"Anchorage man kills neighbor's Chihuahua with shotgun"

[Arctic Dave]

A long-standing neighborhood conflict over roaming dogs escalated when a 74-year-old man fired a shotgun out a window of his home, killing a loose Chihuahua and landing himself in jail on criminal charges, according to police.

Read more: http://www.adn.com/2010/03/18/1190035/anchorage-man-kills-neighbors.html#ixzz0ieJRBUEg

:popcorn:

Let me know what you think.

[Hoopla Phil]

1. I'll tell you what I think.

The only reason I have not done the same on several occasions is that I did not want to end up like him. I have set up a trap in my back yard though and had animal control come out to take animals (both dogs and cats) away.

[Taverner]

2. Um yeah, I'll pretend I didn't read that

[Hoopla Phil]

4. You don't have to. When people cannot take care of their pets someone

else will end up taking care of them, one way or another. If they were not in my back yard then they would not have been trapped in my cage and not made a trip with animal control. If they have proper tags then the owner will receive a call to come pick them up and pay the fine. That's just the way it works.

[Taverner]

5. OK well I'm glad you're willing to defend yourself against RUTHLESS CHIHUAHUAS

And if someone shot at my dog, you can bet I'd be shooting too, but not at animals...

And the funny thing - I wouldn't do a day of time. Self defense and all

[Hoopla Phil]

9. I never said anything about "RUTHLESS CHIHUAHUAS". I do however know

the annoyance that the little shits are to people that are not their owners. Bark constantly, get into trash, dig up gardens, leave little "land minds" at exactly the right locations, etc. If you cannot keep that dog out of my back yard then animal control will get it. The owner pays the fine or doesn't get the dog back.

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[cowman]

15. And your macho

comment about wanting to whip out a gun and blowing YOU away makes us gun owners look bad.

[Taverner]

18. Hey - family threatened, what else would you do?

You would do the same thing if some psycho pulled up in a truck and started blowing your dogs away

[AtheistCrusader]

If someone shot your dog in THEIR yard, you would hardly be justified in attacking them.

In fact, we have precedent here in WA. Someone killed his neighbors dog, neighbor flipped out, tried kicking down his door, dog-killer shot him through the door. Self-defense. Case closed.

[Taverner]

24. The US has some of the stupidest self defense precedents on the books

We are the only country that gives out the privilege to shoot anyone for any reason as long as they are on your "PROPERTAY"

IN Europe, you have to PROVE self defense. The same should be the case here.

[AtheistCrusader]

28. It's not the case across the country.

In WA, you have to be in reasonable fear of imminent harm. (Dog killer quite obviously had reason to be afraid)

In some states, I agree, the Castle Doctrine isn't perfect. I assume it will be adjusted at some point in the future.

[RaleighNCDUer]

39. He had reason to be afraid?

Which one had the gun?

[AtheistCrusader]

53. The guy who killed the gun.

Killed his neighbors dog (poisoned it). Neighbor comes over and tries to kick in his door, probably to beat the tar out of him. Dog killer shoots him through the door.

[Hoopla Phil]

32. I disagree with that. The US has some of the most progressive self defense

laws on the books. And just so you know, self defense is not a privilege given by the government it is a right. And also, you cannot "shoot anyone for any reason as long as they are on your 'PROPERTAY". But I guess facts and the law do not sit well with your emotional state.

[Taverner]

35. Castle Law

Look it up. Seriously - and I wonder how many spouses were offed by the other in "self defense"

[benEzra]

77. The Castle Doctrine allows you to use potentially deadly force...

to stop an illegal forcible entry, i.e. someone kicking in your door or forcing entry on your window. It does not allow shooting someone because they are on your property.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Doctrine_in_the_United_States

In general, one (sometimes more) of a variety of conditions must be met before a person can legally use the Castle Doctrine:

* An intruder must be making (or have made) an attempt to unlawfully and/or forcibly enter an occupied home, business or car.
* The intruder must be acting illegally—e.g. the Castle Doctrine does not give the right to attack officers of the law acting in the course of their legal duties
* The occupant(s) of the home must reasonably believe that the intruder intends to inflict serious bodily harm or death upon an occupant of the home
* The occupant(s) of the home must reasonably believe that the intruder intends to commit some other felony, such as arson or burglary
* The occupant(s) of the home must not have provoked or instigated an intrusion, or provoked or instigated an intruder to threaten or use deadly force
* The occupant(s) of the home may be required to attempt to exit the house or otherwise retreat (this is called the "Duty to retreat" and most self-defense statutes referred to as examples of "Castle Doctrine" expressly state that the homeowner has no such duty)

[Taverner]

42. Self defense is such an ambiguous term

It's like saying you have a right to "freedom" or "liberty"

[paulsby]

79. and europe has some of the stupidest precedents on the book

here's a hint. we aren't subjects. the govt. does not "give out the privilege" of self defense

the govt. RECOGNIZES it as a natural right.

[cowman]

27. Nobody is

talking about someone pulling up to your yard and shooting your dogs, they're talking about dogs running loose in the neighborhood, I myself wouldn't shoot unless the animal was threatening me or someone else

[Hoopla Phil]

29. Pets are not people. And now you are changing the terms of the contact. Who

really is the psycho here? You are the one threatening another D.U. member here.

[Taverner]

31. Dude I'm not threatening YOU

Don't even think I am - my hypothetical character is threatening your hypothetical character.

Now be nice or I'll take all my hypothetical toys home

[Hoopla Phil]

33. Um, yes you did. I got to go for a few minutes now my dog is asking to go

for a walk. So do you think I should just let her run free in the neighborhood or use the leash?

[Taverner]

34. Whatever, I did not threaten you. Mods pulled the post so we can't see

So we'll never know

[Taverner]

37. I think what we gots here is a misunderstanding

If you felt I was threatening you - I'm sorry

I wasn't trying to do so

[Hoopla Phil]

63. We're cool. nt

[AtheistCrusader]

54. What do your state/county/city laws tell you?

In my county, better use a leash.

[Hoopla Phil]

23. Oh so "manly" of you. The testosterone is so full with this one.

You do understand that pets are property don't you? (well maybe not) Shooting someone (or attempting to Ha Ha Ha) for shooting property is unlawful deadly force. Better be a better trained CHL holder than I too. Somehow I doubt it. LMFAO!!!

[dashrif]

46. every

thursday before work I defend my trash cans from dogs with my son's red ryder people dump dogs off all the time around my house and they have to be thinned out every now again two years ago my jack russel had to have 150 stitches and my basset had 25 last year on one of her ears that adds up
quick

[AtheistCrusader]

16. I don't think you quite grasp how self defense works.

I'm not a fan of handing everyone's pets over to animal control all the time, but for instance, where I live, roaming dogs are fair game. (Edit: to trap/detain for animal control, NOT shoot) If it's not in your yard, it better be on a leash.

And naturally, there are reasons for it, for instance, safety issues. I've had to jam on my brakes or swerve to avoid someone's fido, that was out roaming the streets illegally. Good thing I didn't make a mistake and swerve into something worse. Sooner or later, I'm going to end up in a position where fluffy is going to HAVE to go under my tyres, because there's a kid or something on the road.

I also don't appreciate cats and dogs tearing up my garden. That's a food supply. I WANT the birds in there eating the bugs. Usually I can shoo away cats, but if it becomes a problem, I may have to trap them for animal control too.

Gotta do what you gotta do. I protect the birds because they are valuable to me agriculturally. Some people protect birds because certain species are protected, and fluffy shouldn't be out eating them.

[Taverner]

22. Preacher - Choir

I agree with everything you said

But My problem is with the guy who wanted to BLOW AWAY dogs for being out the yard.

calling animal control? Awesome!

Setting up cat traps and calling their owners to get chewed out and pick up their cats? Awesome!

Whipping out a gun and killing dogs? Bad idea

That's my problem with the post

[AtheistCrusader]

25. Understood.

Knowing the poster you were responding to, I think it was mostly a misunderstanding.

[dashrif]

47. what

about if you have livestock or other dogs that they are after, we had a 65 year old woman killed three years ago not to far from my house by a pack of dogs. http://adaeveningnews.com/homepage/x212595853/Woman-killed-during-dog-attac

[paulsby]

80. i had a call like this the other day

lady had vicious dogs come on to her property and kill some animals (she ran a rescue shelter) and bite one of her donkeys.

she absolutely would have been legally justified in shooting

and of course, unfortunately, the DOG suffers because the owner lets it run free

[Arctic Dave]

3. Ferocious chihuahua shot in city limits. News at five. n/t

[Hoopla Phil]

6. Not too sure why you responded to me as that didn't really say anything. But a

little chihuahua makes for a prime trap candidate. LOL.

[Arctic Dave]

26. Yes they do. Shooting a gun inside city limits is a big no-no.

This guy is going to lose a lot of money and his guns.

[Mike K]

75. Shit!

[rcrush]

7. old people...

Ought to lock them up somewhere.

[Arctic Dave]

41. Send them Arizona and dress them in funny clothes.

Then tell them they have to play golf.

[AtheistCrusader]

8. Overkill.

Probably just could have dropped a phone book out the window on it.

[Hoopla Phil]

10. OK, I really did lol at that comment.

[Arctic Dave]

14. Throw an old shoe at it.

[ManiacJoe]

21. Or sent my cat to deal with it.

:evilgrin:

[cowman]

36. Hell

my pet sparrow could probably kick its ass

[Dogmudgeon]

12. You just wanted an excuse to make some popcorn, didn'tja?

:evilgrin:

:popcorn:

:brush_and_floss:

--d!

[dashrif]

13. Fake

no one has a chihuahua in Alaska now if it was a malamute or husky I would believe it :sarcasm:

[Arctic Dave]

19. You have never heard of Bernie Carl?

He wanted run the Iditarod with a hundred chihuahuas.

[dashrif]

48. I heard

something about a chihuahua running the race but got frostbite and could not finnish but I think that guy just had one in his team

[Arctic Dave]

49. BC is a local "character" in the Fairbanks area.

Crazy like like a fox. Maybe crazier then a fox.

[dashrif]

50. was that him? n/t

[Arctic Dave]

51. Not sure. Let me look into it. n/t

[dashrif]

52. it was years ago 2002 2003 maybe

[katandmoon]

17. The Chihauhua was coming for his gun.

[Arctic Dave]

20. He could have mangled a toe or something.

[cowman]

30. Your an

idiot

[katandmoon]

56. "Your an"? Apparently the third grade didn't take with you.

[cowman]

66. well

I'm so glad to be ? by someone as astute as you:sarcasm:

[AtheistCrusader]

55. And he got it too!

Well, one end of it anyway.

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[AtheistCrusader]

59. If you thought that was a seriouspost, you need your sarcasm detector adjusted.

Annoying dogs do not excuse cruelty to animals. You'd be surprised how much I give to the Humane Society every year.

[Yeahyeah]

38. Sarah Palin's parents want to add its hide to the wall of their "Chihuahua Room"

http://farm4.static.flickr.com.nyud.net:8080/3161/2855744256_165f39c42c.jpg

[Arctic Dave]

40. Them chihuahuas are good eatin.

[spin]

43. Any time Alaska is mentioned a Sarah Palin joke is required. (n/t)

[Liberal_in_LA]

44. unacceptable behavior

[Arctic Dave]

45. Agree. He will lose quite a bit over this. Gun privileges being one.

[eqfan592]

74. "gun rights being one of them."

There, fixed that for you. Driving is a privilege. Keeping and bearing arms is a right.

[jody]

58. Classic line "8-pound male dog and an insurmountably larger female"

insurmountably!
German Shorthaired female versus a male Chihuahua

[Arctic Dave]

60. Apparently chihuahuas like their girls big. Just sayin.

[X_Digger]

61. Thank goodness it wasn't a doxie..

Nothing's safe from them..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xvp4xY5amxI

*warning, graphic in a barnyard fashion..

[hex29a]

62. Check out this comment under that little video clip

kobidobidog (3 months ago) Show Hide

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"A tiger humped a Rottweiler female dog.I would prefer what ever was warm that stayed with me communicating in the way of the particular species would saying they want sex. I would love to have sex with a large smooth Great Dane or German wire hair, their eyes are wonderful to look at. They have wonderful expressions on their faces,Great Pyrenees, golden retriever, wanting me pushing her backside into my sexual organs. I have read storys after story how wonderful having sex with a dog is."

[TPaine7]

64. Was that really necessary?!!!!!!!! n/t

[hex29a]

67. Absolutely not.

:D

[GreenStormCloud]

71. I used to have a tomcat that tried to hump everything in sight, including the dogs.

One dog was an elderly golden retriever that ignored the cat's attentions. The other was a miniature chihuahua that suffered greatly from the cat's abuse of it.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

65. I think if it were one of my dogs he'd be glad he was in jail.

[safeinOhio]

68. What about freedom to bare dogs?

It's getting late.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

78. Don't you mean "bear"?

[TPaine7]

69. It seems pepper spray would be more humane, while also being very effective at persuading a dog to

stay out of your yard or away from you.

[jody]

70. Haven't you overlooked the heated nature of the incident?

[Arctic Dave]

72. If it works on bears I think it could work on a horny chihuahua. :)

[Abq_Sarah]

73. Two assholes = 1 dead dog

Mueller was wrong in shooting a little dog that wasn't posing a threat to another human, his dog or livestock.

Glasgow is a freaking idiot for stating Mueller was at fault for allowing a female dog in heat to be outside. If the dumbass had kept an eye on his dog at all times, it wouldn't be an issue.

[Mike K]

76. A BB-gun -

- would quietly have solved this fellow's problem without killing anything or making anyone cry. Pop an unwanted stray pet in the ass with a BB and it won't be back.