California sheriff to lay off deputies, makes gun permits easier ...

[spin]

Stanislaus County sheriff signs pledge to make gun permits easier
Tuesday, Apr. 13, 2010

People with a clean record who want to carry a gun will have a much better chance at snagging a concealed weapon permit, Sheriff Adam Christianson said Monday, drawing thunderous applause from firearms advocates.

The stunning change in policy comes as Christianson prepares to lay off dozens of deputies because of budget cuts. He has released 300 inmates to comply with new state rules.

The sheriff, who is running for re-election on the June 8 ballot, stood grim-faced during a 12-minute introduction at Monday's public meeting of the Madison Society, whose leaders have criticized Christianson for being stingy with gun permits. He had told them -- and The Bee as recently as two weeks ago -- that he would not sign a pledge accepting self-protection as "good cause" for licensing.

Given the stage Monday, Christianson shocked a standing-room-only audience of more than 100 by immediately signing the pledge with a flourish.

"I'm not going to infringe upon your right to protect yourselves," the sheriff said. "You are more likely to get a gun permit when you apply for one."

***snip***

A farmer said he often irrigates fields in the early morning. The sheriff brought down the house when he responded, "Straight up; I give all ag (people) a gun permit because I know you guys are carrying a gun anyway."

He added, "I'm laying off deputies, and we've got more bad guys; you won't have a problem."

***snip***

After the meeting, many people in the audience said they were thrilled with the news.

"He's right -- there are not enough deputies out there," said Bob Winston, a Modesto attorney. "What does law enforcement do? They come after the fact and try to clean up the mess, which doesn't help the poor victim lying in a pool of blood. You're on your own."

Read more: http://www.modbee.com/2010/04/12/1125435/stanislaus-county-sheriff-makes.html#ixzz0l0Y8oLeZ

[damntexdem]

1. Well, at least it's a LARGELY rural county.

But I would still tend to avoid it.

[RKP5637]

2. +1, n/t

[Duke Newcombe]

3. Yeah, 'cause, y'know...

all those people in the sofist...er, sophisti...er, FANCEE Big City(tm) wouldn't EVER carry guns. :sarcasm:

Why folks fear inanimate objects bewilders me.

[one-eyed fat man]

13. ohhhhh??

Shall we start with Kitty Genovese?? How many examples do you want of big city folks abject failures to aid their neighbors??

There is a big difference between Crime Watch and watch crime.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitty_Genovese

Civil courage (sometimes also referred to as "Social courage") is defined by many different standards. In general, the term is usually referred to when civilians stand up against something that is deemed unjust and evil, knowing that the consequences of their action might lead to their death, injury or some other form of significant harm.

In some countries (e.g. Brazil, France and Germany) civil courage is enforced by law; this means that if a crime is committed in public, the public is obliged to act, either by alerting the authorities, or by intervening in the conflict. If the crime is committed in a private environment, those who witness the crime must either report it to the authorities or attempt to stop it.

Petru Barladeanu was accidentally shot by Italian mafia in a crowded street in the center of Napoli close to the Spanish Quarter, on the 26th of May, 2009. The event took place at a moment when the street was full of people who witnessed the assault at early hours of the evening. Taking refuge at the entrance of a station, Petru Barladeanu fell and died half an hour later in the presence of his panicked wife who called for help. As shown in the CCTV video of the event <9> the victim was surrounded by ordinary people who looked at the victim without giving any help whatsoever and then fled the scene. The victim eventually died and the perpetrators were convicted only months later. None of those who refused to assist the victim were either identified or charged by the prosecutors.

Yep, city folks sure are entitled to their feelings of superiority!!!

Oh what was that you said about not wanting to be involved? Neighbors may be further away in the country but they are more likely to help.

[PavePusher]

24. So, I guess inclusiveness is right out the window. n/t

[SteveM]

29. Ah, the "rural" canard (somebody add it to the list of air foils). nt

[Swede]

4. Can technicals be far behind. A libertarian dream come true.

[tburnsten]

6. What's techicals?

I like the guy behind the wheel's hat.

[Swede]

8. Oops.

[tburnsten]

14. I still don't understand the context.

Are you saying that Arizona will resemble the photo you posted because of this?

[Swede]

15. Technicals are private armies in Somalia.

As the government collapsed,lawlessness reigned and private policing sprang up. But there are no taxes.

[tburnsten]

16. Interesting, I didn't know they were called that.

Looks like I've got some research to do on Somali affairs. My city has been taking in a pretty large number of Somali refugees, it might not be that many to a place like NYC or even Boston, but Portland is a fairly small place. It would be helpful to understand my new neighbor's home countries state of affairs I think.


That isn't going to happen to Arizona from this though, no more than it turned Vermont or Alaska into chaotic murder-ridden states when they went down the same path (I believe decades ago in Vermont's case).

[Swede]

19. Yeah,I was just riffing on that Libertarian no tax thing.

Tough days ahead because of the budget crunches,but it's not as dire as anything in the 3rd world. But police being laid off,teachers being laid off,and school budgets slashed is not a good start.

[SteveM]

30. LEOs being laid off: you can bet the cartels are watching closely...

as they make permanent their business connections in the U.S., and thereby "quash" the competition. This is why even the El Paso City Council is quite uneasy about the W.O.D. and its consequences. IMO, the only reason the cartels will (for a time) hold off on Mexican-type violence in the U.S. is apprehension about a well-armed civilian population. But that may not hold for long.

[PavePusher]

18. Actually, "technicals" are generally any civilian-model vehicle...

usually a light pick-up truck (often the ubiquitous Toyota HiLux , in this case a Series III Land Rover) that has been modified by welding/bolting a mount for a machine gun or light recoil-less rifle in the cargo bed. The basic concept is found in pretty much every third world country, and has been cleaned up for a few applications in more advanced and organised militaries as well.

[Euromutt]

22. Ah, you beat me to it (n/t)

[PavePusher]

23. Don't get used to it... ;>P n/t

[one-eyed fat man]

27. You are mistaken

A 'technical' is a type of improvised fighting vehicle, typically a civilian or military non-combat vehicle, modified to provide an offensive capability. It is usually an open-backed civilian pickup truck or four-wheel drive vehicle mounting a machine gun, light anti-aircraft gun, recoilless rifle, or other support weapon.

The term technical describing such a vehicle appears did, indeed, originate in Somalia. One explanation, probably apocryphal, is derived from use by the Red Cross there who were often forced to bribe local militias to avoid being attacked and robbed. The money used for such bribe would be budgeted as a "technical expense" to hide its true nature.

Irregular armies, and local militias, which are often centered around the perceived strength and charisma of warlords, are the users of "technicals", not technicals themselves as you mistakenly infer.

[Pavulon]

17. Thats a great rover. Would love to have it.

minus the morons and the nonfunctional recoilless rifle.

[PavePusher]

20. What's wrong with a good Recoilless?

I can think of lots of effective applications...

But then, I'm not known for subtlety...

[Pavulon]

21. Like a LAW only heavier..

No javelin in my day.

[dashrif]

25. Think you where

better off with a law instead of a maw back wise. I never humped a javelin it was still to new, but I can attest to awkwardness of humping a m47 dragon with day and night sights just a flat out pita. The javelin is fire and forget with a low signature blast unlike the wire guided dragon with a hay look at me smoke and fire storm it alleviates the fear of coax guns some what and lighter because of integrated day and night sights.

[one-eyed fat man]

28. M47 Dragon

What an unmitgated POS! Went down range like a drunken jack rabbit. Max range of a measly 1000 meters and took 20 seconds to get there. Any decent tank crew on seeing a Dragon fired, (and that would be hard to miss) had almost enough for a cigarettee break before returning fire and wouldn't bother with the coax at all. White phosphorus, from the tank's main gun, would easily beat the missile to impact.

You fired smoke against missile crews to either obscure their sight picture if you hit short, at which stage if the now unguided missle hit you it was just bad luck. Or much prefrred to douse the gunner in flaming 'willie pete' as setting his ass on fire almost invariably interfered greatly with his ability to fly the missile to the target, no matter how hard-core an Airborne Ranger.

I've got really funny tale about a 1974 demonstration to a bunch of NATO generals of the Dragon on Range 20 at Grafenwoehr.

[tburnsten]

32. Hey I was at Grafenwoehr for a day or two this summer!

My unit went to Hohenfels with the Engineers for Annual Training, and I tagged along to Graf for a day during a CLS class. It was great.

[dashrif]

33. drunken jack rabbit

thats a good one we called it a fart rocket I was so happy when I got a 203 and later I stopped being a crunchy

[tburnsten]

5. That's a pleasant surprise

I wonder why he came around? I mean, laying off a couple dozen deputies doesn't make a difference in the outcome of violent crimes, as far as the victim is concerned, but this new policy stance certainly will if the victim or a witness has a carry permit.

[xchrom]

7. Chaos unlimited. Nt

[high_and_mighty]

9. Qué?

Personally I don't see people that fill out forms, have their backgrounds checked and most likely get some required training for a concealed weapons permit are going to cause much chaos. Let alone an unlimited amount of it.

If you have some evidence to the contrary I would like to read it and discuss it with you.

[GreenStormCloud]

10. Don't your gun controllers every get tired of that prediction that never comes true?

There are 40 states with shall-issue permit systems, and none of them have resulted in "chaos unlimited" or other such dire scenarios.

[slackmaster]

11. Yes, blood will run in the gold-bearing streams

:rofl:

[tularetom]

12. Issuance of these permits should NEVER be in the hands of an elected official

Too much temptation to squeeze applicants for campaign contributions.

In a perfect world of course, no such permits would be required and anyone who wanted to carry a firearm could do so.

[jazzhound]

26. "Chaos unlimited"

I think these ignorant comments keep getting trolled out because the people who spew them are so completely uneducated about the history of the gun control debate they aren't even aware what defines a "shall issue" state -- and that this tired old line has been used each and every time a state has amended their laws in favor of CC.

There's no fixing stupid, and there's no fixing WILLFUL ignorance.

[SteveM]

31. Sounds like a punk-fusion band. nt