'I just shot dad,' 14-year-old charged with murder told mom

[CO Liberal]

Yet another family made safer by having guns in the home - Wayne

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'I just shot dad,' 14-year-old charged with murder told mom

A 14-year-old boy, angry that he had been grounded and barred from seeing his best friend for missing a family dinner, allegedly schemed for nearly a week to kill his father, a decorated Chicago police sergeant.

On Tuesday, before he shot and killed his father, Francis Skroch IV, the boy called his mother at work to find out when she would be home. He also asked when his father would be home to make sure he had time to break into the family safe, which contained two guns, a source close to the investigation said.

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http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-cop07.html

[MrBenchley]

1. 30,000 a year

dead so the corrupt gun industry can make blood money...

[demsrule4life]

6. Give it a rest

The son shot his father with a issued pistol that was kept in a gun safe. Son had to pry the door open to get the pistol out. This was a 1st degree murder all the way, the real injustice will be if he is tried as juvenile instead of an adult.

[MrBenchley]

11. Not likely

I plan to keep on pointing out the corruption, dishonesty and ugliness in the gun industry and the RKBA crowd.

[demsrule4life]

12. How does shooting someone with a pistol

issued by the city of Chicago have anything to do with the "corrupt gun industry"?

[MrBenchley]

14. Gee, which industry is it

busily promoting the idea that a gun in the house means safety...when in fact it means no such thing?

Could it be the dairy industry? Office supplies? Bakeries?

[demsrule4life]

15. Just no hope for some people

I have an idea let's all turn our guns in and go ninja.
http://www.realultimatepower.net/

[MrBenchley]

17. And that means what, exactly?

Except that you know damn well that guns don't make people safer...

[Spoonman]

23. I have a question.

Do cops with guns make people safer?

[MrBenchley]

26. Next ask me

if I want to play silly games with you.

[Spoonman]

28. OK

Here is one - who can prove the gun manufacturers are corrupt?

TOO bad no winners here

[MrBenchley]

29. Been there, done that

Now go snivel about it to somebody who cares.

[ComplimentarySwine]

16. You should call the police

and tell them to stop issuing guns to their officers, since this was a police officer's gun used in the shooting. You know, police officers are exempt from most, if not every, gun law on the books. Also, I've got news for you. It's not the gun lobby that wants cops to have guns, it's the Police Officers' Associations and the ANTI-gun lobby who are pushing for laws that only cover us "peons".

[MrBenchley]

19. Better yet

I should keep pointing out that a corrupt inndustry lies about guns making people safer.

"Also, I've got news for you. It's not the gun lobby that wants cops to have guns"
That's not news....the gun lobby wants criminals to have guns.

[ComplimentarySwine]

20. That doesn't seem to be what you pointed out

What you pointed out was that you didn't think that cops should have guns. After all, if they don't make them safer, why do they have them?

Go write your local police department. Go on, shoo!

[MrBenchley]

22. Wow...could you spin MORE desperately?

"What you pointed out was that you didn't think that cops should have guns."
Maybe in some sort of weird code that only YOU can decipher...but in plain English I said no such thing.

[ComplimentarySwine]

27. Hmm, let's see...

You responded to the story of a cop getting show with his own gun by talking about the gun industry making blood money. Since the cop was the only one in the story who was bleeding, it stands to reason that it was his blood that they gun industry was making money off of. The cop *IS* one of the 30,000 dead that you mentioned, right?

As best as I can tell, what you pointed out was 1 of 3 things:
1. Cops should NOT have guns.
2. People dieing for gun industry blood money is a GOOD thing
3. You posted a reply completely unrelated to the original post

Talk about SPIN. You're the master, are you not?

[MrBenchley]

30. I have said clearly what I meant to say

and you are desperately trying to spin it into something it is not.

But that is par for the course for the RKBA crowd.

This is probably futile but I will give it ONE more try:

--We have 30,000 Americans a year killed by guns
--That is too many
--We have a corrrupt and dishonest industrry that tries to convince Americans that having a gun in their house makes them safer
--In fact it significantly increases the danger of them getting shot themselves

"Since the cop was the only one in the story who was bleeding, it stands to reason that it was his blood that they gun industry was making money off of."
<sarcasm>Yes, it is physically impossible for anyone to think beyond the immediate words they are presented with in print. We are nothing but brain-dead robots who must have guns or die.</sarcasm>

[ComplimentarySwine]

31. Oh, I get it...

you were posting your propaganda in this thread, in spite of the fact that what you say has NOTHING to do with what the original post was about. Congratulations. Maybe I should go find a thread about Howard Dean and talk about getting a new air filter for my car. I could be MrBenchleyII. But why would I want to?

Truth be told, I think that you're one of the most elaborate PRO-gun trolls that I've ever seen here. I think that you're just trying to get people to be PRO-gun by making anti-gunners seem like unreasoned functional idiots...

[demsrule4life]

32. Wow

I never thought of that, you could be onto something here.

[MrBenchley]

37. Well, if you'd buy that

you probably DO think John Lott is a real scientist....

Get a clue.

[MrBenchley]

36. What was the first line in the first post?

It was CO Liberal's sarcastic comment: "Yet another family made safer by having guns in the home"

Now go snivel about it to somebody who gives a crap.

[ComplimentarySwine]

38. So you're blaming your ignorance on someone else?

I'm not surprised, really.

IOW, you replied to what he told you the story was about, instead of WHAT THE STORY WAS ACTUALLY ABOUT.

What was is that Freud said about a fear of weapons?

[MrBenchley]

39. Too frigging funny for words

I replied to his comment. Now go ccry abouut it to somebody who gives a crap.

"What was is that Freud said about a fear of weapons?"
I think it was: "men doubtful of their own virility cling to the gun as a symbolic phallus and unconsciously fear gun control as the equivalent of castration."

[ComplimentarySwine]

42. WRONG! (Thanks for playing, though)

That wasn't Freud, that appears to be a quote from Arthur Schlesinger, Jr.

Nope, Freud's quote was, "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity".

Good try though, maybe next time! ;)

[MrBenchley]

43. Actually sounds like Schlesinger

has it right on the money...

[jody]

40. "Ignorance is a curable disease, stupidity is a terminal illness"

Make certain you have the correct diagnosis before prescribing therapy. :evilgrin:

[MrBenchley]

41. And dishonesty is manifest

among the RKBA crowd

[DagmarK]

2. A high level law enforcement guy in southern Washington has probs with

guns and kids too!

Within the last year, his like 12 year old son shot and killed his little sister "by accident" (about 8 y.o.). (I could be wrong on the ages......but thereabouts). The town said they would start making it a policy for officers to keep their firearms locked up in the home.

I think the son is in juvenile detention.......

Then recently, his OTHER son (older than the first) got caught with dad's guns...

I figure by Christmas, the whole family will be shot dead!

[Demobrat]

3. Guns don't kill people.

Grounded 14 year olds kill people.

[Romulus]

4. this is why

I told my fiancee that when/if we have kids, my guns will be stored at the range for the 18+ years until they move out of the house. Not that she disagreed with me. Not that I won't demystify the firearms in the eyes of my kids(if the law will still allow me that much in the next fifteen years).

Teenagers are a wily bunch, and no matter what you think you've done to prevent them from getting into trouble, they will.

[greenwow]

5. Yet another "lawful" gun owner

that regrets his decision to own things made to kill.

[Romulus]

10. the guy was a cop n/t

[ComplimentarySwine]

18. So now you're critisizing the decision to become a cop?

Or would you prefer that he just tells his department that he still wants to be cop, but politely declines to carry a gun. Do you think that they'd go for it if he asked really nicely???

[the_acid_one]

34. His job dictates he has to have the gun.

He took reasonable measures to secure it. Those measures failed. It happens.

Hey, Maybe the VPC should get together with his wife and get her to sue the city for forcing her husband to have dangerous weapons at home.

I own several things made to kill, but i havent used them that way and so they've given me hours and hours of enjoyment. Objects to trasure, Beautiful works of finely crafted steel. The fact that they were used once upon a time by men, upon men. Doesnt matter. The objects are not inherintly bad no matter their reason for invention.

I think all this gun blaming is to avoid acknowledgeing that there is another problem, one that cant be taken care of with laws and regulations. That problem is the evil inside people. If you can ban that, then I'd be all for it.

[jody]

35. "problem is the evil inside people"

:toast:

[jody]

7. Another sad incident but it should not be used to disarm the police.

Many law enforcement offices require their personnel to be armed when off duty and society benefits from that action.

There must be much more to this than a single incident of missing a family dinner.

[iverglas]

8. I know! I know!

This was the FAULT of the parent who raised a 14-yr-old who deserved to be grounded, and who failed in his duty to persuade the kid that GUNS AREN'T FOR KILLING PEOPLE, let alone your father, dagnab it.

That father has nobody to blame but himself, I'd say. Did I get it right?

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[Romulus]

9. maybe over at Freeper central . . .

That father has nobody to blame but himself, I'd say. Did I get it right?

[iverglas]

13. funny

... how easy it is to forget where you are sometimes around here ...

But actually, wouldn't an out-of-closet freeper (at least) be clamouring, rather, for the noose to be slipped on the 14-yr-old's neck?

And pray tell: when the kid shoots itself or someone else, why is that "the parent's fault" and that's all that needs to be said about it, but when the kid shoots the parent it's "freeper" talk?

(And if you're thinking of claiming that this is a loaded question, you might have to find me somewhere where any opponent hereabouts of tight restrictions on access to firearms has suggested that anything else *does* need to be said about it.)

And: do you think that this was maybe my point?

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[Demobrat]

21. Well, yes.

If he had raised the kid right he would be alive today. It's not the kid's fault he was brought up in a home where problems are solved with guns. They do learn by example, after all. I think they should give the kid some ice cream and send him home.

[Romulus]

24. eh? n/t

[Demobrat]

25. Sarcasm/goofing around.

I don't usually make unintelligible posts. Sorry.

[the_acid_one]

33. Wait a minute...

That story has to be a lie, Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation. Incidents like this could never happen there because they dont let citizens have guns.

Oh wait...this was an officer with an issued gun. Doesnt sound like the "industry making blood money", because cops dont tend to buy their guns, they get given to them by the government.

So basically, short of disarming the police, or magically making guns disappear forever, this would have happened no mater what.

Maybe we should blame "panic room" for teaching the kid how to open the safe to get the firearm.

Anyways, now that we've got this story out here, how could it have been prevented? It just shows that when someone makes up their mind to murder that they will stop at nothing to do so. Hell, the kid planned for a week on how to do it.

And yeh, i agree with one of the other posters. If the kid is tried as a juvinile that will be another tragedy.