The gun show loophole is closed!

[RoeBear]

Let's pretend that a law is passed that closes the 'gunshow loophole'.
Either private sellers aren't allowed to sell their guns at a gunshow or some manner of allowing private sellers access to the NICs system is allowed for use at a gunshow.

What happens next? First of all we can assume that crime will plummet precipitously because obviously criminals will no longer be able to purchase guns. Then most gun control groups will fold because their main mission will be accomplished.

But still I wonder. Won't private sellers still want to sell their guns if they aren't allowed to at gun shows? How will they do that? Is there a chance that criminals might attempt to buy guns from this new method that private sellers will try to exploit? What will anti-gun groups do then? I wonder.

[velocity]

1. IMHO, Most real sellers do not want to sell to criminals or felons

So all that really has to be done is allow access to NICs at gun shows.

Now that is just my opinion.

[kalian]

2. The gunshow loophole HAS BEEN closed for quite some time....

have you folks EVER been to a gunshow...? Have you EVER noticed
while there that there are tables where background checks are
conducted...?

Criminals do NOT go to gunshows for weapons...they either steal
them from homes (number one source IMHO) or they obtain them through
"other channels".

[waylon]

4. not where i live

http://ww2.americansforgunsafety.com/the_issues_gun_loop.asp

[kalian]

5. How old is that article....?

I live in a repuke, very pro-gun city (Colorado Springs) and
background checks are done religiously (pun intended). Most vendors
will not sell you a gun unless you have the BC done prior to the
sales transaction.

Sorry...this is all bs. I'm sick and tired of the anti-gun stance
as well.

[CO Liberal]

10. I Live Down The Road From You, In Pueblo West

Most vendors will not sell you a gun unless you have the BC done prior to the sales transaction.

It should be NO vendors making sales without background checks. Actually, IMHO no gun should EVER change hands without a background check.

BTW, your home town has more than its share of gun loonies, like the guy who carried his shotgun in to city council meetings, that idiot "Ron" who phones in to Sean Hannity's program several times a week, and the imbecile who runs the Rocky Mountain Firearms Coalition. Not to mention brain-dead politicials like Betty Beedy and Joel "The Combover" Hefley.

[demsrule4life]

11. "Ron" who phones in to Sean Hannity's program several times a week

and you know this how? :)

[CO Liberal]

12. Because I Hear Him

And I've been sparring with this clown on local talk shows for years now. He's a walking example of the need for effective gun control.

And possibly retroactive birth control.......

[demsrule4life]

13. Early last year my wife spent 60 days there

trying to fix the commissary at Peterson AFB, she gave up and came home. Problem with Colorado Springs is to many retired air force officers. A whole different breed than other officers.

[CO Liberal]

14. I Hear You

I work for one of the major defense contractors - I used to work for another. The area is LOUSY with retired AF brass.

BTW, I'm considered a rarity in defense contracting - a non-veteran, liberal Democrat.

[MrSandman]

15. No licensed dealer will without

risking major felony charges. There are not that many individual sellers outside the curio class.

[Wcross]

8. Why the lies?

"An undercover federal agent watched Boumelhem buy one of the guns -- an M-16 -- at a Michigan gun show without undergoing a background check."

http://ww2.americansforgunsafety.com/the_issues_terror.asp

It is against the law to transfer an m-16 without a background check. It is a full auto weapon subject to the 200 dollar federal tax and a class 3 background check. Unless the gun was stolen the owner would have to account for the weapon at some point. Only a fool would try to unload a stolen class 3 weapon at a gunshow. AGS is full of crap.

[waylon]

3. I dont agree

Crime will not plummet, at all! Most of the guns criminals get are not from gun shows. Having lived in San Diego, I know how easy it is to buy very cheap guns that come across the border. The irony is, guns are illegal in Mexico. But, they are readily available and usually much cheaper, in all senses, than what you find at gun shows. Also, stolen guns are much more common than legally purchased guns. Finally, there are people willing to sell guns without the federal check. Sell the gun, report it as stolen, collect the insurance.

Im not sure this loophole is any real loophole. Might prevent a few criminals from getting guns, but I dont think it will do anything to reduce crime.

[Ready4Change]

6. Flawed assumption

I do support closing the gun show loophole. I just think we should have a more realistic set of expections about the results. The use of guns in crimes won't "plummet precipitously." We'll just make illegitimate and stolen guns more valuable to criminals, and perhaps create a strong blackmarket in illegally imported weapons.

It's like the war on drugs. As long as people have wanted drugs any attempts to reduce the amount of drugs available have failed. Swap the word "drugs" for guns and that statement still applies.

[MrSandman]

7. Criminals and sellers would meet at

the "Gun show" and arrange for a sale in the dark of night. LOL

[mikehiggins]

9. Criminals buy their guns at gunshows?

You're kidding right? Being sarcastic?

First of all, criminals buy their guns from other criminals, guys who have access to various stocks of weapons, including those confiscated by various police departments across the US. Otherwise, they steal them from other sources, such as guns found in homes or hijacked shipments. You can get some really nice 9mm. Beretta automatics many places near National Guard armories, etc.

Closing "loopholes" has no effect on criminals whatsoever.

As to gun control groups shutting down, that's also a joke, right? Most gun control groups will not be satisfied until the only people in the US with legal firearms are police and private security guards. Any weapon in private hands are potentially harmful, as they cast an evil aura over those around them causing their hapless victims to commit crimes.

No guns equals peace and prosperity for all!

If gun possession is criminalised, only criminals will possess guns.