If owning a gun is a 'right' shouldn't the gun lobby insist on guns being made here?

[DainBramaged]

Shouldn't the gun lobby insist on American Labor making guns for sale here? What, we can't make as good a gun as the Chinese? If it's such an American right to own a gun, why shouldn't they be made here? We let the car companies do it.


Make them build plants here. Then they can be All-American!!!!!!!!





Guns made in the U.S.A.

Hand Guns

BOND ARMS, INC.
Charter Arms
Heritage Manufacturing
HI-POINT FIREARMS
Kel-Tec Inc
Ruger
Kahr Arms
Kimber

Rifles

Henry rifles
Ruger
Keystone Sporting Arms
Remington
Kimber
Stag

Shotguns

Ruger
Ithaca
Remington
http://www.americansworking.com/guns.html


Guns not made in the good 'ole U.S. of A.


Everybody else.

[leftstreet]

1. In Before Something Happens

:popcorn:

[dmallind]

2. Terrible logic, worse facts

I can name ten or fifteen companies off teh top of my head that make guns here not on your list.

So if freedom of speech is a right we should insist that all authors and speakers are Americans?

[slackmaster]

3. You omitted many US manufacturers, including the ones that make the most popular sporting rifles

ArmaLite
Bushmaster
Colt
Olympic Arms
Springfield Armory

etc.

[dmallind]

4. ..and the best 1911 guys too

Ed Brown, SA, Les Baer, Nighthawk etc.

[Endangered Specie]

26. He also missed Smith & Wesson, Colt, Mossberg, and not to mention

the MANY MANY companies that make firearms components and ammunition, like Federal Winchester, Remington, Speer, Fiocchi (some is made here) etc...

[DainBramaged]

36. I didn't miss anything. You folks are so easy..........

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Euromutt]

38. Oh, I see; you *meant* to do that.

I've seen many a cat try to project that attitude after an obvious misstep, and they weren't any more convincing than you are.

[SteveM]

46. He/she reminds me of the guy with a can of Glade Air Freshner...

trying to neutralize his own fart while still under the sheets.

[raouldukelives]

5. Always wanted a Weatherby nt

[X_Digger]

6. Was A supposed to connect to B?

If so, there's something missing.

[TheWraith]

7. Actually, they do, not that one thing has anything to do with the other.

There's a shitload of restrictions on what guns you can import, what you can do with imported guns, etcetera. None of them apply to guns made in the US. There's no logic to them, it's strictly protectionism for domestic firearms manufacturing.

[TheWraith]

11. Oh, a perfect example. You mention Chinese guns...

It's illegal to import weapons from China. Period. Or ammo. Why? They were dumping a lot of old 1950s-era SKS carbines on the US market, and the US manufacturers didn't like that. So they got Chinese weaponry banned in 1993 or so.

[katandmoon]

8. NRA gets rich off poor dumb suckers either way

[DainBramaged]

10. It amazes me how important 'rights' are to folks

but when it comes to supporting your own Country's economy, its 'nope, I'll be buying my gun from the Belgians or japanese, or Italians or Germans and they don't have to make them here even'.

Though this is the only market for about 99% of their weapons.


I guess 'they' think we make crap guns too?

:shrug:

[dmallind]

13. On what assumption?

Most guns I've owned have been US made. They are certainly predominant. Import restrictions as well as market size make manufacture here most effective.

I'm pretty sure gun owners have a fairly high regard for most US guns.

[Glassunion]

23. Agreed...

The vast majority of the firearms I own are American made. It is one of the things we do well. I miss Charles Daly firearms. I was able to scoop up one of their ARs before the left the business. With the exception of a few collection pieces, I only own 2 non US made firearms that I use/carry regulary. The rest are all American.

It would be interesting to see what the average American purchases.

[Statistical]

14. American guns are very popular among American and around the world.

There is no need to ban foreign guns. Americans make very good guns, that provide good value. People buy them despite them costing more (some times significantly more).

You list was not even close to exaustive. Many major and minor American gun companies are missing.

[Bold Lib]

17. Speaking of "crap guns". . .

[Euromutt]

20. Oh, you're just advocating protectionism

I can be brief about that: protectionism benefits one small sector of the economy at the expense of everybody else. Protectionism allows manufacturers to get away with an inferior and/or overpriced product by wrapping it in the flag. From the perspective of the consumer, there's nothing good about it.

Protectionism gets even sillier when the only thing "American" about a product is the location of the head office. Most "American" cars are at least partially manufactured abroad; the Ford Crown Victoria, the car used by so many American police forces, is assembled in Canada, for example. By contrast, my "Japanese" Honda Element was designed in California and built in Ohio. Not that that's why I selected that particular car; I bought it because it met my needs.

I'm the same way about firearms: I'll buy what meets my requirements, and if it happens to be made in the US, that's an added bonus. My first three handguns were two and Smith & Wessons and a Ruger (I find it odd you left Smith & Wesson, the biggest American handgun manufacturer, off your list), but I own a Brazilian-made 1911 because it was one of the few models of 1911 that came with an ambidextrous safety (I'm left-handed) without costing more than a grand.

I've hated protectionism at least since I was in the Dutch armed forces, when the Ministry of Defense was locked in a constant battle with the Ministry of Economic Affairs, because the latter insisted that Defense buy from other European Union members states whenever possible (as if it was their budget!), even if was more expensive and not as good (or even completely unproven).

[AtheistCrusader]

25. All mine are American. Except the ones we 'confiscated from germans' that is.

And I inherited those, I have no particular interest in them, and am not sure what I'll do with them.

You missed a bunch of american manufacturers in your list. Some within driving distance of my home.


Please research your basic premise and get back to us.

[SteveM]

47. Yeah, yeah, and how many liberals buy foreign cars...

This is a lame argument whereby you can prove no one is a virgin.

"Is that a real poncho, or is that a Sears poncho?" -- Zappa

[proteus_lives]

29. More moon fail.

It's too bad you never actually have anything to say on the subject.

[hack89]

9. No - I also have a right to make my own choices

It is not a hard concept.

[bossy22]

12. ummm what about smith and wesson?

the premiere revolver makers in the world. What about colt, rock river arms, springfield armory, bushmaster??? Those are just the big ones, you also forgot all the smaller "custom shops" that operate such and Ed Browns, Wilson combat....

I might add that many large foreign companies manufacturer here in the U.S. for the our market- glock, CZ, H&K

I think it would be safe to say that the majority of americans who buy guns are buying american made guns

[PavePusher]

21. Sig..., Marlin, Winchester, a bunch of muzzle-loader companies, Sharps repro's...

The O.P. is fact-ose deficient.

So, no change there...


Edit: Your screen name is... accurate.

Edit #2: I meant the O.P.'s screen name. Oops.

[rusty_rebar]

15. I fail to see how...

...something being a right means it has to be created in the US. Where is the logic there?

Also, from a pragmatic point of view, if there is a problem with U.S gun manufacturers not getting enough market share (which I do not concede), then the obvious solution is for U.S gun manufacturers to create guns, with a feature set and price point that people want.

Kind of reminds me of the whole... "Buy American" campaign... That seems to miss the point, how about a "Build what Americans want" campaign?

[pipoman]

16. This OP reminds me...

I am supposed to call my crazy aunt who sits on the sofa and talks nonsense 24/7..

[Name removed]

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[Katya Mullethov]

19. Importing arms and ammo from China is illegal already

But seeing the amount of trouble you expended researching and composing your OP , I would say that small fact is completely irrelevant to your .....uh .....arguement .

[DissedByBush]

22. Additions to the list that I can think of right now

Harrington & Richardson
Thompson
Marlin
Springfield Armory
Magnum Research
Freedom Arms
Ithaca Gun Company

[GreenStormCloud]

24. Some models simply aren't made here.

My wife wants a Siaga shotgun in .410 bore. That is an AK-47 pattern semi-auto shotgun with a 30 round magazine. Only Siaga, a Russian company makes them.

[Statistical]

31. Ironically it is made in the US by RAA (Russian American Armory).

The import rules for semi-auto rifles & shotguns are really draconian.

As a result most AK pattern weapons for sale in US are actually made in the US.

[GreenStormCloud]

32. Thanks. That is nice to know. N/T

[Straw Man]

44. Saiga

Saiga rifles and shotguns are made in Russia. RAA is the importer. Yes, the import rules are draconian, but the Saigas conform to them.

[Statistical]

48. I stand corrected. Looks like you are right.

It is made by Izhevsk Mechanical Works in Russia and imported by Russian-American Armory Company.

I wonder how they get around the import ban. Maybe they got BATFE to classify it as having a "sporting" purpose.

[Straw Man]

49. Sporting Saigas

I think you've hit the nail on the head with "sporting purpose." Saigas don't have a pistol grip, which is one of the key evil features of so-called assault weapons. Also, standard mag capacity is < 10, no flash-hider, fixed rather than folding stock: It's the "civilized" AK variant.

[Endangered Specie]

27. You would be suprised to learn that US firearms importation laws are considerably strict

None of the following weapons can be imported into this country:

- Mouse/Pocket pistols (the Walther PPK being a famous example, they have to be modified as the PPK/S, Glock makes two .380 pistols, the weakest pistols it makes and neither can be imported).

- Assault Weapons, every semi-auto 'assault rifle' clone has to come into this country fitting a restricted capacity magazine, no pistol grip, no bayonet lug and no flash hider... Once here if you want them to be modified into 'assault weapon' form, you must modify it state side and add at American Parts such that only 10 of 20 counted parts are of foreign manufacture. More commonly, they are built from parts kits and the recievers are American made and assembled here. Your Typical semiautomatic AK clone has 5-6 American parts and numerous American companies exist to make stuff for these AK clones.

- A large number of chinese and russian weapons, available in gun-restrictive Canada, are not allowed here anymore.

- Deactivated full auto military weapons, which can, for the most part, be bought in every European country!

[proteus_lives]

28. Why did you leave out all the U.S. manufacturers?

It's dishonest, don't you think?

[rrneck]

30. Did you type that on a computer made in Japan or China? nt

[aikoaiko]

33. Actually, there is some protectionism which prevents new Chinese arms from being imported/sold

And there are some other laws which prevent arms from being imported if they are not deemed to be for sporting purposes.

[ManiacJoe]

34. Does Beretta's factory in Maryland not count?

:shrug:

[Euromutt]

37. Or Glock's in Georgia, Heckler & Koch's in Virginia, FN's in South Carolina...

If you want to sell almost anything to any level of American government, it had better provide jobs for Americans (the only exception that springs to mind is the Toyota Prius, which some west coast state governments have purchased). Hence the presence of manufacturing plants in the continental U.S. for any at least the assembly of any firearm sold to an American government agency. Not necessarily (completely) from American-made parts, but definitely assembled in the United States.

Any Glock carried by an American police officer, a Beretta M9 carried by an American serviceman, an HK P2000 carried by a DHS ICE officer, an FN M240 machine gun mounted on a Humvee, all made in the U.S.A.

[Glassunion]

35. You're right!

We should take it a step further. The 1st amendment is a right also. I demand that all of our news be American. 24/7, I don't give a shit what else is going on in the world. If it ain't in America... It ain't news... I'm boycotting the BBC. (damn I love that channel)

Yeehaw!

[benEzra]

39. WTF? You only listed a small fraction of U.S. gun manufacturers...

including the most popular.

Ever heard of, you know, Smith & Wesson, in Massachusetts? Colt? Rock River Arms? Bushmaster? DPMS? Barrett? Wilson? Kahr? Kel-Tec? There are dozens more U.S. manufacturers, maybe hundreds more. And FWIW, few if any U.S.-market guns are made in China.

And to the broader point, do you consider the First Amendment to be a right? If so, do you think books not published in the USA should be banned?

:wtf:

[Taitertots]

40. Oh, the intentional ignorance is hilarious

Don't let having no idea what you are talking about stop you.

[X_Digger]

41. It never has, why should it start now? n/t

[gorfle]

42. Do you insist that your computer is made in the USA?

Free speech is a right. Do you insist that your computer or telephone or fax machine is made in the USA? Because odds are they aren't.

[Recursion]

43. Ummm... Colt? Springfield?

You left out two of the most popular manufacturers.

[friendly_iconoclast]

45. Kicking, as this thread is hilarious.

Probably not in the way the OP intended, however...

[guardian]

50. non sequitur

The OP's premise is illogical.