Legislator to take new shot on guns

[demsrule4life]

Leavenworth Democrat predicts this is the year for concealed-carry law.

http://www.ljworld.com/section/stateregional/story/157278

Wishing you luck 1A2B3C

[Superfly]

1. That Democrat is just pimping for Asskroft, don't you know?

It's all a Republican conspiracy.

[DocSavage]

3. It will pass

It will survive a veto too. The govenor won because she ran a more middle of the road conservative campaign then the republican challenger. Kansas is very rural. People already have a ton of guns in thier cars, homes, tractors and such. People want this ability to carry. And I have not seen Karl Rove or people from the NRA storming my neighborhood either. Seems it will pass without thier help.

[1a2b3c]

27. Arent you from goddard?

Or maize?

[DocSavage]

33. No

South of Wichita, 15 miles

[alwynsw]

2. What will he do next? Propose universal sufferage?

Ditto on the luck 1a.

We have CCW here. neener neener neener

[Romulus]

5. Good luck KS!!

Just as how the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments to the US COnstitution took a while to "take" in some areas :eyes:, hopefully this means that this will be the year that the 2d Amend is recognized in KS. :toast:

[MrBenchley]

4. Hahahahahahaha....

"It's ridiculous that we don't have this," she said. "Its time has come regardless of who the governor is. A strong majority of Kansas citizens are interested."
Not even close to true....you might recall that in Missouri, where citizens rejeccted it by referndum but the GOP used a host of dirty tactics to pass this, it was expected just a tiny fraction of people would even apply.

And let's not forget that the entire case that concealed carry laws cut crime in any way is based on outright fraud.

[Romulus]

6. *yawn*

Who cares about "referendums" as a sound basis for public policy - look at California's recall.

Besides, the 13, 14th, 15th, and 19th Amendments to the US Constitution would never have passed if they were put up to "referendums."

[RoeBear]

7. Why would you ridicule...

... a fellow Democrat?

I get so tired of seeeing people here pimp for the republicans.

[slackmaster]

8. Kansas and Missouri are not the same place, MrBenchley

"...A strong majority of Kansas citizens are interested."
Not even close to true....

Your personal opinion, unsupported by any hard evidence.

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9. But!

Hallmark Cards opposes it. Perhaps the citizens of Kansas should leave the policy and decision making up to them?

I noticed the article used the term "major employers". What are these employers going to do if the bill does pass? Pack up and leave? Screen any present and future employees to see if they have a CCW?

(and the antis scoffed when the NRA included Halmark in the so called "black list").

[MrBenchley]

10. Tee hee hee....

and the antis scoffed when the NRA included Halmark in the so called "black list")

And now we'll scoff even louder. Quick, how many people think that Hallmark is such a dangerous place to work that their employees have to carry popguns in the halls?

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13. Who said anything about the work enviorment at HallmarK?

What does Hallmark have at stake in citizens carrying concealed weapons off their property?

(I know, perhaps they should be sold on the idea that they can sell more sympathy cards... "Sorry to hear you've been assaulted"

An employer can justifiably prohibit people carrying handguns in the work place... I have no problem with that.
The problem is when a self-defense situation arises for employees traveling to and from the work place(and all points in between).

[MrBenchley]

14. Gee, you mean

you think the sort of neurotic who feels he need to carry a popgun everywhere he goes is going to exempt the workplace?

Don't forget, when the Buckeye state's loony-tunes decided to hold their "rally," they picked an upscale shopping village where Ohioans already felt safe...and didn't enjoy being suddenly endangered by armed nutcases wandering through their stores..

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17. Someone who lawfully carrys a concealed handgun is "neurotic"?

you think the sort of neurotic who feels he need to carry a popgun everywhere he goes is going to exempt the workplace?

Thank you for that wonderful and insightful diagnosis, Sigmund.

You think anyone intent on causing mayhem at the workplace is going care about company policy whether they have a valid CCW or not? "Gee, I'd really like to mow down my supervisor and co-workers, but I don't want to get in trouble for bringing a handgun to work".

[Romulus]

18. guess that means retired NJ LEO's

seeing as how they get shall-issue CCW's in that particular poster's home state. And I'm sure they carry those popguns wherever they go.

I guess all those retired LEO's are "neurotics." After all, if they had a "real" need for a CCW then they could go through the may-issue process like all the other new Jerseyites and "prove" their need. :eyes:

[MrBenchley]

21. Why would you guess that, rom?

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23. Similar situation here in MA.

The legislature passed an AWB back in 1998 (it's worded to refer to the Federal AWB making the same restrictions apply to MA.). Except in MA's example, they specifically exempted retired LEOs. Now, why does a retired LEO need an assault weapon, but myself and lessor mortals don't?

Same thing with the current Federal AWB. Retired LEO's aren't specifically exempt from owning AWs, but their department head can allow them to keep their assault wepaons and hi-capacity magazines.

At least there was one good outcome of the Silvera .vs Lockyer decision.
The ninth Circuit Court upheld CA's AWB, but struck down the part that allows retired LEOs to retain and own AWs as it violated the "equal protection" clause.

[1a2b3c]

29. An even better question is

Why is a retired LEO any different than a retired school teacher, or carpenter, or computer tech, or porn star???

COPS = The SUPERCITIZEN

[MrBenchley]

31. IS it?

Seeems like a damn fool question to me. But then I'm not pretendinng that teachers and porn stars got weapons training, or routinely faced potential armed assailants in their every day work.

[1a2b3c]

32. Like i am really shocked to hear a gun grabber

Who thinks cops are some superpower who deserve more rights than porn stars and teachers.

[MrBenchley]

34. Hahahahahahaha....

Could we get a sillier argument than this?

[RoeBear]

35. So because one group of citizens...

...has a perceived larger chance of a threat from a bad guy, only that group should be allowed to CCW. Why?

[MrBenchley]

20. Hahahahahahaha....

Gee, which group was moaning on here the other day about New Jersey confiscating their penises?

"You think anyone intent on causing mayhem at the workplace is going care about company policy whether they have a valid CCW or not?"
You think imbeciles should be allowed to lug their guns around the workplace on the chance that they won't suddenly start shooting up the joint?

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24. NJ is confiscating penises?

Might as well, since the population there seems to be lacking any balls.

[MrBenchley]

25. I rest my case....

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36. Let me assure you....

they'll have to pry my penis from my cold dead hands.

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37. And guess what?

Those poor neurotic loony-tunes got their wish, didn't they?

Amazing what a difference a few determined and outraged citizens can accomplish... even if they were only a small part of the equation.

[RoeBear]

15. I always wondered about corporations being...

...against CCW at the work place. Is it because they know how shitty that they treat their employees, that they figure they are going to push them over the edge at any time?

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19. I suspect it has more to do with liability.

If someone were to go over the edge and shoot up their co-workers, at least the business can claim that they prohibited guns on company grounds... "Hey, don't blame us" "We told them they couldn't do it"!

It also has something to do with todays "PC" work environment and "zero tolerance" policies. All it takes nowadays is for just one person to feel
"uncomfortable", and "human resources" is issuing a 10 page bulletin and having meetings with supervisors.

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11. Sounds like there's a strong possibility of it passing.

However, this comment has me shaking my head.

...allowing retired law enforcement officers to carry concealed guns because "they have the special training and the street smarts to deal with it."

I'm amazed and a bit angry that anyone would even think of proposing such
nonsense. Hasn't this person heard of "equal protection under the law"?
Anytime I read or hear of similar firearms exemptions for LEOs and retired LEOs, I have to suspect that it's part of a divide and conquer strategy.

If I was a Kansian, I would rather let things remain as they are and have no CCW for anyone.

[slackmaster]

12. LEO exemptions are ALWAYS politically motivated

Politicians use them as tokens to get endorsements from police officers' unions and trade associations, and from chief LEOs.

If I was a Kansian, I would rather let things remain as they are and have no CCW for anyone.

Kansans carry when they feel a need to, in spite of the lack of a legal way to do so. If you look like you fit in (i.e. you are white and keep your hair cut short), the cops tend to leave you alone.

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16. HR 218 - S 253

Hmmmm, I wonder why such staunch anti-gun legislators in Congress would co-sponser HR 218/S 253; the "Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act".

The list of co-sponsors includes Feinstein, Schumer, Boxer, Clinton, ...

To amend title 18, United States Code, to exempt qualified current and former law enforcement officers from State laws prohibiting the carrying of concealed handguns.

Couldn't have anything to do with drumming up support for renewing the AWB, could it :)

[Romulus]

22. yeah -it's bullshit

If you are no longer on active duty in the military, you no longer have access to M249's, M16A2's, etc.

If you are no longer on active duty with the police, you should no longer get "special access" to police firearms priveleges.

If this KS governor had any honesty, should would just say that she would be opposed to CCW unless there were specific training requirements that met her satisfaction. A good 90% of the CCW handwringing is over the fear of "untrained wannabees" going and "taking the law into their own hands.":eyes: This handwringing can be shown for the propaganda it is by meeting it with CCW training standards equal to the existing armed security guard traning standards. I never see complaints about security guards being "armed untrained wannabees." In fact, "Security guards" are used as an example of people who are "properly fit" for CCW permits:

http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/gunlaws/ccw.asp
11 states have limited CCW laws. These limited laws are called "discretionary" or "may issue" CCW laws. Law enforcement is not required to issue CCW permits but have discretion to approve or deny CCW permits based on whether letting the applicant carry a concealed handgun is in the interest of public safety. In most cases, the applicant must demonstrate a specific need (i.e., applicant works as a security guard) and pass extensive safety training.


If someone has a problem with the training requirments for CCW permit applicants, then they should address the issue of deficient training, NOT the existence of the process.

Edited to add:
On this CCW training issue, anti-gun-owners should just "put TFU" (re:armed security guard standards) or else STFU.

[1a2b3c]

30. God that is soooooooo true.

Kansans carry when they feel a need to, in spite of the lack of a legal way to do so. If you look like you fit in (i.e. you are white and keep your hair cut short), the cops tend to leave you alone.

[1a2b3c]

26. Thanks man

But i already found my loophole. I can carry while fishing or hunting. :-) Which is most of the time.

[slackmaster]

28. Do you walk around looking like Tom Sawyer

With a ratty straw hat and a rod and reel, or toting a duck call and shotgun?

:evilgrin: