"You are too old to be alive anyway."

[liberalla]

An 82-year-old woman fights off an attacker in a Walmart parking lot.

This shit just makes me furious. The 29 yr old man grabs her cane and starts beating her with it. :grr:

82-year-old fights off attacker


SIERRA VISTA - An 82-year-old woman takes matters into her own hands after she's attacked in a Wal-Mart parking lot in Sierra Vista. Police said the suspect Stephen Prickett beat the woman with her own cane until she grabbed her gun from her purse and started firing.

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She said she was just walking to her car with some groceries when she was approached by the suspect. She said, "In a very mild voice he said, 'this is your day. You are too old to be alive anyway.'" Moments later she said he grabbed her cane and started beating her and she's got the bruises to prove it. She said, "I got boo boos where I didn't know I had a place to put boo boos."

She eventually went for the gun in her purse and opened fire. She didn't hit him but said it still saved her life. She said, "In the long run I think it saved me because if I hadn't shot the thing no one would have known there was anything wrong and come running." Wal-Mart employees came to her rescue and police weren't far behind.


more at: http://www.kvoa.com/news/82-year-old-fights-off-attacker/

Video of news story at link.


She's pretty banged up from what you can see (not showing her face). I hate to think what condition she'd be in if she hadn't had her gun with her.

[shadowrider]

1. Good for her. Too bad she missed.

[nebenaube]

3. Yeah,

because Wal-mart doesn't have security guards and their parking lots don't have cameras and are empty all the time :sarcasm:. I'm damn glad some beautiful child didn't get hit by a stray round.

[shadowrider]

9. When she's 82

And on the video she doesn't have the LOUD VOICE necessary to attract attention, not to mention in the process of saving her own life, the security guards would have been too late no matter how quickly they responded (did you see the bruises on her?). She was a minute or so away from dying.

As far as hitting someone else, I believe Arizona law would have held HIM responsible since it was HIM committing the crime resulting in death and/or injury. I may be mistaken.

Again, good for her, too bad she missed.

[brendan120678]

11. Yes, the attacker...

would likely have been charged with felony murder if a stray bullet from the woman's gun had struck a bystander.

[enlightenment]

21. Wow.

So, if someone was killed by a stray bullet - even a child - your concern is for who would be charged?

Fascinating.

[SteveM]

40. Now...

where did the poster you responded to indicate only concern for "who would be charged?" I pose the question again (as above to another poster): would you be as concerned if her fire had struck the HyperPunk?

BTW, in most states, the HyperPunk would have been charged with any deaths which resulted from the HyperPunk's activities. It is fortunate no innocent people were struck by the round, but the legal onus would have been on the HyperPunk.

[atreides1]

12. According to the woman.

"The victim said owning a gun isn't for everyone but added with the proper training it's a good idea particularly for elderly people like her that are becoming victim's more and more often."



Not all Wal-marts have security guards and the only cameras that are monitored constantly are those within the store, because they're concerned with shop lifter's, not what's happening in the parking lot.

[Callisto32]

22. Right, she should put her well-being in the hands of wally-world.

Or X restaurant, or X anyplace else. Nobody should ever do anything for their own survival, that's the role of the state after all.


It's for the children.

[nebenaube]

49. Everyone who shops there does...

I disagree with your snark. I support self-defense. I also think she wouldn't have had a problem if she hadn't been alone.

[pipoman]

52. Surely you aren't blaming the victim

I know many 80+ seniors. One of the problems with being 80 something is that all of your friends are dead.

[TheWraith]

32. Actually, where I live the Walmart doesn't have security guards or cameras in their lots.

They may barely have any security guards in the store itself. It's not profitable to spend money protecting your customers.

[PavePusher]

37. Are you actually trying to be willfully stupid?

Because that's sure what it sounds like.

I guess she should have just taken the beating. You know, for the children.

[nebenaube]

46. no..

are you fucking blind? hint --> :sarcasm: <--

[PavePusher]

50. Sorry, your post was a little difficult to parse.

You seemed to be saying that Ms. Citizen was being a danger to the public.

If that was not your intent, you have my apology.

[SteveM]

38. If the HyperPunk had been hit by a round, would you be as glad?

[nebenaube]

47. Sorry, not playing...

You seem to be reading impaired.

[SteveM]

51. Didn't think you would. Rather typical: throw out an insult, then leave. nt

[TPaine7]

41. You are more likely to be hit by a stray round if you happen to be near a police shooting

than if you happen to be near a civilian shooting. It's not even close.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x243633#243652

[proteus_lives]

48. Yeah, she just should called for help and taken her beating.

:puke:

[gorfle]

57. Apathy. Haven't you seen it?

Haven't you seen the recent beating where security guards stood by while a person was beaten by a gang of youths? The security guards, and the private company they worked for, stated that they are there not to intervene in crimes, but to observe and notify police.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHZZdV3woM0

In the above video a 15-year-old girl, who went to the security guards to protect her, was beaten, stomped, and robbed, right in front of them, while they did nothing.

Even when in a crowded place with lots of people around, often people just don't bother to help, as this video shows:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHKFRWHopTg

I'm damn glad some beautiful child didn't get hit by a stray round.

CCW permit holders are less likely to cause collateral damage than the police.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

19. It does seem the world would be a better place if she had killed him.

[old mark]

2. Old people are seen as easy targets for a lot of trash on our streets.

I am glad this woman had the means and the will to defend her life. Another law abiding gun owner.

mark

[midnight]

4. I would think those walmart parking lots would be filled with folks to help

this woman out?

[TheWraith]

33. Google search: "Kitty Genovese." nt

[Glassunion]

34. Or more recently...

Olga Romero
or http://abcnews.go.com/m/screen?id=8925672

In today's day and age, this still goes on... Just the players are different.

[TheCowsCameHome]

5. A real popcorn topic - guns and Wal-Mart

:popcorn:

Glad she's ok, anyway.

[pipoman]

53. Sure would be in GD/LBN.

[jody]

6. When attacked by a criminal and seconds count, police or only minutes or hours away. n/t

[ck4829]

7. Sounds like this woman stopped a wannabe serial killer

Good job. I think this guy was trying to make his first kill thinking an old woman would have been easy, she may have saved a lot of lives with her actions.

[safeinOhio]

8. Reason 2,975 to

avoid Wal-Marts. I hope she lawyers' up and goes after Wal-Mart.

[shadowrider]

10. You gotta be kidding

Do you have any idea how many places would go out of business if they were sued every time something happened in their parking lot?

WalMart, nor any other big store, strip mall, etc. can monitor who comes and goes from their parking lots. Want big brother? Just station security guards at the entrances to check "papers" on anyone entering.

In the end we are responsible for our own safety. The police are under no obligation to protect, but they are required to show up, outline your dead body, call the meat wagon and ATTEMPT to find who did it.

[safeinOhio]

15. "The police are under no obligation to protect"

That has nothing to do with Wal-Marts' obligation to provide a safe place for its' customers. Most large stores and malls have security and cameras that watch more than just shoplifters. I would guarantee that a lawsuit and more news about how unsafe Wal-Mart is for older people would cause the company to have patrols in the lots with cameras too. It takes a big kick in the ass to get them off of a dime and hire more people.

[shadowrider]

16. How about Target? Best Buy? KMart? Office Depot?

Home Depot, Lowe's, Sports Authority? Seems to me you're suggesting a lawsuit in search of a reason.

By the way, would you complain about increased prices to fund the extra security guards at these stores? Ain't nothin free and the consumer, eventually, pays for it.

On Edit: What happens when someone gets jumped in the parking lot, hits someone over the head with a bat or crowbar, kills them and gets away BEFORE the LIVE security guards see it or can get to the scene? Who would you sue then?

We are responsible for our own safety, security guards and police notwithstanding.

[safeinOhio]

20. Reasonable precautions

Just like trip and fall. If some one spills something and it is not cleaned up in a reasonable time, they become responsible. Shopping centers and other large box stores with large congested parking lots have at least cameras and during busy times patrols by private guards. Yes, I would pay more to shop in a safe place. I drive farther to shop in safe places too. I also pay more to shop at stores that pay their employs better, have unions and sell American made products. One of the best ways to being responsible for your own safety is to chose safe places to shop. Safety and security comes from way more than just carrying a gun. That helps, but is only a small part. Even though I carry, I try to not go places that I wouldn't if I wasn't armed.

[Callisto32]

24. Wal-Mart makes no guarantees of the individual safety from violence of their patrons.

By shopping there, you put yourself in public, where this stuff can happen.

It is called assumption of risk.

In EVERYTHING you do, you assume some level of risk.

Going into public places you at a huge amount of risk, just like driving. We don't think too much about it because it is so commonplace, but it is still there.

[shadowrider]

27. So if I were you

I'd travel to the safe places (I'm sure they have armed security in the parking lot), leave my gun at home just in case I need it and someone unfortunately gets shot while I'm getting my brains beat in with a bat and make sure I notify the armed guards through shouts I need assistance.

A LOT of people DON'T have the MEANS to travel to "safe" places like you do. They need to protect themselves when they venture out.

[GreenStormCloud]

31. Parking lot guards are NOT substitute police.

If they are armed, it is for their own protection, not yours. Further, crime can happen anywhere. There was a thread recently about a woman who was assaulted and robbed in an upscale store parking lot.

Neither is the store responsible for crime in the parking lot, or even in the store for that matter. The reason they aren't is for the same reason that cops aren't responible for you individual protection from crime.

[PavePusher]

39. What can a "security guard" do that I can not do for myself?

And how are you going to guarantee that the "security guard" has my protection in mind and not simply her/his own welfare?

[shadowrider]

54. I notice several questions

Have been put forth to this poster with no responses. I wonder why. Hmmm.

[Katya Mullethov]

55. Checking the locks

on their windows

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

56. I had a friend that was attacked at a well lit grocery store parking lot frequented by cops.

It seems a sex offender found something about her irresistable and decide to run her down with a shopping cart and then tried to throw her in the back of his van. She fought back and other people noticed and came to help. The attacker then fled the scene. That was the 3rd crime in that parking lot in the 12 years of it's existence. The other 2 incidents were domestic disputes.

[AtheistCrusader]

18. And what would they do, wave their radios at some miscreant?

Wal-Mart isn't going to hire armed guards. Nothing less would have been any use to this woman.

Your personal security is ultimately your responsibility. Subject of the OP took that to heart, and will live another day. Good for her.

[shadowrider]

26. .

:fistbump:

[Callisto32]

23. For what?

[dairydog91]

35. Please tell me you're joking.

Walmart employees did catch the guy, but it takes them some time to reach her. I'm guessing the Ted Bundy wannabe looked for a victim in an out of the way spot, and if she didn't have the gun, then it would only have taken a few minutes work to kill her.

[LiberalLoner]

13. Sheesh. Poor lady. I used to live in Sierra Vista.

[shadowrider]

14. So did I

I used to work at the Fort. Lived in the Oasis Apts. off 92.

[LiberalLoner]

43. Cool, I was stationed at Ft. Huachuca from 91-94

[ensho]

17. a lot of people hate seniors - even family members hate their seniors

can't wait to shovel them off to nursing homes, etc.

can't wait to take their valuables.

[Callisto32]

25. There should be a term for this.

"Catastrophic failure of the victim selection process," or something like that. Make it sound official.

Good on her. Hopefully the prick gets himself caught.

[shadowrider]

29. He was caught

$500,000 bond

[Katya Mullethov]

28. How about her 80 year old male counterpart ?

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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6c0_1203151776

80-Year-Old Texan Roughs Up Attackers
Two alleged burglars got more than what they bargained for when they attacked an 80-year-old man in Texas.

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The little ragamuffins , bless their hearts , they came in , fists flying , stabbing him about the head and face . After a few moments or so he made the educated guess that they might be out to harm him . Apparently he has since procured something chambering a more appropriate cartridge ,with suitable energy for the largest of our indigenous rodents .

[shadowrider]

30. LOL

Sounded like he was gonna say he has "fifteen" bullets. The man got a semi-auto. Good for him.

[Bold Lib]

36. "You goons carry guns becuase you are too chicken to fight like a man, thats why." Um yeah, ok.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x302194#302349

Since it's SOOOO likely to be deleted here is the whole thing.

cabluedem (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-16-10 01:51 AM
Response to Reply #31
41. You goons carry guns becuase you are too chicken to fight like a man, thats why.

[SteveM]

42. Yeah, I read that saddle stink, too. A reminder of what gun-control has become. nt

[armueller2001]

44. Wait, you mean he didn't

take her gun away and use it on her? I thought that was what always happens when a woman uses a gun for self defense!!

[oneshooter]

45. No. He was too busy trying not to get shot! n/t