"Illinois legislature apparently plans to punt on gun issues "

[gorfle]

http://www.examiner.com/x-2581-St-Louis-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m3d28-Illinois-legislature-apparently-plans-to-punt-on-gun-issues

"On Friday, March 26th, just before breaking for their spring recess, the Illinois legislature seems to have sent every gun bill back to committee, which basically indicates that the bills won't be acted on. Illinois being Illinois, this is mostly good news, because most of these bills are so-called "gun control" bills.

We're talking about such restrictions as "one gun per month;" outlawing private sales; bans of .50 caliber rifles, so-called "assault weapons, and "high capacity" magazines; licensing handgun dealers, etc."

[GreenStormCloud]

1. Further indication of the weakness of the VPC & their friends.

[X_Digger]

2. Poor Daley

Here he was trying to convince the legislature to shovel through as many restrictions before McDonald was decided, so that each one would require a lawsuit to overturn.

*crocodile tears*

[truebrit71]

3. Yeah 'cos inner-city Chicago needs more guns...

:eyes:

[cowman]

4. Oh yeah

Chicagos gun ban works soooooooooo well. Whats wrong with law abiding chicoans being able to own guns? Or is this just another fear rant against guns?

[X_Digger]

5. As if the gangs pay attention to 'one a month' etc restrictions.

The cognitive dissonance amazes me.

If the problem is illegal usage of guns in violent crime by those who would ignore laws against murder, more paperwork for getting a gun is the answer? Err..

If that were true, there would be no handgun deaths in Chicago because handguns are banned there, don'cha know.

[truebrit71]

10. If the problem is too many guns already, why would you need more..

..The lack of logic amazes me..

[X_Digger]

11. As if laws like these actually affect the supply..

.. the illogic amazes me.

[ManiacJoe]

12. The problem is not "too many guns".

The problem is "too many guns in the wrong hands". The problems with politicians is that they are too lazy to take the guns from the wrong hands, but they can play lip service by easily taking the guns away from the law abiding.

[truebrit71]

14. Ahh! Guns don't kill people, people kill people, right?

Because the baddies have guns I need shitloads myself, right? :eyes:

[GreenStormCloud]

18. Exactly so. If the bad guy is armed, I need to be armed, or be easy prey. N/T

[ManiacJoe]

19. If you had not included the rolling-eyes icon,

I might think you were beginning to understand.

The Bad Guys do have guns. Having one or more for yourself would increase the odds of you surviving an attack, assuming you took the time to train.

While it is true that the odds of you getting attacked are quite low, it's better to have a gun and not need it than to need it and not have it. Of course, if you choose to exercise that right, you accept the responsibilities that come with it.

If you are not going to defend you, who else will? It is not the job of the police to defend individual members of society. Even if it was their job, they are not physically capable of doing it due to the numbers required.

[DonP]

13. Logic? You gotta be kidding me.

When you have a war on the streets (Mayor Daley's words, not mine) the "logical" solution is to disarm the law abiding.

Yeah, that'll work and solve the problem.

Make sure the law abiding are disarmed and somehow, magically, the criminals will eventually get tired of using theirs and turn them in? What a brilliant solution! Why haven't we thought of that before?

[truebrit71]

15. If they are abiding by the law, why do they need guns?

..see..logic...

[DonP]

16. Umm, your kidding right?

The gangs are by definition not abiding by any laws, gun laws least of all.

There's nothing the police can (or will) do to disarm the gangs.

In a "street war", logic doesn't dictate that you disarm the law abiding.

Theory is a wonderful thing, but in the real world of Morgan Park for instance, you need a "logical" solution to the guy coming through your back door for your TV, prescription drugs, grad daughter etc.

That's why Otis McDonald went to Washington. It was his only logical choice when the city failed to protect him. Not that they have any legal responsibility to protect him or any other citizen not in custody.

[GreenStormCloud]

17. The law-abiding need guns to defend themselves against violent felons. N/T

[DonP]

6. There are no guns here.

<sarcasm on>

Mayor Byrne banned them over 2 decades ago.

No honest citizen is armed on the street or in their home.

They may own a shotgun or rifle (3 round magazine) IF they register it with the Chicago police and IF they pay a fee every year.

If they forget for a year, they may be forcibly confiscated by Daley's special C.A.G.E. unit.

Daley is so worried about violence on the streets that he's seen to it that honest citizens, like Otis McDonald are not armed to prevent any shootings during home invasions.

Of course the gang members are not a problem, because they all know that hand guns are banned so they won't have them. That's why our streets are so much safer than the scary places like Miami, Dallas, Indianapolis and Minneapolis where the fools allow the law abiding to own and carry guns for protection.

The "smartest" way to avoid a street war is to disarm the law abiding and pass laws that have no impact on criminals but that sound good on the evening news.

<Sarcasm still on and a way of life on this issue>

[gorfle]

7. No firearm law will help the drug and gang problem in inner-city Chicago.

Yeah 'cos inner-city Chicago needs more guns...

The fallacy here is that anti-firearm laws will help inner-city Chicago.

Inner-city Chicago has a gang violence problem. Gangs are essentially drug and prostitution industries that operate outside the law. Because they have no recourse to the law to settle business disputes, they again use means outside the law to settle business disputes - violence.

These illegal enterprises control millions of dollars worth of business in the illegal trades of drugs, extortion, racketeering, and prostitution. The illegality and ruthlessness of all of those illegal activities absolutely dwarfs simply breaking a firearm law. Thus it should be no surprise that these criminals pay absolutely no attention to any firearm law. It is simply part of the cost of doing business.

Consequently, the only people who are affected by firearm laws are the people who operate within the law - normal everyday citizens. But normal, everyday citizens are not the problem. So firearm laws should be targeted so that they do not infringe on the rights of the law-abiding.

[SteveM]

8. The gangs there have plenty; the standard result of prohibitionism...

Once you prohibit something, it WILL be acquired outside of the "law."

Of course, your prohibitionism works just fine. For the law-abiding.

You might read up on what Mr. McDonald has to say about the "inner-city."

[PavePusher]

9. ...In legal hands so that the Citizens may be better equiped for self-defense.

You forgot that last part.

[Callisto32]

20. Yeah, 'cos inner-city Chicago-dwellers should have thier right trammeled upon...

[tburnsten]

21. Licensing handgun dealers?

When did Illinois become the first state to elect a legally retarded person to the state legislature? Don't bills need sponsors and have more than one writer? So they elected more than one mentally handicapped person?

Any gun dealer is already Federally registered and supervised by a little group know as the BATFE. They have no sense of humor and have been known to jail people for years for things like owning a gun that broke, and declaring shoestrings, ALL shoestrings, as machine guns. Or taking two pieces of a receiver, fabricating ALL of the necessary parts to operate it as a firearm, and duct-taping it all together. If they decide to go after you, they WILL get a conviction on you, even if it is rightly tossed out on appeal as being completely ludicrous.


The worst part about bills like that are that they give many people who are unfamiliar with firearms and firearms law the idea that gun dealers have no more restrictions on their operation than a liquor store, maybe even less. That's the misconception groups like HCI/Brady Bunch try to spread at every opportunity.