How to spot a hidden handgun

[hack89]

Pretty cool graphics

http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=0002w4&topic_id=1

[Jane Austin]

1. Very cool!

Thanks.

[shadowrider]

2. Anyone that carries a gun tucked into their waistband

And not in a holster deserves to get their johnson shot off.

[X_Digger]

3. Or an extra hole in their backside. n/t

[one-eyed fat man]

11. Holster use

One of the other tip-offs that WAS not mentioned is that those who are carrying a concealed handgun ILLEGALLY rarely use a holster. The reason bad guys simply stick a gun in a pocket or waist band is so they can dump the gun if they think they need to and not have any "eyebrow-raising" empty holster on their belt or person.

Another technique for carrying a gun illegally is to put it in a paper sack, like a fast food bag. It is reasonably accessible but allows for it to be casually tossed in a trashcan without necessarily causing suspicion. The use of a 'mule' is also popular. By having a female companion stick the gun in their purse, the gun is close by and she is wittingly or unwittingly the one at risk of arrest.

Detectives, plain-clothes officers, and others who professionally, routinely, and legally carry concealed handguns tend to use high quality holsters and gun belts so things stay put, don't shift around, fall out while running, and out of deference to the risk of blowing holes in their nether regions by adopting the Mexican carry, AKA Plaxico Burris technique. In addition, by virtue of either a CCW or a badge, anyone legally carrying a gun can usually satisfy all but the most obtuse Mall ninja.

[shadowrider]

12. Plastic bags

Are also used in drive-by shootings. The bad guy will wrap the gun in a plastic grocery bag and pull it up over the wrist. This way, they can fire and the bag catches the casings leaving no evidence that can be forensically used to match casing to gun.

[spin]

16. If the bad guy's hand is inside the bag ...

he could get some nasty burns from the hot brass. If I was a bad guy I would just use a brass catcher or a revolver.

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[OneTenthofOnePercent]

4. How to spot a concealed handgun... an easier method:

Pick 35 people at random. Statistically, one of them will have a permit to carry a concealed handgun.

[cavscouty]

27. yep

I like it.

[noamnety]

5. I was expecting this:

[AtheistCrusader]

6. Since when does a revolver have more weight in the grip, than the upper?

An autoloader, particularly with a double stack of ammo, sure, but a revolver is 'barrel heavy', not 'handle heavy'

Otherwise interesting info.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

17. Yeah, I noticed that too. Guy probably has never handled a revolver in his life.

Another "published expert" :eyes:

[cabluedem]

7. good advice. if you see a person like these a call should be made to 911 in CA. permits are rare.

[paulsby]

8. fortunately, in WA state, seeing a gun print is NOT reasonable suspicion

for even a terry stop

[Callisto32]

9. Yeah

"Hey, I saw a guy walking funny, like he has something heavy in his pocket." "I think It might be a gun."

"What makes you say that?"

"I told you, he was walking funny."

I'm sure they'll come right out.

The information is good for you, but chances are the guy would be long gone before police arrive, even if they could get away with a Terry search.

[jeepnstein]

10. That sounds like a good project for you.

Have at it.

[Glassunion]

18. "permits are rare."

If anything like the rarity in NJ, then they are elitist.

[PavePusher]

38. One should only call 911 if there is evidence that actual criminal acts are in progress.

Many rural areas in California are musch less restrictive of Citizens rights than the cities. Mere suspicion of exercising a Civil Right is not valid justification for alerting police.

But of course, you have issues with freedom and liberty.

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[GKirk]

14. That link has...

...lots of interesting info in it. Did you know that sheep are the least
expensive way to keep your lawn trimmed?

[chibajoe]

15. I don't know how much a sheep costs,

but I would imagine it isn't less than a used lawn mower...;)

[tburnsten]

24. Can't eat a lawn mower when it's at the end of it's useful life, or make sweaters out of it

[Glassunion]

26. Ha!

[safeinOhio]

39. I'd rather eat a lawnmower than

a sheep about to die of old age. Big difference in mutton and lamb.

[tburnsten]

41. No reason you can't take meat quality into account

when estimating its lifespan.

I don't mean eat it after it keels over dead of old age, just let it do its thing for five years or so and then turn the poor boy into delicious dinners for a few months or so.

[Mike K]

19. This advisory presumes that -

- all concealed firearms are full size revolvers.




Bad mistake.



This is a .22 magnum derringer (2-shot) in its wallet holster. Visually undetectable because it is carried in a back pocket like an ordinary wallet. And .22 magnum (hollow point) at close range is a nasty little bullet to be hit in the face or the belly with.

[RamboLiberal]

20. Lots of little .380 and other pistols & revolvers out there now

And some very clever holsters that can be really deeply concealed.

[Glassunion]

21. Yep...

This can fit into a shirt or pants pocket... LCP 380

[GreenStormCloud]

22. I like this type of holster.

The pictured gun is a Kel-Tec P3AT, identical to a Ruger LCP. The leather shield goes to the outside and it prints as a wallet.

[Glassunion]

23. Ummm

That is a Ruger... Just sayin'... It says "Ruger" on it and it has the Ruger stamp on the grip. Just sayin'.

[tburnsten]

25. Awww, that one clearly says "Ruger" on the grip

And has the Ruger logo.

Those tricky Ruger cloners, they fooled even you. Kel-Tec should have sued them and won by now.

[GreenStormCloud]

30. You're right. I need to start wearing my glasses more when I am online. N/T

[Glassunion]

31. To your credit...

They do look a lot alike.

[tburnsten]

33. But I'm wrong for not reading the post before mine, which already caught it

[Katya Mullethov]

28. I need to get one of them in the worst way

I got a bad case of KelTec pocket on all of my work jeans from a nylon holster .It looks just like SKOAL pocket only it's in the shape of a P3AT . Maybe I can splatter some acid on them sell em on ebay .

[Mike K]

34. This is another little one -

- that can be carried in a pocket when jogging -- in the hand when walking through a parking lot at night -- etc.



Caliber: .22 Magnum
Capacity: 5
Material: 17-4 pH stainless steel
Barrel Length: 1 1/8"
Overall Length: 4 3/4"
Overall Height: 2 7/8"
Width: 7/8"
Weight: 5.9 oz. unloaded
Suggested Retail Price: $214.00
North American Arms Part Number: NAA-22MS

While it's not as effective as a .38 it is 100% more effective than no gun at all.

[GreenStormCloud]

35. I like the folding handles that come with some models.

[east texas lib]

36. I've seen a very similar pistol that clips to a belt buckle...

One night out on a drilling rig many years ago one of the roughnecks had a cool looking belt buckle on that I assumed was merely decorative. It was a small silver oval about the size of your hand with a small pistol "carved" in the front. I said "Larry, that's a neat little buckle." .Grinning, he said "You like that?" and before I could answer he removed the fully functional pistol from the buckle and fired it. Very educational.

[benEzra]

37. That'd probably be one of these two:

http://www.naaminis.com/lr_custcry.html



I used to own a NAA mini-revolver like that, though I didn't own that "holster". I sold it to fund the purchase of an antique bolt-action, but sort of regret selling it now.

[safeinOhio]

40. On that single action, I'd carry with the

hammer on an empty cylinder. Can be dangerous when dropped. Have been looking at them and may get one.

[tburnsten]

42. They have safety notches between cylinders

[safeinOhio]

43. So, hammer rest on notch

not on round? I'll need to look into that. Being a single action, I'd have no problem with an empty cylinder for resting the hammer when carrying. One would need to "cock" it by pulling hammer back to fire.

[shadowrider]

44. There is safety built into the revolvers

That being said, I don't wish to tempt fate and see if in fact that's the case. Even with the safety notch, I'd still carry a revolver with an empty cylinder. They don't call them accidents for nothing. All it takes is one time.

[tburnsten]

46. With guns they are generally known as negligent disharges

because modern firearms going off without someone pulling the trigger may not be as rare as lightning or plane crashes, but it might be the next rarest thing. The safety notch between charge holes is a notch that you rest the hammer in so that it is resting against inert steel and unable to contact the cartridge rims.

Based on the popularity of the small J frame sized revolvers from S&W, Taurus, Rossi, and Charter Arms, and the slightly larger Ruger SP101, I would hazard a guess that at least a couple of million modern double action revolvers are carried daily with a full cylinder and no mishaps because of it. If it caused a problem, someone would have noticed by now and there would be a protocol to deal with it.

[tburnsten]

45. yeah they are still not the best defense gun

but they are a hell of a lot better than the one you left at home. Apparently the folding grip holster is invaluable with these, and really enhance your ability to shoot them.

"between cylinders", I must have dropped my senses off for a moment. Between charge holes.

[benEzra]

32. The CCW graphic is a little dated now...

and assumes carry without a holster, but I suppose most criminals do (presumably to be able to ditch the gun quickly without having to unfasten a holster).

I don't *think* I do most of those things when carrying; the supposed gait affects seem particularly odd to me, but maybe it has something to do with an unholstered gun loose in a waistband or something. I will occasionally check to make sure the outer garment (shirt, sweatshirt, jacket) isn't riding up, but not when anyone is around.

I will say that in an age of cell phones, if an officer cited "bulge in a jacket pocket" or "bulge on the belt" as probable cause for a search, he/she would probably have a pretty thin case in court unless there were other factors. Everybody is carrying smart phones and PDA's these days.

The graphic of the habitats was beautiful, and I loved the Olympic graphics.