless accusations of criminal activity over little more then petty politics, and would like nothing better then to have some government goon knock on my door and confiscate property that I have invested thousands of dollars in.....

Well...Hell....looks like I'm going to have to side with the "Freeping" Second Ammendmant Sisters on this one.

[MrBenchley]

67. The RKBA crowd siding with freepers--who IS surprised?

Not me.

[the_acid_one]

70. You bet.

We have the "freeping" SAS trying to defend my right to KBA.

And then we have a "liberal" trying to take my right away.

Hmm....Do I want more freedom? Or Less freedom? So tough a decision....

I think I'm gonna go with "More Freedom" on this one.

[MrBenchley]

73. Really, who IS surprised?

Every time the RKBA crowd has a source, it's a right wing cesspool like Newsmax...

Every time the RKBA crowd bashes a politican, it's always a Democrat.

Elsewhere on this board the RKBA crowd is pimping furiously for AshKKKroft's boondoggle...

[the_acid_one]

76. Indeed, who is?

More Freedom
V.S.
Less Freedom


Who would have thought a "liberal" would rather put all the firepower in the hands of the same government that would like to see them locked up in Guantanamo Bay for Political Dissent?

[MrBenchley]

79. And that's why the RKBA crowd

has to cut and paste tables together dishonestly to make an argument....or depend on phony Thomas Jefferson quotes...or dredge articles from right wing cesspools....

Hand us another BIG laugh.

[the_acid_one]

81. My only argument is....

More Freedom vs Less Freedom.

You may be willing to give up your rights in exchange for a pat on the head from Uncle Sam. But I am not going to let you give up mine.

Sell yourself down the river if you want. Leave us RKBA'ers out of it.

[MrBenchley]

83. Pimp for your freeper friends

to somebody dumb enough to think that what they're selling is "freedom."

[the_acid_one]

84. Beats the horseshit....

....that you're peddling.

[MrBenchley]

85. Hahahahahahaha....

And that's why I had to cut and paste tables together in a misleading way...oh wait...that was YOU.

[the_acid_one]

86. And thats why I have...

....to make false criminal accusations without being able to support them....or why I have to make up bullshit about a gun show loophole that doesnt exist....or why I have to pretend that the NZ MoJ said the numbers apply differantly for US and England....when what they actually said was that the numbers in New Zealand are the inflated ones, not the English.

[MrBenchley]

87. Yeah, surrrrrrre....

[the_acid_one]

39. Like their politics or not....

...Mr Benchley made across the board statements accusing the SAS' members of quite litterally...criminal activity. He had no reason to say it, nothing to back it up, and his only justification is "I dont like thier politics, wahhhh!"

Irrellevant.

I actually met the director of the SAS yesterday and she was actually quite nice, I also have intentions of joining the group, Irregardless of how Mr Benchly feels about them. So yeh, what can I say, I object to Mr Benchleys broad brush sweeping generalized method of portraying every supporter of the second ammendment as being racist and hateful. Especially when that generalization accuses them of criminal activities and offers up no proof whatsoever beyond "yeh, but they MIGHT have!"

[MrBenchley]

35. Too frigging funny...

You mean back when a certain member of the RKBA crowd here was pimping for those freepers?

""Second Amendment Sisters founder Kimberly Watson said the event grew out of postings on the Free Republic Web site by like-minded women...."

http://archive.salon.com/news/feature/2000/05/15/moms/index2.html

"Marinelle W. Thompson, Founder/Director/Vice President [e-mail]  
She is active with North Texas Chapter of Free Republic....."

http://www.sas-aim.org/membership/founders.htm

Piss on those hate-filled crazy skanks.

[CO Liberal]

37. Nah....They Might Enjoy That

:-)

Might be the first time a man has shown some of them any attention......

[MrBenchley]

46. LOL!

[CO Liberal]

71. Anything Said Against Those Worthless Skanks.....

....is the truth.

[the_acid_one]

72. Of course it is....

...and the more you say it, the more truthful it becomes...so just keep repeating it till you believe it, and then it doesnt matter if anyone else does....

[demsrule4life]

41. I won't retract

You and me have discussed it, in the same breath you said your two dogs and deadbolt locks keep you safe and you did'nt need guns. I made a comment to you how can home invasions be a fantasy when there are around 2,000,000 a year in the states.

[CO Liberal]

42. But I Didn't Say Home Invasions Were a Fantasy

Awaiting your retraction and apology.

[demsrule4life]

43. I was close

CO Liberal (1000+ posts) Tue Nov-04-03 09:19 PM
Response to Reply #35

39. Being as No One Has Ever Tried In My 50 Years of Life......


....I'll continue living in the real worls, as opposed to your fantasy world where a gun is the only thing that stands between you and certain death.

"Some men see things

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=20122#20212

Since we are on the subject, would you consider the last paragraph on the bottom a personal attack.
MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-15-03 08:28 PM
Response to Reply #67

68. Novakula, Prince of Darkness


is a far right wing loony who used to regularly get walloped by Carville and Begala on CNN's Crossfire...he's been around forever.

He was most lately in the news for outing Valerie Plame, the CIA agent, at the behest of certain scummy folk in the White House....his column violated at least one Federal law and could be considered, generally speaking, treason. Plame was the wife of ambassador Joseph Wilson, career diplomat who discovered that the Niger yellowcake claim was fraud (not hard to do, the documents didn't have the name of the country written corrrectly) and told the newspapers so when his advice was ignored. Here's a brief account.

http://www.talkleft.com/archives/003755.html

Koresh only knows what the lame duck anti-clone bill has to do with anything...it's not like the streets of Bayonne are likely to be filled with clones anytime soon...

I suspect it's dems trying to say "New Jersey sucks" but instead blurting out "I read only right wing crap."

[MrBenchley]

44. Too fucking funny, dems....

Tell us again why you posted this feeble-minded and totally irrelevant crap from Bob Novak in the first place.....

[CO Liberal]

47. *** shaking head *** Dems, Dems, Dems.....

If you re-read my post, I said that the fantasy was that many pro-gunners think that their "pweshus widdle" gun is the only thing that's keeping them and their families safe. I prefer other measures, such as dogs and deadbolts. And an effective Neighborhood Watch program.

Nowhere did I say that home invasions were a fantasy. Why would I say that, when they're in the news every day??? And mainly because the bad guys can get hold of guns much too easily???

Please stop putting words in my mouth - I can do that very well on my own, thank you.

[demsrule4life]

48. ####shaking head#######

You did say this during a converstion about home invasions. I said I was wrong with the quote, but I would have to guess take me to a court of law and it will end up a hung jury. :) By the way you never answered my question. I was called out by name but yet in my post that got deleted I never used yours.

[CO Liberal]

52. It Was Obvious Who You Were Talking About

Perhaps that's why your post was deleted.

[the_acid_one]

51. B-b-b-b-b-but.....

Nowhere did I say that home invasions were a fantasy. Why would I say that, when they're in the news every day??? And mainly because the bad guys can get hold of guns much too easily???









If I'm reading that right, their robbery statistics are higher.

"Hot Burglarys" are also higher over there I think. Thats where someone trys to rob someones house while they're in it. Most likely due to Englands "Retreat as much as necessary" laws.


BTW, most gun owners also have "dogs and deadbolts". They simply recognize that those are only steps at best. Early warning systems....minor detterants. But hardly comprehensive.

Me personally...I dont have a dog, I dont lock my doors, and I dont suppose I will ever need a firearm to defend myself at home.

But that doesnt mean I am going to let people further restrict my ability to get one or limit the kind I can get.

I own a gun because it's my right, and thats really the only justification one needs in the end.

[CO Liberal]

53. Where Did You Get Those Tables???

I have two problems with them:

1 - You didn't provide a source, so we have no way of verifying them, or even looking at them for ourselves.

2 - The England and Wales table lists three categories of crimes - "Violence against the person", "sexual offenses", and "robbery". The US table lists "Murder and non-negligent manslaughter", "Robbery", "Forceable rape", and "Aggravated assault". Not exactly an apples-and-apples comparison......

[Withergyld]

54. The tables are from the New Zealand Ministry of Justice

If you right click on the table and click "properties" a box will open up with among other things the URL of the picture.
Here is a link to the full report.
http://www.justice.govt.nz/pubs/reports/2002/intl-comparisons-crime/

[the_acid_one]

55. Withergyld posted the source...

http://www.justice.govt.nz/pubs/reports/2002/intl-comparisons-crime/

As he said....


As far as the charts go, I was only comparing the robbery rates, as they were the one that had "home invasion" relevance. Of course, this probably includes other types of robbery aswell. But since it lumps "robbery" all in one big group without differant sub-statistics, I just posted the whole affair.

cheers :)

[a2wise]

57. Is that silence I hear?

???

[CO Liberal]

64. Wow - It Didn't Take THAT Guy Long.....

...to earn one of these.

[the_acid_one]

78. What did he post?

I never saw any of his other posts.

[MrBenchley]

59. But if you go to the link....

you find what's being compared are entire bunches of bananas to individual apples.

One wonders why EVERY bit of RKBA argument is based on such easily discovered falsehood and puffery.....and the answer comes back in just a moment.

[MrBenchley]

58. What a DISHONEST bit of cut and paste...

"In relation to the factors discussed in the earlier section "Comparisons between different countries", England and Wales' jurisdiction uses different crime counting rules to those applied in the New Zealand jurisdiction. Like Australia, England and Wales' crime rates are counted in terms of the numbers of victims, rather than the number of offences, recorded by Police, thus the differences in counting rules are likely to inflate the apparent violent crime rates of New Zealand in comparison to England and Wales. "

So on the page where THESE figures (1,390 per 100,000) appear for England and Wales, New Zealand's crime rate is 1,204.5 violent crimes per 100,000....

http://www.justice.govt.nz/pubs/reports/2002/intl-comparisons-crime/section-7.html

Counted the way crimes are counted in the US, New Zealand's violent crime rate is just 132.6 violent crimes per 100,000....

"In 2000, America had more than double the rate of forcible rape per capita than New Zealand, more than three times the rate of murder and non-negligent manslaughter and robbery than New Zealand per capita, and over four times the rate of aggravated assault per capita than New Zealand. The rate of total violent crime for America in 2000 was 506.1 per 100,000 population; almost four times the rate of 132.6 for New Zealand."

http://www.justice.govt.nz/pubs/reports/2002/intl-comparisons-crime/section-5.html

So if you adjust that table for England the way New Zealand actually does, suddenly the crime rate in England drops away to a fraction of ours.

Or did you really think anyone was dumb enough to think Wales was having a bloodbath and Texas wasn't?

[the_acid_one]

60. I dont think so.

As it says the adjustmentments that make the rates look inflated are adjustments on the NEW ZEALAND side, and not adjustments made on either the English nor American tables, the key part being:

likely to inflate the apparent violent crime rates of New Zealand in comparison to England and Wales

So like it says the New Zealand crime rates are the inflated ones.

I could be wrong, but if adjustments were required to get a better picture, why didnt they adjust them themselves? Or at least give us the adjusted figures?

To paraphrase you...


"Between the New Zealand Ministry of Justice, and you, I'll bealive the MoJ"

[MrBenchley]

62. Who the hell do you think you're kiddinng?

New Zealand has to inflate its US-adjusted statistics about ten times to match the way Britain counts them....but then you want to measure Britain to the US head to head.

Why is every RKBA argument so flagrantly dishonest at bottom? Because the phony RKBA is rotten through and through.

"why didnt they adjust them themselves?"
Because they didn''t expect anybody to paste them out of context in such a blatant lie, methinks.

[the_acid_one]

66. Survey Says:

New Zealand Ministry of Justice Statistics

VS

Mr Benchley's word.



Judges Call?

NZ MoJ: 1

Mr.B. : 0

[MrBenchley]

68. Hell, I used the New Zealand Ministry of Justice

as a source...

That's how I know what a steaming pantload your post WAS.

I didn't cut and paste the charts DISHONESTLY.

[the_acid_one]

69. What a steamy fresh laid pile...

...peddle it to someone dumb enough to buy it.

[MrBenchley]

74. Yes, your cut and paste job was just that

"peddle it to someone dumb enough to buy it"
You mean somebody dumb enough to believe there's a bloodbath in Wales and New Zealand? Or someone dumb enough to think other people would believe it?

Nobody on this side of the ball is that dumb....or so dishonest they'd cut and paste two different charts with two different standards together and lie about them.

[the_acid_one]

77. What a pantload....

The only thing I was comparing are the robbery rates.
Robbery hardly constitutes a "blood bath".

If you look at the numbers it shows much more violent crimes on the US side. Violent being murder and rape.

Irregardless.


The chart says they have more robberys, and that we have more murders.

It also says that only the New Zealand side is misrepresented. As such, the numbers the charts give, stand.

NZMOJ: 1
MR.B.: 0

[MrBenchley]

80. Again, who the HELL are you trying to kid?

You pasted two different charts with two different methods of counting together to try and fabricate data..

A moment's visit to the actual site shows what a steaming pantload your original post was.

[the_acid_one]

82. Hand us another BIG laugh.

I didnt fabricate anything.

The numbers say they have more robberys, Sorry if you dont like it. I just go by the numbers ;)

[Valarauko]

75. Really?

Hand us another big laugh.

[MrBenchley]

5. Boy Shot While Reportedly Playing With Gun (MI)

"A 12-year-old boy was shot in what is believed to be accidental gunfire at a home on Detroits west side Sunday night.
The boy and an 18-year-old man were playing with a handgun at a home on Mettetal Street when it went off, hitting the 12-year-old in the leg, Local 4 reported. There were reportedly no parents at home when the shooting occurred. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20031222/lo_wdiv/1929068

Just playmates with their "toys"....

[MrBenchley]

6. Fla. Deputy Kills Man Who Pulled Gun

"TAMPA, Fla. - A man who officials twice tried to pull over for a routine traffic violation was killed by a deputy after he pulled a semiautomatic gun, authorities said.
John Henry Garza, 37, was shot early Saturday by Deputy David Forster, sheriff's spokeswoman Debbie Carter told the St. Petersburg Times for its Sunday editions.
Garza had outstanding warrants in his home state of Nebraska for robbery and weapon possession, officials said. He also was convicted of robbery in Leon County five years ago and sent to state prison for two years, according to Florida corrections records. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031221/ap_on_re_us/deputy_man_killed_1

And thanks to the corrupt gun industry and the GOP, he could have bought that gun at any gun show in Florida.

[MrSandman]

50. But it is much more likely

that it was stolen.

[MrBenchley]

7. Accused Workplace Shooter Ruled Competent To Stand Trial (OH)

"A man accused of opening fire and killing two men at a local trucking company will stand trial in what is now a death-penalty case.
Tom West, whose birth name is Joseph John Eschenbrenner, allegedly killed two employees and injured three others at Watkins Trucking Co. in West Chester last month.
Friday, Butler County Judge Keith Spaeth ruled that West was competent to stand trial in connection with the Nov. 6 workplace rampage, WLWT Eyewitness News 5's John London reported. Spaeth had the option to rule that West was not competent to stand trial, which would have resulted in psychiatric treatment for the suspect. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=410&ncid=410&e=4&u=/ibsys/20031221/lo_wlwt/1926948

[MrBenchley]

8. Man sentenced in shooting (KS)

Another responsible gun owner in action...

"A Topeka man was sentenced to three years and four months in prison for shooting into a crowded Lawrence sidewalk.
Jason Anthony Tremble, 21, was walking near 11th and Massachusetts streets early Oct. 5 when he fired a pistol into the sidewalk. The area was crowded, and five women and six men were hit by bullet fragments or pieces of concrete.
Tremble drove away and crashed near Sixth and Kentucky streets, police said. He was arrested nearby about four hours later. At the time, he was on probation for drug possession and obstruction charges in Shawnee County."

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/7535686.htm

[MrBenchley]

9. Drive-by shooting takes life of KC youth, 16

"A 16-year-old boy was killed in a drive-by shooting about 6:30 p.m. Sunday on East Ninth Street near Monroe Avenue, Kansas City police said.
Police did not immediately release the victim's name. He was the city's 88th homicide victim of the year, pushing Kansas City one over last year's total, police spokesman Rich Lockhart said.
The youth was in the front yard of a house when one or more persons in a passing car fired several shots at him. Authorities pronounced him dead at the scene. Police were not sure if the victim had lived in the neighborhood.
Police were investigating whether his death was connected to another drive-by shooting that happened on the same block about an hour earlier, Lockhart said. No one was injured in the earlier attack."

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/7546739.htm

[MrBenchley]

10. Teen Given Sentence For Shooting 14-Year-Old Girl (TX)

"He shot and killed his 14-year-old friend. On Sunday a jury sentenced the 15-year-old to 10 years probation.
Back in April a group of teens were playing with a loaded gun at a slumber party. Elizabeth Dolan was shot in the chest and died. The 15-year-old was charged with manslaughter. He claims it was an accident.
Speaking out, the Dolan family says they are very upset with the jury's decision.
"We find it inconceivable that the same jury who found Steven Kyle Jones guilty of manslaughter gave him probation and he will be back on the streets where he is able to stroll around San Antonio with a gun stuck in his pockets for days, said Robert Dolan. "

http://www.woai.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=CA97DFB5-16B2-4D13-96EF-A68946551518

[MrBenchley]

11. Man Dies In Shooting Near Tchoupitoulas Bar (LA)

"Police on Monday were investigating the apparent shooting death of a 31-year-old New Orleans man and the wounding of a 20-year-old New Orleans woman.
The shooting occurred shortly after 2 a.m., near the intersection of Amelia and Tchoupitoulas streets.
According to investigators, Club Behind the Eight Ball -- a nearby nightclub -- had just closed, and about 200 people were leaving, when shots were fired. Moments later, a man was found laying on the ground with what appeared to be a gunshot wound to the head. The woman suffered an apparent gunshot wound to the leg. The man was pronounced dead on the scene; the woman was taken to Charity Hospital. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20031222/lo_wdsu/1929308

[MrBenchley]

12. Police: Woman Shot In Road Rage Incident (IN)

"Police said the incident began when Tamika Wiggins, 27, nearly collided with another car in the parking lot of a west side convenience store Saturday.
The driver followed Wiggins for several blocks before firing several shots into her car, police aid.
Wiggins was struck twice. Her condition was upgraded from critical to fair at a local hospital Sunday. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20031222/lo_wrtv/1929363

[MrBenchley]

13. N.O. East Shooting Kills 2, Injures 1

"New Orleans police are investigating the Sunday shooting deaths of two men in New Orleans East.
The men, ages 21 and 22, are not being identified pending notification of family members. A third man was wounded in the incident, New Orleans Police Department spokesman Sgt. Paul Accardo said.
The shooting occurred just after 6 p.m. at a home at 7820 West Laverne Drive.
Detectives think all three men were inside the home when one or more assailants entered and began firing. There were no signs of forced entry. One of the deceased -- the 22-year-old -- had an outstanding warrant for attempted murder stemming from a shooting in New Orleans East several weeks earlier, Accardo said. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20031222/lo_wdsu/1929631

Of course, in Louisiana, he could have walked into a gun show and bought a gun without any background check...as could anybody else.

[MrBenchley]

14. Oakland Park man found shot to death near Pembroke Park bottling plant

"A 22-year-old man died early Sunday after being shot behind a bottling plant in Pembroke Park, and police are looking for the killer.
Investigators don't know why Jameson Sacerdote, of the 100 block of Northeast 38th Street in Oakland Park, was in a dark access road at 1:45 a.m. behind the Coca Cola bottling plant at 3350 Pembroke Road, but that's where he met his killer, Broward Sheriff's Office spokesman Jim Leljedal said.
A friend, whose identity police wouldn't reveal, was present and rushed Sacerdote to Memorial Regional Hospital shortly before 2 a.m.
Sacerdote was pronounced dead about an hour later, the Sheriff's Office said."

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/yahoo/sfl-chomicide22dec22,0,7174604.story?coll=sfla-newsaol-headlines

[MrBenchley]

15. Gunman Robs Monroe Street Pharmacy (WI)

"Police are looking for the gunman who robbed Neuhauser Pharmacy on Monroe Street early Saturday.
A man in his 40s with a "scraggly" beard entered the store shortly before 9 a.m., flashed a gun and demanded money and narcotics, police said. He left after getting what he wanted and officers were unable to find him. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=300&ncid=300&e=2&u=/ibsys/20031222/lo_wisc/1928152

[MrBenchley]

16. 2 Utah Teens Jailed in Web Threats Case

"AMERICAN FORK, Utah - Two teenage boys, including one who had asked for a gun for Christmas, were arrested after allegedly making death threats against high school athletes on a Web site, police said.

 

The boys, ages 15 and 16, were in juvenile detention Saturday on charges of making terroristic threats, police said. Their names were not released. They were arrested Monday after a student at American Fork High School told a teacher about the Web site.
"The threats were directed at anyone associated with the athletics program," police Lt. Darren Falslev said.
"I have a bag full of bullets waiting for you," authorities said one of the students allegedly wrote on the Web site, which has been shut down. "Judging how you will be jocks and can probably barely count, I'll make a deal with you, I'll give you a counting lesson as you count the shells."
The Web site also said one of the boys liked killing, playing video games and "burning" and "butchering" Jews, police said. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031220/ap_on_re_us/web_death_threats_1

[MrBenchley]

18. Slaying Is Oxnard's 25th of the Year

"A 21-year-old man was shot to death late Saturday on an Oxnard street, the 25th slaying in the city this year and the third in the Colonia neighborhood in a little more than a month.
Ricardo Veronica was found shortly before midnight Saturday on a residential sidewalk in the 1400 block of East 2nd Street on the city's north end.   
An autopsy performed Sunday revealed that Veronica, who lived in Oxnard with his parents, died from multiple gunshot wounds possibly inflicted by more than one weapon, said Mitch Breese, an investigator with the Ventura County medical examiner's office."

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-veshot22dec22,1,5193445.story?coll=la-headlines-california

[MrBenchley]

20. Candlelight Vigil Held At Sonic Drive-In (TX)

"About 40 people held candles outside a Sonic Drive-In on the near North Side on Thursday night to remember a 21-year-old employee who struggled financially but stayed out of trouble.

"Family and friends comforted one other on a cold night outside the drive-in where Christopher Roel was shot and killed during a robbery late Tuesday night.
Three people walked into the drive-in at closing time and demanded money at gunpoint. Roel tried to escape but was shot. He died at the scene. Six people have been charged with capital murder in connection with the crime.
"He struggled a lot, but he was trying to make ends meet," Ralph Roel, the victim's uncle, said. "He (wasn't in) gangs or (did) drugs or anything. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ibsys/20031219/lo_ksat/1926741&e=4

[MrBenchley]

30. Suspect asks for seized guns (MD)

Well, look who popped up in the news again! This summer, when this goober first came to public attention, the RKBA crowd made a frantic attempt to portray him as a hero and some sort of moral paragon because he hadn't shot some guy that the cult leader he worked for (who pretended to be an extraterrestrial being) wanted him to whack.

"Four months after police seized more than 80 weapons, including several machine guns, from a Carroll County firearms dealer's home, the man is asking for many of his guns back.
Amir H. Tabassi, who was charged after police said they found an unregistered, loaded machine gun near a sleeping 12-year-old girl in his Mount Airy home, is due in court today to argue pretrial motions, which include his request that dozens of the seized weapons be returned to him.
Eighty-seven weapons were seized from Tabassi's home, authorities said. An inventory list compiled by state police shows a variety of firearms, including handguns, rifles, semiautomatic weapons and shotguns.
Among the items that Tabassi wants back are an H&K submachine gun, a .40-caliber Glock handgun, a Remington 12-gauge shotgun, a Colt Combat Commander semiautomatic pistol, a .22-caliber Derringer and a Rossi .357-caliber Magnum."

http://www.sunspot.net/news/local/carroll/bal-ca.tabassi22dec22,0,4618825.story?coll=bal-local-carroll

[davidinalameda]

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