Iowa......CCW Shall Issue well on its way to becoming law...

[virginia mountainman]

Another one down, only a few holdouts left....

Democrats leading the way!!!!!!

Iowa would become a “shall issue” state and sheriffs would lose much of their discretion in denying concealed weapons permits under legislation approved by the Senate Saturday.

Senate File 2379, adopted 44-4, would create uniform standards in all 99 counties for issuing permits to carry a concealed weapon in public. Under current law, sheriffs can issue or deny permits. There standards vary with some issuing permits to nearly everyone who applies and some denying nearly all applications. Nearly 35,000 Iowans have concealed carry permits, according to lawmakers.

Floor manager Sen. Keith Kreiman, D-Bloomfield, said the bill advances “the cause of the Second Amendment, the cause of public safety.”

He defended the permit process, saying the Second Amendment right to bear arms carries responsibilities. People who enjoy hunting and other shooting sports “understand the personal responsibilities inherent in exercising Second Amendment rights.”

“Public safety is rarely jeopardized by those who legally carry and acquire weapons,” Kreiman said. “It will be even more rarely jeopardized with the requirement that all permit holders receive training.”

The bill is one of four “must-do” bills on the House agenda, Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy, D-Des Moines, said.

http://www.qctimes.com/news/state-and-regional/iowa/article_5713d3fc-3a18-11df-966d-001cc4c002e0.html

[GreenStormCloud]

1. Looks like it will pass. How does the governor stand?

From the article:

"House leaders say they expect to have more than enough votes to approve the measure. Some liberal Democrats reportedly have threatened to vote against final budget measures if the “shall issue” bill is approved.

The bill had the backing of the NRA, Gun Owners of America, Izaak Walton League and Iowa Carry Inc. The Iowa Police Executive Forum, League of Women Voters, Iowa Gun Owners, Teamsters Local 238, State Police Officers Council, Iowa State Sheriffs’ and Deputies’ Association and Iowa Association of Chiefs of Police and Peace Officers all opposed the measure. The Iowa Attorney General and Department of Public Safety were undecided."

[virginia mountainman]

2. it is amazing how a few, in high places can torpedo popular legislation.

I am still seething with anger over what the assholes did here in Virginia...

I have decided to sit out the next election season in protest.. I doubt I even stump for the good ones...I don't want to face the pro gun voters, since the big headlines here a few weeks ago was...

"Democrats stop pro gun laws"

The leadership let it happen, so FUDGE'em

[Endangered Specie]

28. What did 'they' do in Virigina? IIRC y'all have very good laws

minus the one-handgun-a-month bit.

[glinda]

3. Just arm everyone so they can all start shooting it out. Get it over with.

[GreenStormCloud]

6. The sky is NOT falling. Your fears are unfounded.

Please notice that 38 states now have "shall-issue" concealed carry laws. Nationally about six million citizens has such permits. Yet the oft repeated fear of gun-controllers of "blood in the streets" and "everybody will be shooting everybody" has not happened. In fact, crime has been going down.

[friendly_iconoclast]

8. There'll be blood in the cornfields! Duels at the RAGBRAI! Body parts on the combines!

Sweet Jesus on a Sportster, every time a state has gone "shall issue" in the last 25 years, this claim is made,
and it has yet to happen.

[PavePusher]

11. Really? Who's asking for that?

Proof, please....

[benEzra]

12. Yeah, because that happens all the time in Vermont, New Hampshire, and Minnesota.

Oh, wait...

[SteveM]

15. Why do you live in fear? Do you proselytize for the "End Times?" nt

[slackmaster]

22. You've LOST on this issue. Get over it.

:hi:

[Grand Taurean]

4. kick

[GreenStormCloud]

5. The Governor, Chet Culver, has an NRA A rating. N/T

[X_Digger]

7. k&r n/t

[Common Sense Party]

9. Does this mean that Iowa will soon honor my Utah CCW permit? n/t

[jazzhound]

10. I did a double-take on the line

"Democrats leading the way". Gotta love it. Maybe we're finally wising up.

[friendly_iconoclast]

13. "Democrats leading the way". Some would prefer *that* little detail was overlooked...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=302907&mesg_id=302907

[Hummm]

14. 2nd Amendment is non-partisan issue

The 2nd ammendment is becoming a non partisan issue.

Everyone should call or e-mail the Iowa Gov. and ask that he sign SF-2379 "Shall Issue" into law. Please ask your friends and family no matter where they are from to do the same!

Here is the Gov. contact form page:

http://www.governor.iowa.gov/index.php/constituent_services/contact_us

Here is the phone to call:

(515) 281- 5211

[tburnsten]

16. Welcome to DU

Great first post, you are absolutely right that more and more, 2nd Amendment related issues are becoming nonpartisan. It's a great development.

[Hummm]

17. 10 Things Everyone Should Know About Concealed Weapons Permit Holders

I wanted to post this as it's own topic but as a newbie I can't.

10 Things Everyone Should Know About Concealed Weapons Permit Holders

1. We don’t carry firearms so that we can ignore other basics of personal safety. Every permit holder that I know realizes that almost all dangerous situations can be avoided by vigilance, alertness and by simply making wise choices about where one goes and what one does. We don’t walk down dark alleys. We lock our cars. We don’t get intoxicated in public or hang out around people who do. We park our cars in well lighted spots and don’t hang out in bad parts of town where we have no business. A gun is our last resort, not our first.

2. We don’t think we are cops, spies, or superheros. We aren’t hoping that somebody tries to rob the convenience store while we are there so we can shoot a criminal. We don’t take it upon ourselves to get involved in situations that are better handled by a 911 call or by simply standing by and being a good witness. We don’t believe our guns give us any authority over our fellow citizens. We also aren't here to be your unpaid volunteer bodyguard. We'll be glad to tell you where we trained and point you to some good gun shops if you feel you want to take this kind of responsibility for your personal safety. Except for extraordinary circumstances your business is your business, don't expect us to help you out of situations you could have avoided.

3. We are LESS likely, not more likely, to be involved in fights or “rage” incidents than the general public. We recognize, better than many unarmed citizens, that we are responsible for our actions. We take the responsibility of carrying a firearm very seriously. We know that loss of temper, getting into fights or angrily confronting someone after a traffic incident could easily escalate into a dangerous situation. We are more likely to go out of our way to avoid these situations. We don’t pull our guns to settle arguments or to attempt to threaten people into doing what we want.

4. We are responsible gun owners. We secure our firearms so that children and other unauthorized people cannot access them. Most of us have invested in safes, cases and lock boxes as well as other security measures to keep our firearms secure. Many of us belong to various organizations that promote firearms safety and ownership.

5. Guns are not unsafe or unpredictable. Modern firearms are well made precision instruments. Pieces do not simply break off causing them to fire. A hot day will not set them off. Most modern firearms will not discharge even if dropped. There is no reason to be afraid of a gun simply lying on a table or in a holster. It is not going to discharge on its own.

6. We do not believe in the concept of “accidental discharges”. There are no accidental discharges only negligent discharges or intentional discharges. We take responsibility for our actions and have learned how to safely handle firearms. Any case you have ever heard of about a gun “going off” was the result of negligence on somebody’s part. Our recognition of our responsibility and familiarity with firearms makes us among the safest firearms owners in America.

7. Permit holders do their best to keep our concealed weapons exactly that: concealed. However, there are times with an observant fellow citizen may spot our firearm or the print of our firearm under our clothes. We are very cognizant that concerns about terrorism and crime are in the forefront of the minds of most citizens. We also realize that our society does much to condition our fellow citizens to have sometimes irrational fears about firearms. We would encourage citizens who do happen to spot someone carrying a firearm to use good judgment and clear thinking if they feel to need to take action. Please recognize that it’s very uncommon for a criminal to use a holster. However, if you feel the need to report having spotted a firearm we would ask that you please be specific and detailed in your call to the police or in your report to a store manager or private security. Please don’t generalize or sensationalize what you observed. Comments like “there’s a guy running around in the store with a gun” or even simply “I saw a man with a gun in the store” could possibly cause a misunderstanding as to the true nature of the incident.

8. The fact that we carry a firearm to any given place does not mean that we believe that place to be inherently unsafe.If we believe a place to be unsafe, most of us would avoid that place all together if possible. However, we recognize that trouble could occur at any place and at any time. Criminals do not observe “gun free zones”. If trouble does come, we do not want the only armed persons to be perpetrators. Therefore, we don't usually make a determination about whether or not to carry at any given time based on "how safe" we think a location is.

9. Concealed weapon permit holders are an asset to the public in times of trouble.The fact that most permit holders have the good judgment to stay out of situations better handled by a 911 call or by simply being a careful and vigilant witness does not mean that we would fail to act in situations where the use of deadly force is appropriate to save lives. Review of high profile public shooting incidents shows that when killers are confronted by armed resistance they tend to either break off the attack and flee or choose to end their own life. Lives are saved when resistance engages a violent criminal. Lives are lost when the criminal can do as he pleases.

10. The fact that criminals know that some of the population may be armed at any given time helps to deter violence against all citizens.Permit holders don’t believe that every person should necessarily be armed. We recognize that some people may not be temperamentally suited to carry a firearm or simply may wish not to for personal reasons. However we do encourage you to respect our right to arm ourselves. Even if you choose not to carry a firearm yourself please oppose measures to limit the ability of law abiding citizens to be armed. As mentioned before: criminals do not observe “gun free zones”. Help by not supporting laws that require citizens to be unarmed victims.

[jazzhound]

18. Fantastic post, Hummm n/t

[paulsby]

19. wonderful

that's a great list

[jazzhound]

20. May I respectfully submit, Hummm,

that when your post count allows you to post topics, you dedicate a thread to this?

[slackmaster]

21. Welcome to DU, and thanks for knocking one out of the park!

:cheers:

[GreenStormCloud]

23. I have posted it in a new thread for you.

Here is the thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x307236

Obviously, I think you made a great post.

Welcome to DU and to the gungeon.

[Hummm]

24. Thank you

Thank you!

[tburnsten]

25. Superb. Incredibly strong first post, welcome to DU. N/T

[Big Al Mac]

26. Request for permission to repost

I'd like to have permission from Hummm to repost this to another concealed carry forum.
This is great!

[shedevil69taz]

27. lets hope NY will be along shortly

There is currently a bill in commitee to make NY a shall issue state with objective guidlines on issuance of permits in all counties. Course knowing the People's Republic of NY like I do it probably won't get out of commitee hell. I can't wait till the army lets me leave there.