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flamin lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 12:43 PM Original message |
I don't hang out here much 'cause I tend to get myself in trouble with |
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TPaine7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
1. Some of your points have merit. |
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TPaine7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 04:58 PM Response to Reply #1 |
22. Duh... I meant "knife or sword" n/t |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
2. C'mon, numbers do matter and 12 dead is a greater tragedy than 10 or 5 or 2. |
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flamin lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 02:35 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Hi again. Now that we're here and you've managed to take the |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 02:44 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. +1 - weapons are not tools except 'enthusiasts' insist they are. Nt |
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flamin lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 03:03 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Weellllll, yeah they are tools. Just like other tools they can do things |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 06:53 AM Response to Reply #6 |
42. That's odd; I have a rather different perception of what the problem is |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 06:52 PM Response to Reply #42 |
49. A common problem is when people are unable to separate homicide from murder. |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 02:56 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. The real Sophie's choice |
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flamin lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 03:18 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. I can recognize that. Now the issue is to get past the inflamitory |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 03:34 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. numbers do matter and 12 dead is a greater tragedy than 10 or 5 or 2. |
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flamin lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 03:46 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. The original question that generated the Sophie's choice is ofen |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 03:50 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. I don't think it's a question that can be answered. The mind of a killer |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 04:04 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. I don't mind asking what if. |
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flamin lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 04:07 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Now see, we're back to non-answers. |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 04:31 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Why would I want to have a baseball bat IF I'm physically threatened by someone with a gun? |
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flamin lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 05:37 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Anybody know the catch and possession limit on red herring? |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 06:29 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. And you're trying to paint situations in a black/white scenario that require a black/white answer |
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flamin lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 06:42 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. You're seriously going to make the point that going up against any |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 07:04 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Listen, you're equating one shot/one kill. It rarely works that way |
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flamin lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 07:24 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. I'm waiting for the scenario where a baseball bat against any |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 07:28 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Elementary school, a group of disabled, elderly at bingo etc. |
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flamin lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 07:47 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Oh gool lord. You go all the way to rest homes and elementary |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 07:20 AM Response to Reply #37 |
43. They're called "soft targets". You know, ones in which the chances of being shot |
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EXneoCON (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-10 01:55 PM Response to Reply #37 |
55. Good Lord... |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-10 02:06 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. I try and use logic/reason with someone who's operating on emotion |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 03:55 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Of course guns are different. |
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flamin lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 04:10 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. See reply 17. nt |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 04:19 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. To answer that specific question |
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flamin lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 05:45 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. Well thanks for answering the obvious. Darned few people here in |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 07:50 PM Response to Reply #25 |
39. The standard against which |
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Katya Mullethov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-18-10 08:31 AM Response to Reply #39 |
50. Or......... scenario THREE |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 03:22 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. I don't know what I'd do |
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flamin lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 03:28 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. I'll accept that and credit you with the empathy you've shown. |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 03:35 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. IMHO, numbers matter only if a lesser value is put on the lives of those |
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flamin lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 04:03 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Not to be a smart ass but to further illustrate why more is really worse than few. |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 04:48 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. People respond to stop further killing regardless the weapon used |
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flamin lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 05:35 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. See, there ya' go again. Running off in a whole different direction. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-10 07:00 PM Response to Reply #15 |
57. The answer would be potentially. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
26. The question is irrelevant if the determinant as to what stops the attack.. |
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flamin lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 06:32 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. I'm sorry but I can't reply becasue you don't offer enough data on |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 07:20 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. ..The "what if he had used X implement.." |
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flamin lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 07:36 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Thanks for that answer. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 08:05 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Not exactly.. |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 06:47 PM Response to Original message |
30. You're begging the question |
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flamin lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 07:22 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Well, thanks for that. I appreciate the thought and and the careful |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 08:38 AM Response to Reply #33 |
45. Not giving the answer you want to hear isn't the same as "dodging the question" |
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flamin lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 07:50 PM Response to Reply #30 |
38. I've been at this way too long and my digital dyslexia is showing. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
41. I don't think I've ever seen your studiously avoided question in this forum.... |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 08:00 AM Response to Reply #41 |
44. I believe |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 08:53 AM Response to Original message |
46. That question/concern relies on a number of assumptions to be taken for granted. |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 09:08 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Agreed |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
48. Point by point. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-18-10 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
51. Samurai were outlawed. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-18-10 09:21 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. How was that law enforced and who enforced it? How were the enforcers armed? |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-10 03:09 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. 1876 Sword Abolishment Act. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-10 09:56 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Guns were introduced to Japan in 1542 or 1543. |
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