Preliminary approval for carrying concealed weapon without permit

[Swede]

What could possibly go wrong?


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Currently, carrying a concealed weapon in the state without a permit is a misdemeanor punishable by up to six months in jail and a fine of up to $2,500.

By eliminating the permit requirement, Arizonans no longer would have to undergo background checks and take training classes to carry hidden guns.

http://www.azfamily.com/outbound-feeds/yahoo-news/Preliminary-approval-for-carrying-concealed-weapon-without-permit-88963872.html

[Walk away]

1. Would that mean that a person from Arizona could come into my..

relatively gun free neighborhood in New Jersey carrying a gun? Are you serious? If you people want to shoot each other at Starbucks in your own state, be my guest.

Forcing your guns on people who don't want them could turn out to be a really bad idea for you.

[gorfle]

2. No.

All this law under consideration would do is allow citizens in Arizona to carry a concealed weapon without a permit. Vermont has similar laws.

This has nothing to do with New Jersey.

[cowman]

3. Don't worry

it only applies to AZ residents.

[PavePusher]

5. Get a grip.

This only affects people within the borders of Arizona. The really scary part is that you could then come here and conceal your weapon without a permit for the duration of your stay. Oh, the horrors! I wouldn't trust a New Jerseyite with a gun as far a I could throw 'em.

Oddly enough, the same has been the law in Alaska for a number of years, and in Vermont since the founding of the nation. Neither state has nearly as much of a crime problem as your "relatively gun free <state of> New Jersey", so quit the drama-queen act.

[virginia mountainman]

8. LOL..."Gun Free neighborhood in New Jersey"....

ROFLMAO!!!!!!

[friendly_iconoclast]

17. "..relatively gun free neighborhood" means they don't open carry.

I've got family in Jersey, and that got me laughing too.

[Euromutt]

11. Extraterritorial rights are kind of out of fashion

As a U.S. citizen visiting Thailand, for example, you are not exempt from a law that prohibits a certain activity in Thailand (e.g. criticizing the king) even though it's not illegal back home.

Similarly, if you're a resident of one state, you are not exempt from laws of other states while in those states. To compare, California does not recognize any other state's concealed carry permits, and does not issue permits to non-residents, so there is no way for a private citizen not resident in California to legally carry concealed in California, no matter how many different states that person is licensed to carry in.

ETA: the worst shooting incident that ever occurred at a Starbucks was in Washington DC in 1997 (long before Heller), when three employees were murdered in a botched armed robbery.

[Glassunion]

18. Used to be a Jersey Boy...

I did not love it, so I left it.

I have to admit, the law has done a very good job at keeping the guns out of people's hands. They have simple rules in NJ as far as CCW goes.
Here is a list of who can and cannot get a CCW in NJ...

CAN get a CCW
Police
Friends of the Police
Relatives of the Police
Judges
Friends of Judges
Relatives of Judges
Council Members
Friends of Council Members
Relatives of Council Members
Very Wealthy White People

MIGHT Be able to get a CCW
Private Investigators (PI friend of mine spent over $4,000 in legal fees to get the permit)
Really Really Wealthy Black People, being a celebrity helps
Wealthy White People
Personal Security (Is easier if they work for Very Wealthy White People)

CANNOT get a CCW
Average Income White People with Perfectly Clean Criminal Records
Black People regardless of Clean Criminal Records and Income Level.
Any other minority group
Me

If you want a gun... All you need is about 1/2 an hour and about $300. None of that pesky paperwork or background checks.



Gun laws in the state are not the only issue that the state has with elitism. Education, construction, health services, ect... Are all areas where there is a huge black line drawn between the "haves" and the "have nots".

New Jersey, the state tree is an orange road cone, state bird is the yellow-backed rubber-necker.

New Jersey, brought to you by your friends at The Mob™ NLC.

Am I bitter? Perhaps. Will I ever return? NEVAR!!!

You can keep your "relatively gun free neighborhood(s)". It seems to be working out well in Camden. 4x worse than Philly. There must be some sort of magical powers in the Delaware River that keeps the crime rate 4x lower on one side than the other. Amazing.

[safeinOhio]

4. does it include felons?

Those with PPOs and pissed off wife in middle of divorce? What next, no driver license?

I'm sure there must be some catches.

[PavePusher]

6. Of course it does not include felons.

This stuff is very easy to look up, you know.

You can start on the Arizona page of opencarry.org.

[GreenStormCloud]

7. Federal law takes care of the felons, etc.

Details here: http://www.azcentral.com/news/election/azelections/articles/2010/03/23/20100323guns-bill-arizona.html

[Euromutt]

10. If you can't legally possess the gun, you can't legally carry it

Thus, persons prohibited from owning a firearm under federal (and possibly state) law, such as convicted felons, persons adjudicated "mentally deficient," convicted of domestic violence misdemeanors or subject to TROs/PPOs will not be able to legally carry, for the very simple reason they can't legally possess a firearm at all.

Kind of obvious when you think about it, isn't it?

[mvccd1000]

9. Mis-stated subject line in OP

Should have read, "Preliminary approval for untucking shirt or putting on a jacket when the evening cools off."

Arizona is already an open carry state. Any non-prohibited possessor (felon, etc.) can already openly carry a holstered firearm with no registration, no permit, no license, no fee, no government "permission slip."

The only thing these bills would do is allow me to put on a jacket if the weather cools off.

FYI, for those of you worried about the lack of a permit, the permit system is still in place and permits would be available for those who would like them for things like:
- additional training on the laws
- reciprocity with other states that recognize Arizona CCWs
- bypassing the NCIS background check when purchasing a firearm from a FFL
- carrying concealed in an establishment that serves alcohol
- receiving your permission slip from the government to exercise your "rights"




PS - to answer the OP's question, "What could possibly go wrong?" I'd say not much more than currently goes wrong with our "no permit/no registration" open carry laws. What were you expecting to go wrong?

[PavePusher]

12. Oh Dear Gaawd.....!!

It... It'll turn into... Vermont! Or, or... Alaska...!

You know, where the blood runs in the streets and they have to hose down the sidewalks every weekend... Or something.

[shadowrider]

13. Don't forget the massive overtime requirements

For fire departments to hose that blood down, and the resulting tax increases to pay for it.

[SsevenN]

14. OMG the horror!

Permitless carry?!?!?!?!? I mean, there will be THE BLOOD OF CHILDREN RUNNING IN THE STREETS. I mean, just look at Alaska and Vermont, they are like the crime capitals of America!

What we need is more unconstitutional bans like Chicago has and DC had, I mean, they're like the safest places right?

:sarcasm:

[Walk away]

21. Alaska and Vermont are mostly rural backwaters.

It feels so republican, teabaggy militia when people use obviously inappropriate comparisons to make their points. But I'm sure you are all good Democrats and vote that way as well.

[eqfan592]

23. You'd know all about feelin teabaggy, now wouldn't you, Walk away?

You've got an apparently close relationship with the sensation, based off of your usual behavior on these boards. Must make you feel damn proud.

[PavePusher]

24. Vermont, tea-baggy? Seriously?

Try not to be stupid. Try hard.

[slackmaster]

15. I openly carried a loaded .45 caliber pistol during my recent drive into the Zone and back

It's no big deal there.

[friendly_iconoclast]

16. What could go wrong? A sudden spike in Subaru sales...

...An inexplicable desire for winter sports...artisanal cheeses...large numbers of Zonies becoming fond of jam bands...a socialist elected to Congress...

All these terrible things occur in Vermont, which has permit-free concealed carry.

FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY, DON'T LET THIS HAPPEN TO YOU, ARIZONA!

[GMBshootingclubM60]

19. been the law in Vermont for 200 years. No permit.

No restrictions for concealed carry. Safest state in the nation.

States bordering Vermont, NY and Assachusetts have crime and gun control.

Dr. Howard Dean, cardiologist, would be president today if it weren't for antigun nuts forcing him to swallow gun control in order to run in a national campaign.

[Walk away]

20. Vermont barely has a full time population and you are comparing...

it to NY and Massachusetts? Who is the real Assachusettes?

[cowman]

22. Ah yes

and the name calling begins from the antis, gun control as an issue is dead, get over it, the SCOTUS is about to stick a fork in it.

We all know what a gun free paradise NJ is because of its restrictive gun laws, Oh wait, no its not

[PavePusher]

25. Bigotry on display. Thanks for your input.

P.S. About half a million people now know you are full of low-grade natural fertilizer. Please cease your public self-fornication.

[depakid]

26. Of course they are- they're extremists

Reasonable regulation of the objects of their obsession is offensive to the pathology.

[jazzhound]

27. Euromutt said...."If you can't legally possess the gun you can't carry it."

"Thus, persons prohibited from owning a firearm under federal (and possibly state) law, such as convicted felons, persons adjudicated "mentally deficient," convicted of domestic violence misdemeanors or subject to TROs/PPOs will not be able to legally carry, for the very simple reason they can't legally possess a firearm at all.

Kind of obvious when you think about it, isn't it?"

When has thought on this issue ever been prized by the antis?